posted September 24, 2014 07:34 PM            

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Threats to our freedoms come from ALL directions. Careful you aren't too busy looking at one sector, you'll miss the rest

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posted September 24, 2014 07:41 PM            

Check out the map of the vast land in the Middle east which is Arab. Israel is the size of a stand of hair.

Is there a single person here who would parachute into another country in the Middle east.

If so, which one

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posted September 24, 2014 07:44 PM            

Let's do this, Juni.

You find the STATISTICS for threats, world wide, and see from which sector they arise.

If you make a statement like that, I would ask you to back it up with facts, please.

If you don't care to, I will be happy to.

I mean, there has to be some semblance of truth in here lol

Thanks

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posted September 24, 2014 08:00 PM            

and all who would remove your rights for whatever reason

CURRENTLY the OBVIOUS threat is from extremist Islam. However if you only worry about that, you will be lost just as if you gave in to it without a whimper.

As Bill Maher pointed out the other day Americans are in a tizzy about ISIS/L but they are complacent about Monsanto and other threats much closer to home.

Surely you can see this? The world is about more than what you think the Bible says.

There are similar signs that have been similarly dealt with re Muslims in other neighborhoods where their presence is strong.

posted September 24, 2014 08:03 PM            

Cata
Maybe 5% of the threats(tops) come from these obscure places.

95% come from one single sector, so a person is beyond the point of absurdity to look at the 5% and obfuscate the 95%

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posted September 24, 2014 08:05 PM            

I am not really here to talk to you or Juni. It is clear where you both stand.

I am here to educate the people who read but do not talk but PLEASE don't make ridiculous statements if you don't want me to chime in.

You know how to make me go away, tell the truth

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posted September 24, 2014 08:10 PM            

Do you prefer the frying pan or the fire?

posted September 24, 2014 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Just because it is not to your liking does not make it any less truth. Your whereabouts are your choice.. But

Do you prefer the frying pan or the fire?

Personally I choose neither.

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Please don't spin. I will have to come in and tell people it is spin.

If you want me to go away, don't insult Israel/Jews and don't say ridiculous statements such as the 5% of threats come by orange mushrooms in brown soil with white socks and black shoes, so we should focus on them while 95% of threats come from one sector we should not focus on.

I only came back because the talk of Jews/Israel was so despicably vile I could not stay away.

If you and the people like you, do both of these things, I will be happy not to be here any more!

So, if you want to get rid of me, do the above. Thank you!

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posted September 24, 2014 09:25 PM            

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KThlYHfIVa8

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posted September 25, 2014 08:29 AM            

Jokes apart, the OP is important. Moderate Muslims must speak up and not allow extremist voices to dominate the political discourse in secular countries. Simple thing is that no Islamic Syllabus should be taught in Secular Schools, for religion has to be confined to the homes in any modern civilization.

If anybody tries to preach Islam, ask the uncomfortable questions to them. Prove to them that there is no need to convert to Islam and that you are happy with your faith. Thus, moderate non-Muslims also have to speak up and not silently allow negative extremism to take root.
I can silence an extremist in minutes with simple questions like: Why is there no Arab Chess Champion? How many Nobel Prizes have been won by Muslim Extremists?
How many inventions have been done by people who pray 5 times a day? Why does China get more medals than all Arab States put together in say the Asian Games? Why is Quran being printed in paper invented in Europe? Why has no Arab Country developed a Satellite? How can a self respecting Muslim use a weapon developed by a Western country?

But all of this can happen quickly only after every single Western Nation leaves the Middle East. Stop the interference and half the problem will be solved. To oppose extremist Islam while invading their countries of origin is nothing short of hypocrisy.

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posted September 25, 2014 08:34 AM            

I can't speak to this but you gave me the parachute analogy a few years ago

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posted September 25, 2014 08:38 AM            

I think that we can educate people on the personal level, only, but it is a behemoth and cannot be stopped until much later when it will be stopped by a greater spiritual force i.e God.

However, in the interim, there will be terrible, terrible things to come on scales of which we have not seen, to date.

Where are all those planes that ISIS stole from Libya, for one example?

Are they planning a 911 operation with 7 planes going into various cities?

Could the planes have nuclear material on them?

These are very real questions to ask based on real world situations we have known, to date.

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posted September 25, 2014 08:45 AM            

This is my ONLY problem with GU. The Moderate Muslims will not speak up. They will not call right from wrong. They will side with the Muslim terrorists by trying to make Muslim terrorism valid for inane reasons like Israel exists or the terrorists had a bad childhood( actually said by a GU member)

They will say beheading the journalist is morally equivalent to the US fighting for it's interests which is totally, totally crazy to me and scary crazy.

You are totally sane and I would have no arguments with you, other than we have spiritual differences but politically speaking, we agree.

Why are you so rare?

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posted September 25, 2014 10:56 AM            

You might also be interested in the sex slave business arrangements in Dubai.

Dubai to charge Austrian woman victim for illegal sex

An Austrian tourist who claimed she was raped by a policeman's son in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates has been told that she is facing jail herself - for having sex outside of marriage.

The 24-year-old woman reported the rape to local police expecting that they would take action against the accused, and instead found herself facing charges.

And even more amazing she claims that she was told by one of the policeman that she complained to that she could escape charges if she were prepared to marry the man that she alleged had raped her in a car during an attack on December 2nd, which is a public holiday in Dubai.

She had been in the region with friends on holiday and accepted an offer by the man to drive her home. But once they had walked into an underground car park underneath a five-star hotel the man, from Yemen, had raped her, she claims.

The man then tried to drive the woman away from the hotel but she managed to jump out of the car screaming for help – where other guests helped her and the police were called.

As well as facing charges of sex outside marriage it is also alleged that she had been drinking. Both actions are illegal in United Arab Emirate State.

According to Austrian media the man initially claimed that the woman had offered him sex because she was drunk, and then later claimed that she was a prostitute who had demanded money for sex – something she also denies.

The Austrian Embassy refused to comment but did confirm reports about rape allegations on a Austrian tourist.

The investigations are continuing and the woman is not at this time being held in custody.

CCTV footage from the garage has reportedly been handed to the police for analysis.

Just last year a young Norwegian interior designer Marte Deborah Dalelv was sentenced to 16 months in prison after suffering a similar fate and being raped and convicted of sex outside marriage.

Interestingly both the latest case involving the Austrian woman and the earlier case involving the Norwegian woman had both involved in making complaints at the same police station in the in Bur area of Dubai.

The 24-year-old Norwegian was convicted and sentenced on charges of having unlawful sex, making a false statement and illegal consumption of alcohol.

But after international protests she was pardoned and released. The man was also freed.

In the United Arab Emirates, as in some other countries using Islamic law, a rape conviction can require either a confession, or the testimony of four adult male witnesses.

http://austriantimes.at/news/General_News/2014-01-21/50360/Dubai_to_charge_Austrian_women_victim_for_illegal_sex

posted September 25, 2014 10:59 AM            

You are amazing but Jwhop is right here

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posted September 27, 2014 07:08 AM            

I can write a thesis on the sex crimes of Jews, Christians, Hindus and Arabs committed in the past and present. For now, let me correct the propagated opinion that Jews/Israel are sinless and only Arabs/Muslims are sinners.

Recently, a Jewish group was convicted of forming a sex cult from within Israel.
Proof: http://www.neonnettle.com/news/1066--messianic-sex-cult-uncovered-by-israeli-police
"Goel Ratzon" does not sound like an Arab name to me. And if one has been caught after ages, a hundred must still be around.

A lot has been documented about "White Slavery" by organized gangs where East European Christian women are trafficked into not just Arab countries but into the supposedly Democratic/Pure/Sinless Israel. http://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-slaves-in-israel-global-study-finds/

Does that mean all Israelis condone forced prostitution and sex crimes? Is it right to hate Israel because of a few Jewish Perverts?

The Porn and Sex Industry has been controlled for decades by Jewish Americans Tens of Thousands of women were ruined. Does that make Judaism or America culpable?
Read about Reuben Sturman, Al Goldstein,Seth Warshavasky, Michael Lucas, Steve Hirsch etc. All are Jews. Their "noble work" may have wrecked countless marriages and could have perverted millions of boys.
Is it the fault of Judaism?

Every religion, race or nation has a minority who commit atrocious crimes, that does not give anyone the right to pass judgment on millions and billions. Only one with a mind like Hitler would hate Muslims, Arabs and Arab Countries for the crimes of a few.

I would still prefer a safe parachute into Dubai. A beautiful, colorful, and soulful country where I saw dozens of women walk safely in the night after midnight wearing western clothes. I remember being stuck with my kids late in the night in the middle of nowhere there, a cab was delayed and a good Samaritan came to the rescue. That is the quality and class of the people there. A stadium full of expat non-Muslim Indians erupted in joy when the Sultan came for a few minutes to catch up with cricket. That shows the genuine good intentions of the leadership. Which is why so many Americans and Europeans gobble up property there and live a jolly good life there in matchless Deira and Jumeirah.

I feel sorry for anyone who chooses to hate Dubai just because of stubborn hatred of Arabs and Muslims. It is as ridiculous as hating Jews and Israel because of a few belligerents in the leadership.

BTW, if Israel would not shoot down parachutes, then maybe I would parachute there too.

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posted September 27, 2014 07:17 AM            

They will say beheading the journalist is morally equivalent to the US fighting for it's interests which is totally, totally crazy to me and scary crazy.

You are totally sane and I would have no arguments with you, other than we have spiritual differences but politically speaking, we agree.

Why are you so rare?
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I am not rare, I can vouch for a majority who do oppose and speak up against the terrorist acts. Nobody in the Muslim Community that I know of condoned the beheadings, we are all disgusted.

What I fail to understand is how you could make the assumption that we are so rare?
We do not own the media, nobody asks for our opinion and if we give it, we have no guarantee that they will market our secular opinion.

Fatwas have been passed by Islamic Clerics against the ISIL, what can we do if the news is not brought to you by your media? A woman fighter pilot from Dubai took part in the bombings against
ISIL, was it broadcast in your media?
100s of Kurdish Muslim Women are fighting ISIL, was it shown on Fox News?

The bottom line is that prejudice has to be completely erased before coming to a conclusion. If you already make up your mind that Moderate Muslims are not speaking up, then you will reject any evidence to the contrary. That is how the Reticular Cortex of the brain is wired.

posted September 27, 2014 07:18 AM            

I don't agree with the tenor of your above post but you are a good dude and I respect you as a person.

I just can't take the blind hatred of Jews/Israel such that it will result in their DESTRUCTION.

Someone like you would never do that and for that, I consider you a friend.

I never said Jews were sinless. I never said Jews did all good things.

I am saying that JEWS DESERVE TO EXIST AND NOT BE EXTERMINATED In ANOTHER HOLOCAUST.

The people who do not think Israel should exist want them to be exterminated in a very simple step of logic because much of the world wants to do just that and Israel is their only means of safe escape.

That is quite different

What I fail to understand is how you could make the assumption that we are so rare?

I have NEVER come across a Muslim like you. That is why I say it is rare and I have had many, many, many interactions.

You think Israel should exist. You respect Jews. You think we should have our land so we are not exterminated.

I have never seen this in Muslims I have interacted with, ever. You are the first

To add a simple addendum. If a person does not want Israel to exist as a safe haven for Jews amidst all the obvious worldwide hatred to Jews, how could a Jewish person not despise them? Would you agree to this, IQ?

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posted September 27, 2014 08:42 AM            

Interesting ,if one is an independent thinker, stands strong for issues that are not biased, prejudiced or motivated by an agenda, one becomes a "hater".

I clearly posted to the lovely Daydreamer and I post to the fearful here and answer their spin and hate speech.

I know it won`t raise the bar and stop the trash talk spin but a little "peaceful majority" is needed.

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Daydreamer, You do indeed have one fact correct... juniperb does fear.

She fears the ignorance of those extremists who hide behind God/Allah to commit the slaughter of people and civilizations.

They come in many disguises:

Christian extremists...

Muslim extremists...

Jewish extremists....
and so forth.

I do not make a distinction between them. To me, an extremist ( in this specific discussion), is an ignorant Human Being who puts the face of God/Allah and their Holy Texts on their destructive agenda.

It is not the Christian, Jew or Muslim Faith that I fear but the extremest who perverts their said Faith.

That is MY Belief.

Does that provide clarity?

juniperb

posted September 27, 2014 08:48 AM            

Sorry, Juni. You can't spin it!

IQ respects Israel and wants her to exist. That is the difference between a Jew hater and a person who respects Jews.

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posted September 27, 2014 09:00 AM            

Do you know how it feels to be me in this Forum for 6 long years when you keep trying to spin that you respect Jews but don't think Israel should exist?

Do you know how that feels to a Jew??????????????????????????

You sure loved that "Righteous Jew" who wanted to destroy Israel.

That Jew is like the black person who yearns to be a slave because slaves got free food and housing.

Why don't you try that spin with a black person and see how far you get?

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posted September 27, 2014 11:24 AM            

As on several occasions in astrological threads, when facts that don't suit you are presented, you shoot the messenger. YOU are the Hater, not the only one, but you ally yourself with the other haBitual hater here thinking he gives you strength ... he just makes you look belligerent like himself.

You don't even believe there are Jews unlike you out here and in Israel. You call millions of them around the world non-existent.

The main problem is you appear not able to grasp subtlety . Everything is black or white. Poor people are lazy. Muslims are terrorists. Jews are victims.

Grow up please. At least try to hear what others are saying. You are being jerked around by your own ignorance and fear. And your vendetta is frankly obvious.

This is not just about Israel but anyone - usually females - who "contradict" you. Sorry but you don't control us all. Differing opinions are not "spin" but attempts to broaden the picture.

I invite you to step outside the prison of predetermined bias and learn from those who are not so personally attached to YOUR fears.

Your Dejaneira/Pluto/Israel conj is running you. An unconscious Pluto is a dangerous thing. More for you than anyone else