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Topic: How does the peaceful majority speak up ?
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PlutoSurvivor
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posted September 08, 2014 07:54 PM
  
I often wondered how does the peaceful majority speak up without fear of further disrupting the peace ? How can one really make a difference?Recent email just received. Any comments.
"A German's View on Islam - worth reading. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.
A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.
'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.’
‘My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'
‘We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.’
‘The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.’
‘The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.’
‘The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
‘History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.’
‘Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.’
‘Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa , too, while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?). The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.’
‘In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation's shores.’
‘In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.’
‘As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts - the fanatics who threaten our way of life.’
Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.
Extend yourself a bit and send this on. Let us hope that thousands world-wide read this, think about it, and send it on before it's too late, and we are silenced because we were silent
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Ami Anne
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posted September 08, 2014 08:00 PM
Wonderful post. Thank you  ------------------
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Catalina
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posted September 08, 2014 11:39 PM
What are your thoughts, Pluto, on why the fundie islamists are so overactive at this point? And who considers them a joke?And what would you suggest should be done about it? Do you think Amish and Hasidim should be allowed to follow their consciences within countries who abide by different p rinciples? What about the current trend if "religious objection" to the Healthcare act? No one considers jihadist movements a joke but what provoked them do you think? And do you think bombing other countries who dont adhere to our ideals is less vicious than beheading? Its all very well to say speak up...where, do you think, this should be realized? IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted September 09, 2014 01:29 AM
But most of all what makes you think peaceloving Muslims dont speak up? What think you of Turkey?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 09, 2014 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
But most of all what makes you think peaceloving Muslims dont speak up? What think you of Turkey?
Very, very,very rare 
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Ami Anne
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posted September 09, 2014 09:22 AM
PSYOU just have to speak up. It does not matter if the majority does because they WON'T. They are either brainwashed, afraid or mind numbed with TV etc People are sheep, to a large degree. It is inherent in human nature and must be fought by the very few, like me, who will stand up. There are others like Jwhop, as you can see on here, but it is very, very, very rare LOL ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted September 09, 2014 09:43 AM
You just have to worry about your little corner of the world, PS, and try to educate that.Here is a song for you:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x11NA63gLDM ------------------
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Catalina
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posted September 09, 2014 10:45 AM
Where oh where did the OP go?IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted September 09, 2014 11:31 AM
The german industrialist story is true enough but its a social media construct. Said industrialist was one of many whose innate anti-Semitism made the early Nazi platform attractive to these people.(who would have to be about 110+ to tell said story) One such, Fritz (sic) Thyssen, is very famous. When he began to realize whav he'd got into, he ceased his generous Support and broke with the Nazis, who put him in a camp. After the war he spent time in a US prison. Shunning and mistrust of/by a group viewed as "other" by the general populace has a way of turning into scapegoating. As we see increasingly happening to Muslims today. Considering the propaganda slurring all Muslims is it any wonder thry band togethe r and exclude others? Which makes radicalisation thst much easier. So in speaking up we need to be specific about what is after all a minority of their population ... otherwise those moderates will be PUSHED into the radical camp. As has been said here by more than one muslim member. Standing up does not include ghettoizing and slaughtering them like so many penned livestock. I hope PS will answer or cobsider some of my questions IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted September 09, 2014 05:26 PM
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PlutoSurvivor
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posted September 09, 2014 07:41 PM
Ami, thank you for your posts. That song brought me to a wonderful place. Back at you with the live version:
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PlutoSurvivor
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posted September 09, 2014 07:43 PM
Cat, I do have a response to your comments. Thank you for writing. IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor
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posted September 09, 2014 08:31 PM
I'm not an expert in politics but I believe that foreigners should respect the laws of the countries they enter. America is allowing foreigners to come in and tell us how to live. Amish and other cloistered religious groups do not do this. They live their lives quietly. Muslims do impose on our freedoms and if we interfere with them by not allowing their laws to prevail over us we become infidels. Now in this country, because of guilt after 911 and Bush's personal war we are allowing ourselves to be pushed out of our own country. American freedoms are being taken away. This happened in Belgium. Islamic religion put everyone else out and now they prevail by forcing everyone to follow their law. Bombing vs. beheading...
We should have never been there. These countries have been fighting for 1000s of years. US has done terrible things all because of the big boys with the big toys. There was never a threat to the US at the time. Now we open up and allow our own freedoms to be taken away.
How does an American stand up as an American? As I said I am not an expert on politics but I believe the Germans did not wake up in time enough to right the wrongs that were being allowed. This pattern is repeating. Do you think respect of a countries laws should be one sided? Say the door to my house is open and I invite you in, and you remove all the furniture from my house because you prefer to sit on the floor. Is this position fair. This is an analogy to what is happening with the Muslim minority sects forcing their ways on others. I say "don't tell me how to live" An example of Muslim imposing their laws...
I have a family member who owns and operates a private school for children. Many foreigners attend this highly reputable institution. There has always been an open sharing of various world religions for educational purposes and students and their parents enlighten all the students with their traditions and explanation of religious beliefs. Because this school is non discriminatory Muslim students also attend. Now, the Muslim students' parents are preaching abolishment of all other religious awareness lessons and insisting that religious traditions commonly secular to our American culture be banned such as celebrating gift making and giving at Christmas time, yet they expect all of their religious traditions to be included in the curriculum. This is the same as opening our door and welcoming someone in who tells us how to live. How can Americans fairly honor and teach diversified cultural and religious beliefs without the threat of being destroyed by those whom we respect yet do not respect us? This is my main question. What does one do to prevent religious radicals from forcing their ways on everyone before its too late. Wake up America. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 09, 2014 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
I'm not an expert in politics but I believe that foreigners should respect the laws of the countries they enter. America is allowing foreigners to come in and tell us how to live. Amish and other cloistered religious groups do not do this. They live their lives quietly. Muslims do impose on our freedoms and if we interfere with them by not allowing their laws to prevail over us we become infidels. Now in this country, because of guilt after 911 and Bush's personal war we are allowing ourselves to be pushed out of our own country. American freedoms are being taken away. This happened in Belgium. Islamic religion put everyone else out and now they prevail by forcing everyone to follow their law. Bombing vs. beheading...
We should have never been there. These countries have been fighting for 1000s of years. US has done terrible things all because of the big boys with the big toys. There was never a threat to the US at the time. Now we open up and allow our own freedoms to be taken away.
How does an American stand up as an American? As I said I am not an expert on politics but I believe the Germans did not wake up in time enough to right the wrongs that were being allowed. This pattern is repeating. Do you think respect of a countries laws should be one sided? Say the door to my house is open and I invite you in, and you remove all the furniture from my house because you prefer to sit on the floor. Is this position fair. This is an analogy to what is happening with the Muslim minority sects forcing their ways on others. I say "don't tell me how to live" An example of Muslim imposing their laws...
I have a family member who owns and operates a private school for children. Many foreigners attend this highly reputable institution. There has always been an open sharing of various world religions for educational purposes and students and their parents enlighten all the students with their traditions and explanation of religious beliefs. Because this school is non discriminatory Muslim students also attend. Now, the Muslim students' parents are preaching abolishment of all other religious awareness lessons and insisting that religious traditions commonly secular to our American culture be banned such as celebrating gift making and giving at Christmas time, yet they expect all of their religious traditions to be included in the curriculum. This is the same as opening our door and welcoming someone in who tells us how to live. How can Americans fairly honor and teach diversified cultural and religious beliefs without the threat of being destroyed by those whom we respect yet do not respect us? This is my main question. What does one do to prevent religious radicals from forcing their ways on everyone before its too late. Wake up America.
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Catalina
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posted September 09, 2014 08:54 PM
And is the school conceding all the others' rights to the few? That is the point for standing up. I dont agree w people who say their dress codes should be banned but yes of course it is for each person/body to decide step by step what they'll put up withFor what its worth I have similar objections to Christians who insist this is a christian country and inserting God into the Pledge, etc. If you want religion in school go to a religious school of your choice. I also agree that we should not be going into other countries .. our way not only doesn't work for everyone, but our interference creates resistance which is only growing into radical rebellion. There are no such cave ins going on in the school districts I know. My grandparents came here as Jews and remained firmly so, but they also became Americans in many ways. My PTSD grandmother was more rigid t han Grampa...but she learned to cook and speak and be an American. Many millions have done the same. More in a few.... IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 09, 2014 09:11 PM
Stay strong, PS. You will be tested in here. It builds muscle.
PS I am lifting about a 200 pound barbell. My arms look good 
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Catalina
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posted September 09, 2014 09:14 PM
Back later, dinner and toddlers about lolIP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 09, 2014 09:44 PM
Song for PS( and me) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvEnIkz82A0 ------------------
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posted September 09, 2014 11:17 PM
Anyway, the line between allowing self expression and kowtowing can be very thin sometimes. It is for each of us to speak up when we see the line being crossed, but as you point out, these other countries have issues and ways we dont understand and the idea that America has to save everyone for democracy it's meddleSome, overbearing and dangerous.What I also find dangerous is the atmosphere of zealousrighteousness and insulting behaviour/talk towards muslims as a whole which is defended with cries of "traitor" etc when peaceful people object to demonizing all Muslims because the few are going overboard. As in Germany, the humane and brave behaviour of moderate people is needed and should be encouraged in moderate muslims, which isn't aided by treating them with hatred. There is more anti- muslim prejudice in this country than anti-semtism and it only encourages them to seek protection from those we really must defeat if you see what I am getting at. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2014 07:07 AM
CataYou are a genius at the rules of Anti debate. You obfuscate and blur and when that doesn't work, you throw mud ------------------
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posted September 10, 2014 10:05 AM
What are you talking about Ami? No mud and not much debate here. PS and I are largely in agreement here it seems to me. GU doesn't have to be about arguments and name calling you know  IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor
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posted September 10, 2014 11:28 AM
Cat, I am observing that you seem to have the same mentality as those in Germany who did not wake up in time. I guess one holocost is not good enough. There will be a holocost in America this time including all Americans, which involves Jews again. A holocost run by Muslims. This is a pattern where the signs are visible.
As a Jew you should understand. We will all be infidels to the ruling Muslims. This is not to be taken lightly. It is already too late. Not all Germans were like Hitler. Lines are being crossed NOW. Radical Muslims already are crossing lines. I am not prejudiced against all Muslims. My next door neighbors are loving peaceful immigrant Muslims who never force their culture on me or in our neighborhood. They are always happy to answer questions about their religion. Fortunately, they do not attend services at local Islamic center so there is a separation from potential evils and brainwashing. I myself have participated at Islamic Center during interfaith awareness festivals and challenged the attitude of the radicals and there was no satisfying response from the leaders to show disassociation from radical sects. This surprised me but reaffirmed how categorizing one religion can involve many many peaceful minorities into following like cattle the introduction and sustaining of evil ways. Our county and its constitution involve God, from the very beginning, as it is imbedded in our culture. God to us is not Allah to Muslims. And if we don't worship Allah we will be killed. How ready are you to worship Allah?
This is the same thing happening and my German and Jewish friends discuss this with me, because they lived it. I guess America needs a reality check, as do you. This all happened because we allowed it. Your ideas keep us dormant. It's ok to defend and there is a time to defend, but it must come from love. Hitler did not say "let's merge religions" he did not only cross boundaries of civil and human rights liberties but commited the great of genecide in the entire history of the world. Your ideals are nice but come talk after you are forced to become Muslim. When a radical or brainwashed follower who is Muslim knocks on your door and asks you if you are Muslin and you say no I'm Jewish do you think he's going to look at you and say oh dear I understand you can still stay Jewish. Our entire country is being terrorized. This is the reality. Did Hitler kill people right away? No, he gathered them first so they could not retaliate. There were more Jews than Germans to fight back. even Germans were killed, other races, and the goal was to have pure race, not just same religion. This is not about religion it is about being human and nobody knows how to do that because we are caught up in an illusion. My everyday prayer is "dear God, help me not to fall in love with my illusions" I agree with you about us not interfering in other countries' wars. That comment you made was valid. My question stands, how can this be reversed? Can Americans wake up from their dream of being in the illusion of false love protecting something that does not exist? My answer is "wake up" !!! Peaceful people do not have to be defended. Peaceful Individuals. Peaceful Muslims, peaceful Jews, peaceful Catholics, etc. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2014 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
What are you talking about Ami? No mud and not much debate here. PS and I are largely in agreement here it seems to me. GU doesn't have to be about arguments and name calling you know
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posted September 10, 2014 12:17 PM
Cat, I am observing that you seem to have the same mentality as those in Germany who did not wake up in time. I guess one holocost is not good enough. There will be a holocost in America this time including all Americans, which involves Jews again. A holocost run by Muslims. This is a pattern where the signs are visible.
As a Jew you should understand. We will all be infidels to the ruling Muslims. I am dying with joy  ------------------
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Catalina
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posted September 10, 2014 12:17 PM
Not sure how you came to those conclusions from what I said. No school I ran would abide by the wishes of a minority to force the majority to mimic them. Unless the school is religiously oriented no one's religion should be practiced there. As I see it, the whole country is not being terrorized. Where I am muslims may dress as they like but they do not cow the schools. I dont know where you live but I was raised on the phrase "the price of freedom is vigilance" and I have my eyes open. Perhaps you should be lobbying your relative to stand up for their school. As I said, I have little argument with you. Nor am I sitting complacent while sharia law is accepted in my govt. Nor will I live in fear and loathing. I am glad you get on with your muslim neighbours but many muslims are being treated very badly by people who see them as all the same as IS. This is not okay either. As to the Christianity of the Constitution it is purposely worded as impartially as people raised in an admittedly christian environment could conceive. Note the wording of the 1797 treaty of Tripoli which DOES mention Christianity specifically...as ABSENT from our national establishment...
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