posted February 05, 2016 10:21 PM            

Fascinating analysis above. So, you think America will be disappointed by the win? Ugh I hope it's not Hillary. Why can't they just pick a sensible, intelligent, moderate person for once? I feel like anyone would be better than her, she just reeks of corruption, it's sickening.

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Or, it could mean that a large number of people are going to be unhappy on January 20th, inauguration day. But, even without astrology, it's an easy prediction to make.

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LOL, sad but true.

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(I'm seeing that some of Rand Paul supporters and some Republicans are now supporting Sanders.)

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Yes....I think some Ron Paul supporters have been supporting Sanders over Rand all along. I'm one of them, though I'm not a Sanders expert, I've seen him being virtuous and brilliant enough times. And as articulate as Rand is, I've seen him being squirrely enough times as well. Is squirrely a word? I mean kinda frantic and shady, ducking around and hard to pinpoint his whereabouts, ideology-wise.

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Now, in the Sibley chart, transiting Saturn is in the 1H. Both transiting Saturn and Uranus sextile the U.S. Moon.

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Hmm, moon = Saturn/Uranus midpoint?

My husband and I both have that natally...does this mean, we'll get a President we like?

Hmm, or does this mean, Hillary represents the moon, and she's in the middle, between the past/conservatives (Saturn) and future/progressives (Uranus)?

I don't know about the Sibley chart or the Gemini ASC chart, so I have nothing really to stand on here...just wondering aloud.

Thanks again!

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posted February 06, 2016 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Mrs. C will get it.

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posted February 06, 2016 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
So, you think America will be disappointed by the win?

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I think whether it's Hillary, Sanders, or a Republican, large numbers of people are going to be unhappy. There are significant divisions within both major parties, which are being reflected by the candidates and in the electorate.

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Hmm, moon = Saturn/Uranus midpoint?

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Not quite, the orbs are too wide.

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My husband and I both have that natally...does this mean, we'll get a President we like?

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You're a delight, Faith. I still say, it's up to us to demand the government we want. Will it be this election, I don't know. Is it possible? I believe it is, absolutely.

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Hmm, or does this mean, Hillary represents the moon, and she's in the middle, between the past/conservatives (Saturn) and future/progressives (Uranus)?

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In Mundane Astrology, the Moon represents the people or the masses, so I look at it as an indicator of public opinion/mood in this election. The 1H represents the nation as a whole and its people. So, it's also key. Both Uranus and Saturn are aspecting the Moon, so they are equally exerting influence on the collective psyche.

We're seeing a tremendous groundswell toward radical transformation of our politics (Uranus), and at the same time, an enormous push back from the forces that want to maintain the status quo and those who support it (Saturn). As an example of how this is playing out right now: Clinton has an army on the ground in New Hampshire against Sanders doing whatever it takes to squelch this insurgency as we speak.

So, this isn't clear cut, Saturn prevailing over Uranus, or visa versa. It's similar to having Saturn and Uranus in major aspect in an individual's chart. If someone has Saturn in major aspect to Uranus, they are meant to synthesize these two archetypes in some way. Same goes for us collectively.

Both Beethoven and a more modern example, Bob Dylan, have these planets in major aspect. They both began within a tradition - Beethoven, classical music, Dylan, folk music. Both of them broke away from their respective traditions and forged a new path. But, Saturn provided the springboard for that creative leap forward.

Sanders has a Saturn-Uranus conjunction, so it's not surprising that he's appearing on the national stage at this moment in our country's history, when we need to take a creative leap forward.

Nancy at Starlight News is predicting a Clinton win based on a Jupiter station to her Moon, but she's going with an unreliable TOB. I'll have to see more evidence before I'm convinced. Here's the link:

http://starlightnews.com/wordpress/2015/10/discussion-thread-9/

posted February 07, 2016 03:34 AM            

The latest ARG and UMass/7News tracking polls show Trump still in the lead followed by Rubio, and Ted Cruz, even though Trump did not participate in the last debate and came in second in Iowa.

The New Moon chart does not impact his.

posted February 07, 2016 08:51 AM            

per Carl Bernstein, who was interviewed on CNN today. He indicated her obfuscation over the speech transcripts could be as damaging to her as the tapes that brought down Nixon. Alarm in the White House is very high about the way Clinton is conducting her campaign.

posted February 08, 2016 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
On State of the union with Jake Tapper today , Sanders interview came across honest and with integrity.
I sincerely hope he walks away with the nomination.
I have been disappointed they (Dems) made the Flint water crisis a political issue. They will be in Flint Mi and I may try to go to get an inside look at their reasoning.

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posted February 08, 2016 06:57 PM            

Feminist, Gloria Steinem, and former Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, have publicly derided young female supporters of Bernie Sanders, who overwhelmingly support him over Clinton. Steinem claims that young women who support Sanders is because "that's where the boys are." Albright, who introduced Clinton at an event in New Hampshire recently, said that "there's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other."

The Clinton campaign obviously wants to peel away young women supporters away from Sanders. That's understandable. But to do so by bullying and shaming them strikes me as both lacking good judgment and ineffective. These kinds of statements support my take that the overriding desire to have a first female president doesn't have to do with smarts, it's visceral.

Here's the breakdown of women voters in the Iowa Caucus, according to age group:

17-29: Sanders 84%, Clinton 14%
30-44: Sanders 58%, Clinton 37%
45-64" Clinton 58%, Sanders 35%
65 and over: Clinton 69%, Sanders 26%

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/primaries/IA?cid =sm_tw&hootPostID=aced171aa66db90d70f3c07adf386664

Steinem has since apologized. The comments appear to be having no effect or possibly backfiring judging by the backlash online among women.

According to tracking poll by UMass Lowell/7News, Sanders leads Clinton among female Democrats in New Hampshire: 56% to 40%. In a match up with Republicans Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, Sanders leads by 5 points, but loses to Marco Rubio.

[URL=http://commondreams.org/news/2016/02/08/eve-nh-sanders-wins-women-voters-trounces-gop]http://commondreams.org/news/2016/02/08/eve-nh-sanders-wins-women-voters-trounces-gop[/UR L]

posted February 08, 2016 08:22 PM            

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Feminist, Gloria Steinem, and former Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, have publicly derided young female supporters of Bernie Sanders, who overwhelming support him over Clinton. Steinem claims that young women who support Sanders is because "that's where the boys are." Albright, who introduced Clinton at an event in New Hampshire recently, said that "there's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other."

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I was astounded when I heard that by both women.
Disgusting and undermining all the young ladies who`s futures are at stake.
Maybe those type of tactics will cinch Sanders nom over clinton.

posted February 09, 2016 01:18 AM            

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I was astounded when I heard that by both women.

Disgusting and undermining all the young ladies who`s futures are at stake.

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Ironic, isn't it, that sexism in 2016 is coming from...2nd wave feminists.

posted February 09, 2016 01:24 AM            

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O50BCRCeKfU

The "Bernie Bros" accusation of sexism against male Sanders' supporters is a similar tactic used by Clinton in the 2008 campaign against Obama and his supporters.

posted February 09, 2016 01:46 AM            

This is an excerpt from Celeste Teal's "Lunar Nodes," speaking of this transit:

"Mars conjunct South Node: Things are not going your way. There may be confrontations or differences of opinion and someone is asking you to make compromises that annoy you. Great effort is required to control impatience, aggression, and anger. Encounters tend to be difficult and sap your energy. Others need you to take action on their behalf and you can spread yourself thin. You may be dealing with unsatisfactory results of past actions and decisions. Health issues may surface..."

posted February 10, 2016 03:28 AM            

stunning pic of Hillary smiling radiantly
the caption?

posted February 10, 2016 09:41 PM            

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Wow, Sanders soundly "trumped" Clinton in NH! He crushed her.

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He did. The final tally was 60% Sanders, 38% Clinton or by 22%, the largest margin by a non-incumbent candidate since John Kennedy in 1960! There's no way the Clinton campaign can spin NH as a win.

Trump still ahead of the pack.

posted February 10, 2016 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
When Bill was running for and standing as president many people considered Hillary to be his best asset. Unfortunately he is an easy target for a lot of people and a lot of reasons.and may be her greatest liability
.today i saw a great meme. .

stunning pic of Hillary smiling radiantly
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I DID NOT HAVE
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WITH THAT BANK

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Catalina, good catch, lol!

posted February 11, 2016 02:02 PM            

This is both plus and minus for her imo. She needs those skills/ sleaze to get Congress to work with her AS IT STANDS...but can someone playing a "clean game" get anything done in Washington?

Kennedy was almost as badly stonewalled by Congress as Obama has been. LBJ was the consummate dealmaker who played the game and got things done.

I appreciate Trump for lampooning the corruption and idiocy of our whole system. But I would not want him anywhere near the White House. I respect that Hillary knows how to play the game but I don't Like her allegiances. I respect Sanders integrity but I worry that what he wants to implement would be too much govt in the hands of someone less interested in the good of all. Though I doubt he could push thru half his proposals hard to say WHICH ones would pass Congress and in what form.

posted February 13, 2016 12:29 AM            

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Peony I dont know if you noticed but due to superior string pulling..erm..politicking...Hillary walked with half the NH delegates...

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I saw Jack Tapper on CNN interviewing DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Shultz who asked her about that.

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This is both plus and minus for her imo. She needs those skills/ sleaze to get Congress to work with her AS IT STANDS...but can someone playing a "clean game" get anything done in Washington?

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About Clinton's claim that she gets things done, I have a couple of thoughts. Sure, she can work with Democrats. But, with the Republicans controlling both houses of Congress, this is just disingenuous. The animosity against Clinton will be even greater than it is for Obama.

Secondly, she also claims to be "a progressive who gets things done." But what things? She was in favor of TPP and the Keystone Pipeline, but now that's she running for president in the Democratic primaries, she's come out against them.

So, she continues to be in favor of the neoliberal trade policies of Bill Clinton, i.e., deregulation, free trade, policies that have hurt American workers.

She supported the repeal of Glass Steagall, which was one of the factors that led to the 2008 banking crisis and millions of people losing their jobs and their homes. And now, she's opposed to reinstating GS, and Bernie Sanders has laid bare why.

She supported Bill Clinton's 1994 crime bill and 1996 Welfare Reform bill which hurt the African American community. She's in favor of the death penalty.

She signed the bill sought by credit card companies in 2001 making it impossible for consumers to get debt relief. Credit card companies, according to Elizabeth Warren, have been the greatest contributors to members of Congress in recent years.

She's a hawk who supports military interventions in other countries, most recently in Libya.

And, she will seek the counsel of Henry Kissinger, who is a war criminal.

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Kennedy was almost as badly stonewalled by Congress as Obama has been. LBJ was the consummate dealmaker who played the game and got things done.

I appreciate Trump for lampooning the corruption and idiocy of our whole system. But I would not want him anywhere near the White House. I respect that Hillary knows how to play the game but I don't Like her allegiances. I respect Sanders integrity but I worry that what he wants to implement would be too much govt in the hands of someone less interested in the good of all. Though I doubt he could push thru half his proposals hard to say WHICH ones would pass Congress and in what form.

So another dilemma for me as usual in election year.

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Bernie Sanders has said repeatedly that he can't do this alone, that this isn't just a matter of voting for a president. It will take millions of people standing up and becoming engaged in the political process. Part of this means finding new candidates to win elections to Congress.

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I worry that what he wants to implement would be too much govt in the hands of someone less interested in the good of all.

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posted February 13, 2016 12:31 AM            

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posted February 13, 2016 12:35 AM            

"They are called super delegates. They don't represent the will of the people, they represent 'party interests' aka themselves and half of them have pledged (non-binding) to vote for Clinton in the primary.

One super delegate vote = one delegate vote.

There are 712 Super Delegates total. Clinton has 355 Super Delegates. Bernie has 14 because the party establishment doesn't like him because he wants to break their toys.

Super delegate wiki Please read it it. Its not that long.

Yes Bill Clinton is a super delegate. No, that isn't a problem because Bernie Sanders is also a super delegate.

A candidate needs 2,382 needed for nomination, which means you must earn more than half of the total (4,689) delegates."

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/451z09/meta_attempt_why_does_clinton_have_so_many_more/

posted February 14, 2016 02:02 PM            

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So another dilemma for me as usual in election year.

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Cat, for me as well. On the lighter side of that dilemna......

I watched an animal planet program last night called Presidental Pooches.

It went through the prezs and all their dogs while in the white House. So, to help me in my dilemna, I am going to seek out the dogs each candidate has and vote for the pooch I like best.

posted February 15, 2016 03:36 AM            

Reddit's "SandersForPresident" sub contain a number of posts by life-long Republicans, conservatives, people who don't vote or have never donated to a campaign before, seniors, people in the 1% bracket, and former Clinton supporters who now support Sanders.

"Another user on the Reddit group announced that he had convinced his entire Latino family to vote for Bernie in the New Jersey primary.

Still another person had come from the Republican side, announcing that, as a life-long conservative, he had made the decision to vote for Bernie, even though he disagreed with many of his policies. Again, his reason for switching was because of Sanders’ long history of consistency and integrity.

'Honestly, it’s his honesty and integrity. I liked Jim Webb for the same reason. And I was planning on voting for him. Even though Sanders is very left-wing I also think he can reach across the aisle and work with people. Or, get more stuff through Congress.'

This last comment reveals the flaw in the theory that Bernie Sanders would not be able to work with a hostile Congress while Clinton could. For while many of Clinton’s supporters question his ability to get bills passed, conservative voters praise him for his ability to work with both Democrats and Republicans in Congress. During his time in Congress in both the House and Senate, Bernie has either sponsored or co-sponsored 235 bills with members of both parties, many of which became law."

posted February 15, 2016 03:59 AM            

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/gop-megadonors-fundraising-freeze-219228

DNC rolls back Obama ban on contributions from federal lobbyists [and PACs]