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Vajra
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posted November 19, 2015 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Thanks, yes, that's what I meant.

There's no shortage of published research on that in book format, meaning not popular books here but scholarly. Try using some larger universities's catalogues to find those titles. The reason I'd prefer such publications over popular or journalistic is that they have to back up every statement with their sources clearly spelt out. By reading through a few different ones one can get a fairly good idea of why and how the IS formed and who backs/backed and finances it. The only alternative would be to do first-hand research in that region oneself (which would need to include reading the available research as a first step nonetheless), a rather difficult task.

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Gemini Blues
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posted November 19, 2015 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, the IS executed a Norwegian and a Chinese citizen today? Because after p***ing off... If I've got this... The Kurds, the pro-Assad Syrians,, the anit-Assad Syrians, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Hezbollah, Egypt, Russia, France, and by extension the EU, the "US led coalition", and " Anonymous"... did I miss anyone?... They discovered that there was at least 15% of the world's population they weren't at war with yet?

It does begin to strain "Willing suspension of disbelief"...

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LeeLoo2014
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posted November 19, 2015 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://theantimedia.org/someone-finally-explained-isis-created-will-make-question-everything/

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posted November 19, 2015 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseastar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are some facts on the refugees from an NPR article I found today:
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/11/18/456537683/barring-syrian-refugees-from-the-west-would-be-bad-for-the-middle-east

- Turkey is hosting nearly 2 million refugees.

- Lebanon has taken in 1.2 million refugees, and 1 in 4 people in Lebanon are Syrian refugees.

- Jordan has 660,000 refugees and has spent $6.6 billion to house and feed them.

= About 7.6 million refugees are still internally displaced within Syria.

- The United States has offered to take in a whopping 10,000 refugees.

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Gemini Blues
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posted November 19, 2015 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by deepseastar:
Here are some facts on the refugees from an NPR article I found today:
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2 015/11/18/456537683/barring-syrian-refugees-from-the-west-would-be-bad-for-the-middle-east

- Turkey is hosting nearly 2 million refugees.

- Lebanon has taken in 1.2 million refugees, and 1 in 4 people in Lebanon are Syrian refugees.

- Jordan has 660,000 refugees and has spent $6.6 billion to house and feed them.

= About 7.6 million refugees are still internally displaced within Syria.

- The United States has offered to take in a [b]whopping 10,000 refugees. [/B]


You do realize the 3 countries named in the article are 3 countries that share a physical border with Syria not named Iraq or Israel. Not to detract from the magnitude of the crisis, but they simply have no other humane choice.

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Faith
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posted November 19, 2015 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
http://theantimedia.org/someone-finally-explained-isis-created-will-make-question -everything/


Ben Swann I started watching him a long time ago. He was a member of a political forum I was active on for years. Trying to remember if I talked with him directly or not.

How strange to encounter a video by him, posted by a Romanian.

His narrative confirms my suspicions and what I knew.

Maybe the scholarly texts I'd find in the university libraries would confirm this narrative, or possibly contradict it....but why get into the details? This truth is unspeakable. Knowing it just makes you weird.

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Faith
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posted November 19, 2015 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron Paul talks about the Syrian Migrant Crisis

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iQ
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posted November 20, 2015 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Big Reforms are needed by Moderate Muslims to ensure the weakening of ISIL.

Saudi Arabia permits the killing of Apostates. Why should an apostate be harmed in any way? Why cannot the right to choose faith of choice/atheism be respected by all practicing Muslims?

Huge karmic debts being accumulated by Muslims for not condemning all that is wrong with outdated religious practices.

Let Muslim countries make Apostasy Legal, and then see how Islamism is given a death blow. Islam will survive in the 21st century only if the option of Islamism ceases to exist.

When I go through the 6000+ Quranic Verses, it is clear that:
1. Abrogation of Verses to suit the pervading atmosphere is permitted.
2. Some verses are totally for the lifetime of the Prophet only and for one specific battle. These include the "Sword" Verses of Chapter 9 which are used by Jihadists for brainwashing the recruited problematic youths into robotic, soulless, killing machines.
There is one verse which is a curse on a person who was trying to kill the prophet, how can it be viable today?
3. Far too many verses are reminders from Old Testament.
4. A few verses are Deep and Universal. They have nothing to do with Jihad, rituals, laws, rules, conversion, Heaven and Hell. In fact, they give the impression that the purpose of the Quran is to enable evolved people to unlock these Mystery Verses "Muthashabihat in Arabic". These verses deal with the Astral, with the existence of Demonic Entities, Alternate Dimensions,
Galactic Battles, Dream Interpretation, Numerological Encoding using number 19, about the Infinite, Self-Generated Light of God, Reincarnation (Yes, a verse speaks of this), Out of Body Experiences, Immortals (The Guru of Moses in Chapter 18) and even Ascension . There is a chapter called "Ascent" where it is clearly written that any person from any religion who feeds others during a time of drought or frees a slave/bonded laborer is certain to Ascend beyond ordinary "heaven".

Reformation of Islam in the future will hinge on the utilization of Category 4 Verses to universally welcome the entire Species of Humanity as Muslim in the Eyes of God, and nullify the option of using Apostasy or Hersey to sideline/attack/terrorize any race/gender/Nation.

Western Academics, Media and Think Tanks should praise Category 4 Verses and call the bluff of Orthodox Islamic Apologists by discussing every controversial tradition in the open. Take phone calls fro Moderate Muslims. Interview Moderate Muslims and broadcast their views on verses/traditions that are not in sync with the 21st Century. Insist on making Apostasy legal in countries for doing business. Let no product be purchased in the West from a Nation that permits Female Genetic Mutilation or permits harm to Apostates.

Just broadcasting Islamophobic stuff would ensure fresh recruit availability for Islamists. De-Radicalization is a two way street.

In India, the English TV Channels were screaming about how a Top Cop and practically Mumbai's Police System committed questionable acts to frame a driver and protect a multi-millionaire in a murder case. This same Media keeps quiet at the tens of thousands of innocent Muslims who were harassed for decades under outrageous anti-terror laws. Such hypocrisy will always lead to radicalization even of atheists from the Muslim Community.

Let European Countries show the way and let there be an end to terror.

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nordicsoul
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posted November 23, 2015 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent point.. IQ

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Vajra
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posted November 23, 2015 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting interview with terrorism expert Louise Shelley on the economic basis of IS, which according to her findings is run like a syndicate:

http://m.spiegel.de/international/business/a-1011492.html

Shelley published a book on that topic which might be well worth reading for understanding their methods better (Dirty Entanglements: Corruption, Crime and Terrorism, Cambridge University Press 2014, 380pp.).

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Faith
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posted November 25, 2015 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^Interesting.

I wish the interviewer asked her opinion on the theory that US-supplied arms to Syrian rebels ended up arming IS (offsetting the need for funding.) On the surface it sounds credible.

The last part of the article is disconcerting.

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posted November 29, 2015 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
^^Interesting.

I wish the interviewer asked her opinion on the theory that US-supplied arms to Syrian rebels ended up arming IS (offsetting the need for funding.) On the surface it sounds credible.

The last part of the article is disconcerting.


I wouldn't call that a "theory". It's a fact. That's what happens when you supply weapons to a civil war. The US was supporting any fraction that opposed Assad, quite discounting the fact that these groups are highly fractured and without much of a common cause. Some just want to get out, some oppose Assad, and then some oppose Assad and just about EVERYONE ELSE (like ISIS). Clearly the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

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Faith
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posted November 29, 2015 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Long time no see, Sibyl.

Well, many people regard it as a theory.

Though amongst the people I talk to, it's amazing how many will say frankly that ISIS is a US creation.

No patience for the media whitewash. Obama did that in plain sight.

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Sibyl
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posted November 30, 2015 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Likewise Faith

It's good to be back here again. I do pop out sometimes, but tend to circle back.

I'm sitting across the pond right now, where there is more acceptance for this view than there is in the United States.

It's quite natural, I think. It just depends on where you're at and what angle the government most benefits from. In Europe more generally (except obviously France and the UK - who undoubtedly would have the most to answer for in Syria) it's more widely accepted that the Western world fuelled the conflict.

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Catalina
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posted November 30, 2015 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes..starting with Colonialism. Its a long thread backward..

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posted December 04, 2015 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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