posted November 14, 2015 07:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Maybe Vajra is right and my worrying is in vain.

Just looks altogether volatile.

It's nothing against the Syrians or Muslims. Just the circumstances.

I try and research the situation thoroughly, because I'm interested, but I don't know enough about German media to know what's trustworthy. Is this trustworthy?? http://www.thelocal.de/20151026/hundreds-of-refugees-disappearing-from-centres

I don't know.

And the American media hasn't given it much attention. Anyway I dug myself a hole here and should be doing other things.

Hope you are well, Lee.

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Thank you, Faith I am happy that my friends are alive, and very very sad that many other friends and family of many people aren't.
Paris is like a second home to me.

posted November 14, 2015 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Also, this Martin Luther King Jr quote:
“Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”

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posted November 14, 2015 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Hi DM

I was in Berlin on Monday, and thought of you. Can't blame you for not wanting to travel long distance these days. Although security will probably never be on a higher alert than these days, so theoretically the flight would probably be safer than at any other time, but that's a rational argument only which might be counterintuitive in this stressful situation. Please take good care of yourself!

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posted November 14, 2015 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:

I think that this has Saturn Neptune written all over it. There was a weird coincidence with what has happened in Romania a week ago, there was a fire that killed many people in a rock club. I think this has something to do with religion, but also with energies. There's a reality check (saturn in sag) of the various beliefs, including religion (neptune in pisces).

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posted November 14, 2015 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Yes, that is another way of looking at things. I think there will be lots of consequences we can't yet anticipate. It's clear that things are changing, I only hope we'll still like our world after that.

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posted November 14, 2015 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
But most of the refugees are no Syrians , they are from Balkan that is why so many germans flip out. They would love to help but don't want to be used by others not deserving to be handled as asylum seekers

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As someone who was born and lives in the Balkans, a place refugees pass every day, I can assure you this is pure BS.

posted November 14, 2015 09:36 PM            

yes yes yes
macedonia bosnia albania
there are not among the huge refugees circles you see but they do seek asylum in germany

source is the government

also, all those EU members who do refuse to take refugees should be kicked out. They always take and never give

posted November 14, 2015 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you, Faith I am happy that my friends are alive, and very very sad that many other friends and family of many people aren't.
Paris is like a second home to me.

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Yes ~ sorry for derailing ~ all day I've just been so heavy-hearted about France, and it branched out to other worries for Europe and the world.

But my prayers are with Paris, still.

posted November 15, 2015 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Aw damn, that was a good comment.

Ami, you're p*ssing people off with racist comments. Racism perpetuates these wars and it comes back to bite all of us personally sooner or later. So why not just cut it out?

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posted November 15, 2015 02:48 AM            

I really wish someone would shut this thread down, but I'm sure that probably won't happen.

Since that won't happen, can we all talk about astrological events that were/are occurring around the attacks in Paris from now on? Or continue to send our well-wishes to the people in Paris who have been affected by this?

posted November 15, 2015 04:24 AM            

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Originally posted by maira:
...one could also say that the real cause for the Bucharest drama was retribution for the way things have been in the 25 years since the revolution, retribution for corruption, retribution for laissez-faire. Innocent people have paid the price in both cases.

And Saturn is the taskmaster, but also the retributor. He gives rewards to those who have done their job correctly and sanctions those who haven't. These events have a payback feel to me, and this is in no way connected to the actual victims involved.

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posted November 15, 2015 04:41 AM            

I have no idea about what's being discussed re: Bucharest. This is just a general response about Saturn.

posted November 15, 2015 04:51 AM            

Mercury/Sun, Saturn, and Moon in the 5th house. Again with the social settings being highlighted. A football game between two different countries, a restaurant (Cambodian), a bar? And another restaurant I've just heard mentioned. A rock concert.

posted November 15, 2015 04:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rebelqueen:
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also, all those EU members who do refuse to take refugees should be kicked out. They always take and never give

it is not the people it is the government

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I agree with this.

Back to the chart, Eris conj ASC tells us this is not only an act of war, but it will lead to more war
Neptune overlaying 12th squaring Mars may point to some backstage actions being revealed as a consequence of these events.
Mars is chart ruler for France, and the completion of the Saturn/Neptune square on Vertex axis, with Neptune ruling world MC, is likely to cause a global shift with what Maira described, which will initially cause lots of pain (Chiron following, both Chiron and Neptune retro in Pisces) Chiron direct on 27.11 would be an important turning point here, for showing the chosen path for healing.
Also, of course, we have Neptune direct 3 days from now: all the divisive religion and military matters (remember the Mars Neptune square) have green light for acting in the spirit of global spirituality, compassion and peace or not.

Neptune turns direct on 7.01 Pisces, encouraging a movement from

6-7 deg Pisces

Illumined By A Shaft Of Light, A Large Cross Lies On Rocks Surrounded By Sea

which needs to be incorporated, but also left behind (if you ask me, former understanding and forms of religions need to be left behind, but this is my understanding of this Sabian threshold)

to

A girl blowing a bugle

"Pisces 8: A GIRL BLOWING A BUGLE

Girl Blowing A Bugle Is there something that you feel you must say? That you must convey? Are there realizations coming through you? Are you experiencing a stirring around delivering a message? Do you feel that there are others that are perhaps letting the cat out of the bag? Talking up or speaking about things that might alarm, harm or confront? Perhaps there’s a need for some things to be said so that you, or others, will finally wake up to the ‘truth’ of something.

Knowing when to speak and when to stay silent can be quite a challenge with this degree around. As the Karmic Condition of this degree is Pisces 7: A LARGE CROSS LIES ON ROCKS SURROUNDED BY SEA AND MIST, there can often be secrets, based on religious or spiritual matters, often connected to strong ethical problems or situations, and there can be a confusion around what is right and correct and what will just stir up trouble, prejudice or opposition. Still, sometimes we have a duty to speak up about things that perhaps others won’t.

This Symbol shows the ability, or the need, to be able to sound the call, to rally people together, to know when to speak or “Blow her Bugle” to awaken others, to wake up to realities going on in the world, join some cause, etc. At times in your life, you are likely to feel the need to wake up those around you, and, at times, perhaps be woken yourself. When situations get bogged down in emotional or rational complexity and everyone just needs to be rallying and going for the objective, you may be the one to let everyone know. Sometimes this Symbol can show someone who makes a lot of noise; justified or unjustified and they can get people moving. Using simple, receptive innocence will get situations back on track.

Sounding the call. Awakening all to action. Loudspeakers, telephones, announcements. Rise and shine! Leading the charge. Resurrection. Proclamations. Whistle blowers.

The Caution: Unwarranted and disturbing noise. Showing off. Trumpeting about oneself. Not listening to people. Being annoying. Interrupting. Betraying confidences. Loud voice."

"PHASE 338 (PISCES 8°): A GIRL BLOWING A BUGLE.

KEYNOTE: A call to participation in the service of the race, as an evolutionary crisis approaches.

This symbolic picture presents another aspect of the emotional relationship between the individual and the collectivity of human beings. It can also be related to the old feminist movement or the present women's liberation. In traditional symbolism the woman refers more specifically to the biological and psychic aspect of human life; she is seen primarily as the mother, and/or the intuitive or "psychic" type of person. A new race of human beings may well be slowly unfolding some of its potential of consciousness and fulfillment. The individual who envisions this evolutionary development "sounds the call." He or she is both seer-herald and mutant. In that sense such a human being is both an individual true to his original nature and a dedicated person — dedicated to the future he or she holds in latency as does a seed in mutation.

At this third stage of the sixty-eighth five-fold sequence the two preceding phases blend in a new form of consecration of the individual to the Whole. Tomorrow acts through today; it SUMMONS men to rebirth."

the Judgment card, understood as deep spiritual Neptunian awakening and rebirth/birth of a new era/humanity, all encompassing, and not as "punishment" (the principle of action/reaction is the engine of our universe, it works by itself, and all benevolent "deities" are aware of it, hence there is no such thing as a punisher god)

posted November 15, 2015 02:38 PM            

Feel so bad for the french. I've been sad this weekend. My fathers family came from France two hundred years ago :-((

I'm happy that my french friends live in Belgium. I hope the people in the hospitals improve or at least suffer the minimum.

posted November 15, 2015 06:52 PM            

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I didn't read everything. Vajra, as always, very humane point of view, I always nod when I read your posts

I have tried very hard to insulate myself from this tragedy, and have partly succeeded. My heart goes to each LL member who is there.

I think that this has Saturn Neptune written all over it. There was a weird coincidence with what has happened in Romania a week ago, there was a fire that killed many people in a rock club. I think this has something to do with religion, but also with energies. There's a reality check (saturn in sag) of the various beliefs, including religion (neptune in pisces).

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I see Saturn Square Neptune too. With Mars triggering the event by conjuncting the eclipse point of the last full moon eclipse.

Saggitarius represents religion too. And foreigners, especially those that wander around.

posted November 16, 2015 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
*~ And its name is ISIL, not Isis.[/IMG]

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ISIS stands for Islamic State of Iraq and Syria[B] or [B]Islamic State of Iraq and ash-Sham. (ash-Sham is an antiquated Arabic name for the Levant.)

ISIL stands for Islamic State if Iraq and the Levant.

Sometimes it's easier to just abbreviate it to IS, or Islamic State.

posted November 16, 2015 09:59 AM            

But I don't understand this...

France Fights Back

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On Sunday, a dozen French warplanes launched a series of airstrikes against an ISIS command center in Raqqa, Syria, in retaliation for the terror attacks, according to the French Ministry of Defense.

The attacks, which came from air bases in Jordan and and the United Arab Emirates, saw 20 bombs dropped on the command center, a weapons depot and a training camp.

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