posted November 16, 2015 10:26 AM            

I hope other countries, such as the USA, for selfish reasons, learns from this.

If not, it will be the new "normal"

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posted November 16, 2015 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I f***ing hate war.

But I don't understand this...

France Fights Back

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If they knew it was there all along, why are they just now attacking it?

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This attack looks like it's been planned for a long time. But now that the French people are out for revenge, they can go ahead without fear of backlash for possibly killing civilians.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
NOW, they have closed their borders. It is too late.

I hope other countries learn the lesson or what happened om France will be "normal".

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posted November 16, 2015 10:59 AM            

France cannot attack Isis in Syria and help their own homeland.

Their own homeland is the issue, as is everyone's.

Countries have to be proactive, NOT defensive.

What France is doing now is defensive.

Defensive actions are WEAK.

Proactive actions are STRONG.

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posted November 16, 2015 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
for France the transits look like this

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Thanks so much for posting this! So, I'm just going to piggy-back on this.

Here is the link to the natal planet placements per your date/time/location: http://www.true-node.com/pos/?v=2&name=Radix&day=6&month=10&year=1958&time=18%3A38%3A48&zone=CET+%2B1&long=2%3A20&ew=1&lat=48%3A52&ns=1&f_body_type=on&f_orig_oid=on&f_rx=on&sort=lo ngDec&f_longDec=on&f_latDec=on&f_raDec360=on&f_declDec=on&f_distDec=on&f_spdLongDec=on&f_nnodeOsc=on&f_snodeOsc=on&f_periOsc=on&f_apOsc=on¢er=g&zodiac=t&harmonic=1&timeMode=e&f ormat=DMS&sub=Submit&func=&Create+Midpoint+List=on&Create+Aspect+List=on&bodiesText=&Show+Angles=on&Show+Planets=on&Show+Lunars=on&Show+4+Major+Asteroids=on

Here is the link to its natal aspects: http://www.true-node.com/pos/tmp/14476895952964.aspects.html

posted November 16, 2015 11:16 AM            

Look up Pholus, which is explosions.

Look up Ixxion, which is evil.

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posted November 16, 2015 11:20 AM            

Tr Nemesis, which is hidden enemy, conjuncts the Sun.

Does Tr. Pholus conj Saturn.

Saturn is the structure of the country, the foundations like bones in the body.

Pholus explodes what it touches.

WOW is all I can say

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posted November 16, 2015 11:34 AM            

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posted November 16, 2015 11:53 AM            

The US could have shut our borders instead of invading the Middle East, and it would have spared hundreds of thousands of lives.

But it's funny, I don't see you ever incriminating our own country for its policies. Somehow you always shift all the blame to the Others, with no compassion demonstrated for all the civilian victims.

What are the limits of your apathy or antagonism towards Muslims? If you are okay with US's switchover to pre-emptive, endless war against them...must it take place on foreign soil? Or would you be okay with the military rounding up American Muslims and putting them..."somewhere"?

Haven't we learned to not commit these atrocities against people, on the basis of their religion?

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posted November 16, 2015 12:10 PM            

It is a spiritual issue.

They do not see the French kids in the concert hall as innocent.

They see them as evil

Western democracy is evil to them

When they kill the "evil doers", they are GOOD, not bad.

We think it is bad because we have WESTERN values.

They think it is making the world Islam dominant, which is GOOD.

People have to understand what is behind this, or they will be stupid, quite frankly.

I say that with love and appreciate your asking me an honest question, Faith.

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posted November 16, 2015 12:10 PM            

Ami, you can't close your borders in our century, you're not North Korea. And as an EU country, you're part of Europe, which has no borders nowadays. And the world.

Besides, closed borders don't prevent terrorist acts.

Also, Aries Eagle, you can't call 1.6 billion people on this planet "bastardi" because of extremist, terrorist groups using religion as a pretext, and whoever may be behind those, no matter what they do. Extremists are and have been in any religion and culture. That photo is disturbing to me, in my eyes it doesn't belong here.

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posted November 16, 2015 12:13 PM            

You can't understand their "coming" to these Western cultures without understanding that they are coming to CHANGE us, not to get away from bad conditions.

NO Muslim country is taking them.

They are not trying to get INTO all the Muslim countries around them, who have land and oil galore.

They don't need to go there because it is, already, Islam dominated/Sharia Law.

posted November 16, 2015 12:18 PM            

This is the crux of it.

To them(ISIS and other such groups), it(what WE call terror attacks) is not negative. It is positive.

They are doing what they think is best for the world.

They are trying to make Islam dominant/Sharia Law in all Western democracies.

That is WHY the "refugees" don't go to Muslim countries.

The Muslim countries, which are much closer to them, geographically.

They are Islam dominated, already.

Their ideology is GOOD in their minds.

The Western ideology is evil.

Women dressing in western clothing, driving, having freedom, among many other Western values and activities are evil to them.

They are trying to take our "evil" and make it their "good"

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posted November 16, 2015 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
First of all, this issue can't be pushed under the rug,so people don't have "hurt feelings" Countries HAVE to close their borders.

France cannot attack Isis in Syria and help their own homeland.

Their own homeland is the issue, as is everyone's.

Countries have to be proactive, NOT defensive.

What France is doing now is defensive.

Defensive actions are WEAK.

Proactive actions are STRONG.

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posted November 16, 2015 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm sorry, my dears, but I don't think US's interventions in the ME were pre-emptive or to prevent MEasterns to enter the US Does anyone in the US still believe this? Don't scare me, please.

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That's what they call it, pre-emptive war. Most people here would never say it was about oil and resources. They think it was defensive action. But even pre-emptive war for supposedly defensive purposes was hard for many Americans to get on board with. At least not initially...Obama's presidency muted the anti-war movement considerably.

And I'm not saying shut the borders. I'm saying if you're going to be an Islamophobe, be explicit and call for shutting the borders-- that would be more humane than supporting endless war. As too many people in the US do.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Besides, closed borders don't prevent terrorist acts.

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posted November 16, 2015 12:22 PM            

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posted November 16, 2015 12:24 PM            

You have to understand that. It is a totally, totally, totally different set of mental structures.

You can't apply the Western mind to Islamic terrorism.

They are GOOD, in their own minds, not bad.

We think the France massacre was bad. They don't.

They think it is one step closer to a caliphate.

They are doing what they think is right.

That is why it is a clash of ideologies, not what we in the West ascribe to it i.e a terrible massacre.

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posted November 16, 2015 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Neither does invading the Middle East. My point is, I've never seen Ami say, let's stop meddling there.

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posted November 16, 2015 12:30 PM            

It is not because we were "bad"

I am not saying we should have meddled or not, but it would not have changed this.

I don't think it can be stopped, really, either.

Maybe, it can, a bit.

I hope so!

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posted November 16, 2015 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The caliphate( Islam domination) is not because we did anything "bad". I am not saying we didn't. However, the caliphate is their IDEOLOGY.

You have to understand that. It is a totally, totally, totally different set of mental structures.

You can't apply the Western mind to Islamic terrorism.

They are GOOD, in their own minds, not bad.

We think the France massacre was bad. They don't.

They think it is one step closer to a caliphate.

They are doing what they think is right.

That is why it is a clash of ideologies, not what we in the West ascribe to it i.e a terrible massacre.

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Ami, you can't call an entire community of people having a religion or whatever they have in common "terrorists" because of a terrorist group. Because you would be an atheist by now, if you really wanted to do it.

posted November 16, 2015 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

NO Muslim country is taking them.

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I have already demonstrated that this statement is flat-out wrong. The places with the most refugees right now are Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, and refugee camps within Syria. You are simply repeating your Islamophobic mantra despite having been confronted with the facts, derailing and ruining the thread for everyone else in the process.

posted November 16, 2015 12:40 PM            

That is just a fact.

If people want to be ignorant, they can, but I think people should educate themselves.

Don't listen to me.

I will link the documentary from D'souza.

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posted November 16, 2015 12:41 PM            

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posted November 16, 2015 12:42 PM            

Educate YOURSELVES, if you want America to be a democracy in the coming years.

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