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maira
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posted November 16, 2015 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, wow, Ceri, and I hope you know I say it with love, asteroid BAM, really? I dislike asteroids with a passion, but now I'm just sitting here similing

And I am sorry for the disrespect, but I have finally read the entire thread. It was like reading an absurd dialogue written by Ionesco, it makes you laugh at its pure lack of sense. People have died, and people are arguing and that's human nature. We have a habit in my country, when someone dies, there is a wake and everybody is invited. And almost always, people get drunk and start gossiping the beloved deceased and I always found this to be very funny. Human nature
Again, sorry for my bad taste.


I'll come back with some astrological considerations tomorrow, I need to see the chart without asteroids.

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posted November 16, 2015 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, and just because I'm also human, Ami, I just want to say that Sharia isn't what you think it is. You know I say it with love, and you know that I'm not Muslim. Just somewhat educated.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 16, 2015 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by maira:
Oh, and just because I'm also human, Ami, I just want to say that Sharia isn't what you think it is. You know I say it with love, and you know that I'm not Muslim. Just somewhat educated.


I disagree but we can't discuss it anymore, so please respect that. Thanks

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maira
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posted November 16, 2015 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I disagree but we can't discuss it anymore, so please respect that. Thanks



I think Randall will understand, Ami. I am not arguing with you, I am just stating my personal opinion here, and it has everything to do with astrology, we are the embodiment of the Saturn Neptune square right now, as we speak our personal truths on the Internet.

It is my personal opinion that Sharia (the real Sharia, not the one bent by humans to better suit their own wills and interests) is not about prohibiting freedom, but about prohibiting transgression.
I'll give you an example: it is your freedom to kill an animal because you are hungry, but it is a transgression to kill it just for fun. Please understand that I'm just discussing concepts here, and that in no way am I endorsing this law. Or any other law, for that matter, other than my conscience.

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GemBird82
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posted November 16, 2015 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ just got back home from work... aww... what happened to this thread
I think I might need a cup of fresh pinneaple juice ... to reply or not to reply, that's the question

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Ami Anne
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posted November 16, 2015 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall SAID that the discussion was ended. If *I* answer back, then it is not ended. Please, RESPECT that. Thanks

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posted November 16, 2015 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Randall SAID that the discussion was ended. If *I* answer back, then it is not ended. Please, RESPECT that. Thanks


Randall is not The Law. Well, he is, but the law can always be modified to better suit the needs of the citizens, if in a democracy. There would be no law without citizens.

I just realized what your problem with Sharia is. You obey the law.

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posted November 16, 2015 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall is the Law on LL, my Friend and even if he was not the Law, he made a request and I respect HIM.

I don't appreciate your continued asking something I SAID I am done discussing. Thanks

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posted November 16, 2015 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
This thread has lost its way. If it doesn't get back to Astrology, I will close it.

Thank you, Randall!

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maira
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posted November 16, 2015 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Randall is the Law on LL, my Friend


Yes, I know, I just wrote that. I will stop here, I should have known you'd take it personally.

I hope that one day, you'll realize why I chose to write these things to you today and that, maybe then, you'll return the virtual hug that I'm sending you now

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posted November 16, 2015 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have no problem sending you a hug, Maira. Take care.

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posted November 16, 2015 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by maira:
Randall is not The Law. Well, he is, but the law can always be modified to better suit the needs of the citizens, if in a democracy. There would be no law without citizens.

No, but LL is his house, so to speak, and we're all his guests. He pays the bills and keeps LL running, and so he makes the house rules.

I don't personally agree with all of Randall's decisions, but I recognize LL as his place, not a democracy. Of course we're free to leave to find or start a new astrology site at any time.

That aside, enough people want this thread to be about astrology, as it SHOULD be, though I believe Ami isn't supposed to post in GU anymore (I forget the details) so don't expect her to take it there. I could quibble with much has been said here myself, and I'm certainly no fan of Ami's views, but this thread is supposed to be about astrological understanding of one of the otherwise seemingly incomprehensible horrors of our world, and I leave everything else out of this thread, especially now that Randall (like others in this thread) has said that this should be about the astrology rather than our ideological/religious beliefs and personal feelings in the matter.

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posted November 16, 2015 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
Sven555 TIME CORRECTION, verified 9:30 p.m.

Rachel Maddow on MSNBC reported the first explosions happened at 9:30pm.

Timing confirmed from background explosion recorded during taping of nearby Soccer game. (I didn't see the timemark. I heard Rachel call the time audibly.)

Bataclan Attack
Friday, 13 November 2015
Paris, FRANCE 2e20, 48n52
TIME: 9:30 p.m.
UT: 20:30
Sid. Time: 0:09:53

Ascendant: Cancer 26.21'4"
Midheaven: Aries 2.41'26"

Sun Scorpio 21.8'15" H5
Moon Sagittarius 15.14'6" H5

VERTEX Sagittarius 12.52'32"
PofFortune Cancer 2.15'13"


Thanks mirage.

Transiting 3317 PARIS at 23 Cancer, conjunct the ASC.

Also, France's chart has the moon at 21 Cancer.

France's sun @ 12 Libra, Mercury @13 Libra.

Tr ISIS at 13 Libra on the day of these attacks.

I understand people's concerns about using that asteroid, but it may be functional in the newer, sadder sense.

ETA:
Composite chart between France and this attack:

ISIS-NN-Jupiter on France's sun

And a mutable grand cross of Chiron, Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter. Chiron at the top of the chart...

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posted November 16, 2015 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Leute,
Ok,
I feel pumped !

Well, I honestly see France as a water sun sign... and much more older, 1958... then I guess France is younger than my dad lol (who was born in Lichtenfels btw)

As per Germany, I think its true chart should be around 1300, when fixed star Aldebaran entered Gemini.
Aldebaran at 0º00' Gemini should talk about Germany a lot more than any other chart

Same for France, its true chart should point to 200-250 ac with the foundation of the Gaelic empire by Postumus if I'm correct; those who are familiar with rectification of birth charts know significant events are decisive to solve the puzzle. These are the ones I've found:

• Foundation of Gaelic empire by Postumus started with a conjunction of Pluto+Procyon at 0º-1º degrees of Cancer 200ac
• La prise de la Bastille, ocurred on July 14th, 1789. Guess wich fixed star was exactly conjunct Sun? Procyon
• To fall of your chair, on November 13th, 2015, attacks in France started exactly at 9:30pm (thanks again to mirage29); guess which fixed star is exactly rising on the horizon? Procyon
( if the attack would have started at 9:29, the orb for this conjunction would be 0º00' )

It's as follows:
Germany - Aldebaran
France - Procyon
Iceland - Polaris
India - Arcturus, Vega(?)
Egypt - Sirius
USA - Sirius?
big etc

However, super skilled dude Dane Rudhyar once upon a time said France, Germany, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, etc - all were part of some cosmic group and hence, ruled by Leo, which I find a bit weird but perhaps not so far from reality.

• And I just re-membered some very interesting stuff: in Linda's book Star Signs, many secrets were 'unlocked', one of those is the following:

Fire = 16
Water = 18
Earth = 17
Air = 4
Aether = 22

Raw sum of all elements is = 77

Which is the same value as:
United States of America = 77

Such numeric 77 vibration can be traduced again into letters such as:

Intellectual(7) Science(7)
Friend(7) Science(7)
Intellectual(7) Friend(7)
Beloved(7) Friend(7)
Superstar(7) Superman(7)
Intellectual(7) Superman(7)
Beloved(7) Harmony(7)
Intellectual(7) Liberalization(7)
I trust you(7) Science (7)

That's why it's important to watch out for the 'vampiric intoxication'(70) done by the 'false god'(7), the demi... demi- errr ok, you-know-who...
Perhaps Aldebaran and Procyon didn't know how to deal with it very well; these modern events could be mirroring quite some ancient events from Eons Ago, I'm not a territorialist nor I'm bound to such mundane passion, so I find no reason in hiding my thoughts and to wish the best to young nations. Truth is for me that EL's duty was to assist humanity in times of pain, but it doesn't mean mankind has to depend always on them.
Don't look for help when you are already free

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posted November 16, 2015 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, GemBird

A lot of that is over my head.

But I agree...just doesn't seem right to say France dates back to 1958. Nevertheless it fits the attack charts.

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La prise de la Bastille, ocurred on July 14th, 1789. Guess wich fixed star was exactly conjunct Sun? Procyon
• To fall of your chair, on November 13th, 2015, attacks in France started exactly at 9:30pm (thanks again to mirage29); guess which fixed star is exactly rising on the horizon? Procyon
( if the attack would have started at 9:29, the conjunction would be 0º00' )

I was also looking at the storming of the Bastille... http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Storming_of_the_Bastille_%28French_Revolution%29

Sun 22 Cancer
Mercury 23 Cancer

Conjunct tr ASC-PARIS when these attacks began, or pretty close. Conjunct France's 21 Cancer moon, using 1958 chart.

Tr Pluto back then 18 Aqua
Comp MC in France-Attack 20 Aqua.

Some reverberations.

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posted November 16, 2015 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^ pretty deep, GemBird.

I agree with you, I don't give a lot of importance to the 1958 chart for France because France is an old world country and these newer charts do not capture its essence though they may give one something to chew on.

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posted November 16, 2015 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
awwww thanks Faith hahah yup, no weird feelings against 1958, that chart could point to the current errr hmmm 'political management'

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posted November 16, 2015 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay! thanks Belage

Yup, France is a bit oldie-worldie but very classy, I get a lot of water-element vibes from it. Especially from its artistic expression.


If I had to point to air-element when talking about art, I think I'd point to Asia ( remind me a lot of Japanese animations and comic books )

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posted November 16, 2015 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*~ Now that I've tried my best to behave like such a civilized goodie-goodie girl...

Please allow me to behave like a douche and go berserk

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posted November 16, 2015 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemBird82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*~ Please, please, please !
Stop calling the Terrorist organization as if it were Goddess Isis !!!

It's exactly what Yaldabaoth/Yog-sothoth/the Demiurge/YHWH/Allah/Samael, the blind god/the architect/the cube,etc wants and expects from us !

*~ It's important ...

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posted November 17, 2015 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mod intervention would be nice, but we can just keep dreaming....Faith

dream no more
moving to GU2

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posted November 17, 2015 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Chart should be used for Germany? The one after 2nd world war or the one after the re-union with East Germany?

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posted November 17, 2015 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Belgium and Germany both should be very careful.

The government must Engage with the Imams of every local mosque, ex-fighters for ISIL [800 or so of them] have to be placed under surveillance. Human Rights cannot be respected for those who are Soulless.

The French already knew about some of the attackers. Let the same mistakes not be repeated.

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posted November 17, 2015 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
dream no more
moving to GU2

I wasn't asking for the thread to be moved.

I was hoping someone would step in and tell Ami that she is NOT ALLOWED to make extreme remarks against Muslims on this site.

She is not allowed to post in GU2 or Divine Diversities because she gets out of hand with her anti-Muslims rants, isn't that correct? She would get banned from this site if she tried that in Sweet Peas, where there is zero tolerance.

So I am asking that she not be allowed to do the same in any other forum.

Randall, it's a shame you allow this.

And lalalinda, I know you are friends with Ami, but as mod for that forum, it would be nice if you could tell her her words are unacceptable. You won't because you two are friends. Which is how I *knew* you would not act appropriately in this case.

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posted November 17, 2015 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really? Ami is not allowed to post in some Forums on here?
Due to her...?
And she remains a mod? Really?

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