posted March 17, 2016 11:55 AM            

So, the bigger problem is the existence of a "chain of obedience" in America...the fact that there is already enough hatred against Muslims that many would be willing to block them out of this country and track them.

Why are Americans like this?

Why do we glorify war and violence?

Why does America seem like a bloodthirsty nation?

posted March 17, 2016 02:54 PM            

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Why are Americans like this?

Why do we glorify war and violence?

Why does America seem like a bloodthirsty nation?

The problem is much bigger than Trump, really. It's about everyone.

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This has been my concerns and contemplations since this entire political mess became a media circus.

Somehow, trump and ilk know how to feed the fears, hatreds and animalistic instincts take over.

I have heard it whispered he is the anti-christ

posted March 21, 2016 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It's not a theory. Obama passed 23 Executive Orders restricting firearms, so, of course, gun sales would go up. But that wasn't Obama's goal.

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I've read every single executive order Obama has written since 2008. Please post 5 of these 23.

posted March 22, 2016 05:34 AM            

If Trump wins, Muslims in America will not be packed off to Gas Chambers. Yes, there will be a blockade against Arabs and those with Arabic names. There will be increased hate attacks against African Americans and Latin Americans, not by Trump's governance but because of the KKK who are supporting Trump and will feel entitled to renew their bias with more zeal.

Trump will not get America embroiled in a World War 3. If he is President, there will be lots of "Mexican Standoffs" between Trump's supporters, Army, old Establishment, their cronies, Freedom Activists, Bankers and so on. The Economy will suffer initially as American Investors take their money out.
Once he is pushed to the wall regarding economics, Trump is the best candidate to usher in big ticket reforms to salvage some growth. Re-election would be near impossible as Psychological Tactics to win work only once.

posted March 22, 2016 03:25 PM            

HE IS NOT AS STUPID OR VULGAR AS HE HAS BEEN ACTING THROUGH this campaign. It's a conscious device and apparently he is gradually leaving it behind as he gets more delegates. Meanwhile the crass fearful bigots of the country are feeling justified in following their belligerent instincts.

posted March 24, 2016 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Obama would gladly ban private ownership of firearms if he could, and many on the left would support that decision.

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Absolute bull. Plain and simple.

Has nothing to do with the "left". It's about right versus wrong in this world today. Find a better talking point...

posted March 24, 2016 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Well Hitler couldn't have risen to power except the people were willing....

So, the bigger problem is the existence of a "chain of obedience" in America...the fact that there is already enough hatred against Muslims that many would be willing to block them out of this country and track them.

Why are Americans like this?

Why do we glorify war and violence?

Why does America seem like a bloodthirsty nation?

The problem is much bigger than Trump, really. It's about everyone.

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Short and to the point. Amen, Faith.

posted March 25, 2016 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Are you saying it's right to ban guns? Wrong to own guns? Clarify.

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I'm saying that it's a complete LIE that Obama or any other sane Democrat is trying to ban guns altogether. He has NEVER said that.

Law-abiding citizens are not at risk of having their guns taken from them. Period!! Obama simply wants to try harder to keep guns away from the bad guys and from mentally ill individuals. SO WHAT if he can't stop every single psycho from getting one. The bigger question is WHY you'd have a serious problem with attempting to stop the epidemic of gun violence??

Your argument is rather trivial. And quite heartless in the face of evil in our world today. Instead of hating Obama (over imaginary issues), we should ALL be focusing our attention on the jokers in Congress who block any damn thing from EVER getting done!

United we stand. Divided we fall.

posted March 28, 2016 12:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
No, Obama isn't taking our guns away, and I never said he was. I said he wants to. If we didn't have a civil war with Obama in office, I think we are good as gold. The left sure hates Trump while worshiping Clinton in the same breath. Obama was not the second coming, and neither is she.

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posted March 28, 2016 08:15 AM            

President Obama has signed 23 executive orders designed to address the problem of gun violence in America. The following are the items addressed:

Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make itwidely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effectiveuse of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to developinnovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

It does not appear that any of the executive orders would have any impact on the guns people currently own-or would like to purchase- and that all proposals regarding limiting the availability of assault weapons or large ammunition magazines will be proposed for Congressional action. As such, any potential effort to create a constitutional crisis—or the leveling of charges that the White House has overstepped its executive authority—would hold no validity

(copied exactle as Catalina posted it)

posted March 28, 2016 01:27 PM            

There is very little in them that even restricts guns and you have ignored requests to explain which do. Maybe you didn't see them but the vaguer you keep your recited accusations the more it smells like fudge 😉

posted March 28, 2016 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Disingenuous, much, Randall? You claimed Obama wants to ban guns, and when someone asked where you got that "theory" you denied it was theory, referring to these ^ EOs as "evidence" or Exhibit A if you like.

There is very little in them that even restricts guns and you have ignored requests to explain which do. Maybe you didn't see them but the vaguer you keep your recited accusations the more it smells like fudge 😉

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He has an irrational fear of Obama and creates fairy tale reasons to hate the man. Plain and simple.

Again...why is attempting to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics a bad thing? Ridiculous.

posted March 28, 2016 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:

If we didn't have a civil war with Obama in office, I think we are good as gold.

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Obama has never encouraged violence. Trump tells his supporters to beat people up and hand the legals fees to him. These two men are *nothing* alike.

posted March 28, 2016 03:00 PM            

Here are the 23 EOs and notice that many of them do restrict gun sales:

On Jan. 5, 2016, President Obama unveiled his new strategy to curb gun violence in America. His proposals focus on new background check requirements that will enhance the effectiveness of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), and greater education and enforcement efforts of existing laws at the state level. As more information becomes available, this document will be updated. The 2015 plan:

Directs the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to require any business that engages in the sale of guns to obtain a federal license to do so and conduct background checks. This requirement applies to gun stores, sellers of guns at gun shows, and sellers of guns over the Internet. The licensing requirement applies to all sellers “engaged in the business” of selling guns, regardless of how frequent or how many sales there are. Failure to obtain a license to sell will carry criminal penalties of up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000. Failure to conduct a required background check will also carry penalties.

Requires the ATF Bureau to issue a rule requiring background checks for purchasers of certain dangerous firearms and other items who purchase them through a trust, corporation or other legal entity. It will also issue a rule clarifying that gun dealers/licensees who ship firearms have the responsibility to notify law enforcement if their guns are lost or stolen in transit.

Encourages greater communications between federal and state authorities on criminal history information. The Obama administration seeks to increase the dialog with states to ensure the background check system is as comprehensive as it can be.

Instructs the FBI to overhaul the background check system to make it more efficient and accurate. Improvements include increasing personnel by 50 percent, modernize NICS to allow for background checks to be processed 24/7 and permit better notification of state and local authorities when certain prohibited persons attempt to buy a gun.

Calls for increased funding to ATF for the hiring of 200 new ATF agents and investigators to help enforce existing gun laws. ATF is also directed to establish an Internet Investigation Center with dedicated personnel to track illegal online firearms trafficking. The plan dedicates $4 million to and additional personnel to enhance the National Integrated Ballistics Information Network.

Asks the attorney general to encourage federal U.S. attorneys to work with state and local authorities and groups to increase prevention of domestic violence and to prevent prohibited persons from obtaining firearms.

Proposes a $500 million investment to increase access to mental health care by increasing service capacity and the behavioral health workforce. The Department of Health and Human Services will finalize a rule removing legal barriers preventing states from reporting relevant information about people prohibited from possessing a gun for specific mental health reasons.

Requires inclusion of mental health information from the Social Security Administration (SSA) in the background check system about beneficiaries who are prohibited from possessing a firearm. To this end. SSA will issue a rule to ensure that this information is reported to NICS. This rule will also include a waiver provision available to people seeking relief from the federal prohibition on possessing a firearm because of mental health reasons. Further details will be available upon issuance of this rule.

Directs the departments of Defense, Justice and Homeland Security to conduct or sponsor research into gun safety technology that would reduce the likelihood of accidental discharge or unauthorized use of a firearm. Requires that a strategy for real-world deployment of this technology be prepared within 90 days.

Calls upon state attorneys general to focus resources on eliminating the most dangerous and impactful cases in illegal gun trafficking, and violent offenders who bypass the background check system and purchase guns illegally.

Removes certain legal barriers preventing states from reporting information to NICS. HHS has been directed to clarify through a rule that certain Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act covered entities are permitted to provide limited demographic and other necessary information about people with mental illness who are prohibited from possessing a firearm to the NICS.

Overview | January 2013 Gun Proposal From President Obama

President Obama has unveiled a plan to address gun violence in the nation. The initiative consists of 23 executive actions and three presidential memoranda, most of which will require congressional approval. Many parts of the plan may have significant effects on states.

The plan:

Requires background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.

Provides states with monetary incentives—$20 million in fiscal year FY 2013 and a proposed $50 million in FY 2014—to share information so that records on criminal history and people prohibited from gun ownership due to mental health reasons are more available.

Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.

Provides additional tools to law enforcement. The plan proposes a crackdown on gun trafficking by asking Congress to pass legislation that closes “loopholes” in gun trafficking laws and establishes strict penalties for “straw purchasers” who pass a background check and then pass guns on to prohibited people.

Urges Congress to pass the administration’s $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.

Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.

Provides training for “active shooter” situations to 14,000 law enforcement, first responders and school officials.

Directs the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a statement to health care providers that they are not prohibited by federal law from reporting threats of violence to the proper authorities.

Launches a national gun safety campaign to encourage responsible gun ownership and authorizes the Consumer Product Safety Commission to examine issues relating to gun safety locks.

Helps schools invest in safety. The president’s plan calls for more school resource officers and counselors in all schools through the Community Oriented Policing Services hiring program. The plan also calls for the federal government to assist schools in developing emergency management plans.

Improves mental health awareness through enhanced teacher training and referrals for treatment. The plan calls for the training of 5,000 additional mental health professionals nationwide. The plan also calls for coverage of mental health treatment under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.

posted March 28, 2016 03:08 PM            

In the mid-1990s Australia and Great Britain both instituted what were virtually complete bans on firearm possession.

Obama referenced the bans thus:

We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.

And Obama is not the only one who suggested taking a gun-free approach to American life. The anti-Second Amendment message was also pushed by Slate, Vox, and Dan Savage.

For example, on October 1 Slate ran a story reminding readers that Australia enacted their gun ban in response to an attack on April 28, 1996, wherein a gunman “opened fire on tourists in a seaside resort in Port Arthur, Tasmania.” Thirty-five were killed and 23 others wounded in the attack. Twelve days later Australia’s government banned guns, period.

On October 2 Vox explained that Australia “confiscated 650,000 guns” via a “mandatory gun buyback” program which forced gun owners to hand their firearms over for destruction. Vox claims the result was that “murders and suicides plummeted’ and suggested such a path might be an option for America following “the murder of at least 10 people at Umpqua Community College.”

Vox did not mention that “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” began plummeting in America in the mid-1990s as well. But in America, the decrease in violent crime did not correlate with a gun ban but with a rapid expansion in the number of guns privately owned. The Congressional Research Service reported that the number of privately owned firearms in America went from 192 million in 1994 to 310 million privately owned firearms in 2009. Subsequently, the “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate fell from 6.6 per 100,000 in 1993 to 3.6 per 100,000 in 2000 and finally to 3.2 per 100,000 in 2011.

posted March 28, 2016 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:

Show me video proof where Trump encourages violence at his rallies. Until you do, you are merely repeating the mantra of the lies that the left feeds you.

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I'm going by what I saw with my own eyes, hun. Not by hearsay. You are the blind one here.

The compilation of his violent comments begins @ the 3:34 mark - in case you don't care to watch the entire thing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuTe_sAI-UQ

posted March 28, 2016 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
He has an irrational fear of Obama and creates fairy tale reasons to hate the man. Plain and simple.

Again...why is attempting to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics a bad thing? Ridiculous.

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Prosecuting gun crime and making data available can only be interpreted as gun restriction by an invalid.