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Topic: Is Donald Trump the new Hitler?
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LoadedPistil Moderator Posts: 3195 From: NJ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted March 28, 2016 06:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Show me video proof where Trump encourages violence at his rallies.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-knock-the-crap-out-of-tomato-throwers/2016/02/01/1d1fe1e2-c92b-11e5-b9ab-26591104bb19_video.html ------------------ Leo ♌️ Sun, (2nd House), Venus (3nd House) Scorpio ♏ Moon,Mars,Saturn (5th House) Cancer ♋ Rising Svâtî Nakshatra IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4829 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 28, 2016 06:53 PM
I love where he says he'd like to punch him himself. I doubt Trump has ever thrown a punch in his life hence the verbal bullying... an actual punch is punishable by law but incitement is not..And as it went down the guy who punched an innocent black man for being there asked for legal help and the Dumpster claimed his (recorded) offer was never made. Of course if he made good on that Promise (he used the P word) he would be legally liable, tho there's no law against breaking promises Sterling. As is his repetition of how great the old days were when giving someone the "bad finger" would get a person clobbered. We know cos we watched the tv westerns, right? IP: Logged |
LoadedPistil Moderator Posts: 3195 From: NJ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted March 28, 2016 07:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Catalina: I love where he says he'd like to punch him himself. I doubt Trump has ever thrown a punch in his life hence the verbal bullying... an actual punch is punishable by law but incitement is not..And as it went down the guy who punched an innocent black man for being there asked for legal help and the Dumpster claimed his (recorded) offer was never made. Of course if he made good on that Promise (he used the P word) he would be legally liable, tho there's no law against breaking promises Sterling. As is his repetition of how great the old days were when giving someone the "bad finger" would get a person clobbered. We know cos we watched the tv westerns, right?
Actually, breech of contract is against the law. If he doesn't pay, and he's sued, the case would have merit. ------------------ Leo ♌️ Sun, (2nd House), Venus (3nd House) Scorpio ♏ Moon,Mars,Saturn (5th House) Cancer ♋ Rising Svâtî Nakshatra IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 83910 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 28, 2016 11:20 PM
Why don't you read them, Cat, and tell me?IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 83910 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 29, 2016 07:42 AM
What do you think happens to protesters at Obama outings? The Secret Service isn't kind about it. BTW, if you throw a tomato, that's a battery. In most jurisdictions, you are legally allowed to punch someone to defend yourself from a battery.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 83910 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 29, 2016 08:04 AM
Trump has a big mouth. He should be more tactful. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 83910 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 29, 2016 01:33 PM
Ultimately, I don't have to agree with everything someone says or does to vote for that person. I'm sure Obama supporters don't agree with everything Obama has done. For example, making himself judge, jury, and executioner by using drone attacks to murder Muslims suspected of terrorism without a trial--like the father and son he killed a while back. Or maybe you do agree with that. Be aware that Obama is a Trilateral Commission appointee like all the rest. Trump isn't. And if you don't know what the Trilateral agenda is, then you might want to research it, so you know who and what you support.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 83910 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 29, 2016 01:53 PM
I'm surprised at how people can't read and comprehend what something simply states.Restrict: To confine or keep within limits, as of space, action, choice, intensity, or quantity. Directs the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to require any business that engages in the sale of guns to obtain a federal license to do so and conduct background checks. This requirement applies to gun stores, sellers of guns at gun shows, and sellers of guns over the Internet. The licensing requirement applies to all sellers “engaged in the business” of selling guns, regardless of how frequent or how many sales there are. Failure to obtain a license to sell will carry criminal penalties of up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000. Failure to conduct a required background check will also carry penalties. [THIS IS A RESTRICTION, AND AN ESPECIALLY UNDUE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP ON SMALL BUSINESS AND GUN SHOWS.] Though I agree with preventing the mentally ill from obtaining firearms, all of the related EOs are guess what? Restrictions! Duh! Directs the departments of Defense, Justice and Homeland Security to conduct or sponsor research into gun safety technology that would reduce the likelihood of accidental discharge or unauthorized use of a firearm. Requires that a strategy for real-world deployment of this technology be prepared within 90 days. [THIS COST WILL BE PASSED ON TO THE CONSUMER, AND SO THIS IS A RESTRICTION ON WHO WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD A GUN.] Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds. [The word "limits" says it all. The purist's definition of restriction exemplified. So, I can only have ten rounds now?] IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4829 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 29, 2016 03:59 PM
No because that is not in any of the EOs. Congress woukd have to pass such a ban...and the first President to request/suggest such a ban was the almighty Reagan. Who also wanted ALL internet gun sales banned.You need a license to sell cigarettes so what? If you think a license is going to raise the cost of guns considerably you are exaggerating sonewhat the impact. Where do criminals get their guns? From unlicensed sources generally, and places where they are not recorded. You seem to equate desire to record sales and missing guns with a restrictive measure. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 83910 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 29, 2016 07:58 PM
That's exactly what a restriction is. But I knew I was wasting my time, since you couldn't see it for yourself.IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 29, 2016 10:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by Catalina: You need a license to sell cigarettes so what? If you think a license is going to raise the cost of guns considerably you are exaggerating sonewhat the impact.
New federal regulations were concurrent with a price hike in cigarettes...and maybe there is causality? It wouldn't shock me. quote: The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (also known as the FSPTC Act) was signed into law by President Barack Obama on June 22, 2009. This bill changed the scope of tobacco policy in the United States by giving the FDA the ability to regulate tobacco products, similar to how it has regulated food and pharmaceuticals since the passing of the Pure Food and Drug Act in 1906.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_tobacco_by_the_U.S._Food_and_Drug_Administration http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/tables/economics/infographics/ IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 29, 2016 10:53 PM
Looks like the price really started going up around 2003. quote: On October 12, 2003, the State of California enacted the Cigarette and Tobacco Products Licensing Act (Assembly Bill 71 [Chapter 890, Statutes 2003]) (Act) which established a statewide licensing program under Division 8.6 (commencing with section 22970) of the California Business and Professions Code. The Act imposed licensing requirements on all retailers, wholesalers, and distributors of cigarettes and tobacco products and all manufacturers and importers of cigarettes. These licensing requirements are in addition to the permits and licenses that may be required depending on your business operations. The Act, intended to decrease tax evasion on the sales of cigarettes and tobacco products in California, also included provisions for new recordkeeping requirements, inspection and seizure of any untaxed cigarettes or tobacco products, and imposed civil and criminal penalties for violations.
http://www.boe.ca.gov/sptaxprog/spctlicact03.htm I'm having a hard time finding when each state began licensing, but I suppose California's timing is highly relevant here. quote: California, the most populous state, contains more people than the 21 least populous states combined.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 29, 2016 10:57 PM
For the record I haven't read Randall or Cata's whole argument and don't mean for my fact-checking to be construed as anything other than fact-checking.
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LoadedPistil Moderator Posts: 3195 From: NJ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted March 30, 2016 09:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: I'm surprised at how people can't read and comprehend what something simply states.Restrict: To confine or keep within limits, as of space, action, choice, intensity, or quantity. Directs the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to require any business that engages in the sale of guns to obtain a federal license to do so and conduct background checks. This requirement applies to gun stores, sellers of guns at gun shows, and sellers of guns over the Internet. The licensing requirement applies to all sellers “engaged in the business” of selling guns, regardless of how frequent or how many sales there are. Failure to obtain a license to sell will carry criminal penalties of up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000. Failure to conduct a required background check will also carry penalties. [THIS IS A RESTRICTION, AND AN ESPECIALLY UNDUE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP ON SMALL BUSINESS AND GUN SHOWS.] Though I agree with preventing the mentally ill from obtaining firearms, all of the related EOs are guess what? Restrictions! Duh!
Directs the departments of Defense, Justice and Homeland Security to conduct or sponsor research into gun safety technology that would reduce the likelihood of accidental discharge or unauthorized use of a firearm. Requires that a strategy for real-world deployment of this technology be prepared within 90 days. [THIS COST WILL BE PASSED ON TO THE CONSUMER, AND SO THIS IS A RESTRICTION ON WHO WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD A GUN.] Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds. [The word "limits" says it all. The purist's definition of restriction exemplified. So, I can only have ten rounds now?]
Hate to break it to you. Background checks were already mandatory. What he did was change the fine. Stop trying to be a fake legal analyst right away and actually research the whole situation first. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 30, 2016 10:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by LoadedPistil: Hate to break it to you. Background checks were already mandatory. What he did was change the fine. Stop trying to be a fake legal analyst right away and actually research the whole situation first.
Mandatory under certain conditions, you forgot to say. And Obama did more than change the fine. Research: quote: Directs the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to require any business that engages in the sale of guns to obtain a federal license to do so and conduct background checks. This requirement applies to gun stores, sellers of guns at gun shows, and sellers of guns over the Internet. The licensing requirement applies to all sellers “engaged in the business” of selling guns, regardless of how frequent or how many sales there are. Failure to obtain a license to sell will carry criminal penalties of up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.
Previously: quote: PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'Our findings show that there is, in fact, an exemption in the law. But the exemption pertains to who sells the guns rather than where they sell them. 1. Federally licensed gun sellers are required to run background checks. But not all sellers are required to be licensed. Some of those unlicensed sellers sell at gun shows. Federal law requires that persons who are engaged in the business of dealing in firearms be licensed by the federal government. Obama’s goal with his new plan is to tighten the screws on who is included in that group. Announced Jan. 5, Obama’s plan requires those in the business of dealing in firearms -- including sellers at stores, gun shows and on the Internet -- get a license. Once they’re licensed, they are required to conduct background checks on all buyers. But private sellers without a federal license don’t have to meet the same requirement. Though this exception is often referred to as the "gun show loophole," it actually applies more broadly to unlicensed individuals, whether they are selling at a gun show or somewhere else. (Some states have implemented their own background check requirement beyond federal law.)
Read more...http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/07/pol itifact-sheet-3-things-know-about-gun-show-loop/ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 83910 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 31, 2016 12:47 AM
Thanks, Faith. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2016 01:01 PM
You're welcome.IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 10621 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 30, 2016 08:31 AM
Catalina said: quote: HE IS NOT AS STUPID OR VULGAR AS HE HAS BEEN ACTING THROUGH this campaign. It's a conscious device and apparently he is gradually leaving it behind as he gets more delegates. Meanwhile the crass fearful bigots of the country are feeling justified in following their belligerent instincts.
Now that he has ahem "softened", are his belligerents left hanging in the wind? Right Ms. Sarah Palin? quote: Sarah Palin, a former GOP vice presidential nominee and reality television star who has endorsed him, initially blasted Trump for statements that were “not consistent with the stringent position and message” of his primary campaign.“If Mr. Trump were to go down a path of wishy-washy positions taken on things that the core foundation of his support has so appreciated, and that is respecting our Constitution and respecting law and order in America, then yeah, there would be massive disappointment,” Palin said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal Thursday.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-immigration-hardliners-are-reacting -to-confusion-over-donald-trumps-stance/ ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 10254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 30, 2016 10:53 AM
Hahaha Let's get real here. The Trump is Hitler meme is absurd. Trump is an uber capitalist. Hitler was a Socialist who, along with his bully boy Nazi Socialists gloried in their National Socialism and even named their political party....The National Socialist German Workers' Party! As for the twaddle that Trump is a fascist, it's nonsense. Hitler's running mate, Benito Mussolini, another Socialist, established his political party in Italy with the name...Nationalist Fasci di Combattimento, otherwise known as "The Fascist Party". I understand Citizens of the World panting to merge America into a world wide Socialist Gulag run by the UN or some other organization of bumbling, bungling incompetent boobs but just because Trump is an America and American First candidate, that doesn't make him either a Hitlerite or a Fascist. He's neither. Just as a matter of idle curiosity, what would you expect in an AMERICAN PRESIDENT? America Last? Mexico, China, Japan, Vietnam, Russia..the world FIRST? If so, you are undoubtedly an Obama and/or Hillary The Corrupt supporter. Guess what? I'm not. I'm a..."neither of the above" and Trump is about as far from The Marxist Messiah, Obama and Hillary The Corrupt as it's possible to get. Trump has been called lots of names. Among them: Racist Bigot Bully Misogynist Fraud Fake Phony Dangerous Destructive Unprincipled Democrat Hitlerite Fascist Time now to reach for a new name for Donald Trump. Let's try "Mr. President" on for size! lalalinda mirage IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 10621 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 31, 2016 05:24 PM
Guess that answered lalalindas question.------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 10254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2016 10:58 AM
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 10604 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 02, 2016 05:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop:
Trump has been called lots of names. Among them:
Racist Bigot Bully Misogynist Fraud Fake Phony Dangerous Destructive Unprincipled Hitlerite Fascist
All of those fit. Your own suggestion doesn't. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 10254 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2016 12:17 PM
We wouldn't be having this disagreement teasel...if you took off your Hillary The Corrupt shades. lalalinda IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4829 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 11, 2016 06:11 PM
One needn't like Clinton to find Drumpf unsuitable. The majority of voters dislike both! Should he win I think their will be a lot of disappointed conservatives when they realize how much they overlooked while drooling about having a Strongman for President... like his predilection for Universal Healthcare... 😄 IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 10604 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 19, 2017 04:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: We wouldn't be having this disagreement teasel...if you took off your Hillary The Corrupt shades. lalalinda
I was looking for something else, and found this. I love lalalinda, and didn't want to bump a controversial thread, but we wouldn't have been having that argument if you hadn't defended a sexual predator, and a white supremacist. IP: Logged |