posted May 15, 2016 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

There's no question of left or right in this way in the world anymore, considering that both the "left" - which led to socialism/communism, and the "right" - which led to fascism are outdated, retrograde, compromised concepts. No one wants or believes in lefts and rights anymore.

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To me you raise a good point here : the end of the traditional divide between left and right.

A new one, or several new divides will emerge, I can see some of them but won't develop as I want to walk silently around a sleeping big brother.

...but ... The tremendous power over our personal lives given to governments by new technologies should make enlightened citizens choose carefully who they give this power to.

posted May 22, 2016 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Most here don't like Trump (offhand, I can only think of 3, maybe 4, at LL who cheer him on, and many more who are shocked and dismayed by his popularity). Most Americans who don't like Trump know better than to try to engage in a rational conversation with his most vocal supporters. (I have been tempted to "organize the points against him" in Global Unity where it's clearly explained in a non-rambling and non-emotional way, but I just simply haven't had the time.)

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posted June 01, 2016 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

It's the center, the norm, if you want to look at it from the right left center perspective, the fact that some people believe that equal rights/treatment for minorities or genders, public healthcare, refugees integration represent "socialist" measures sounds very weird to most people in Europe.

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It sounds very weird to a lot of people in the U.S. too.

And I think you make an important point that Europe has experienced both the authoritarianism of Communism and the authoritarianism of Fascism, both of which has not been experienced directly in the U.S.

But we are experiencing the authoritarianism of the controlling corporate oligarchy and the radical-religious-right, the latter of which has gained control at the local and state level in many parts of the U.S. The process has been so gradual most people don't realize it is happening, and/or don't care because they believe the blatant lies and over-simplified hogwash they hear from media like Fox News.

While I do believe the U.S., in general, has become more socially liberal in some ways, there has been a huge backlash among the extreme right-wing so-called Christians who want to shove their religion down the throats of the rest of us. It is ironic that they don't want the government interfering in their lives, but have no problem if the government forces their religion on the rest of us, in direct contradiction to the Constititution.

What comes out of Trump's mouth is so ignorant, vile, violent, and disgusting I am horrified that any sentient being would vote for him. There are apparently a lot more racists/misogynists/haters in the U.S. than I had thought. It is baffling.

posted June 01, 2016 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
It sounds very weird to a lot of people in the U.S. too.

And I think you make an important point that Europe has experienced both the authoritarianism of Communism and the authoritarianism of Fascism, both of which has not been experienced directly in the U.S.

But we are experiencing the authoritarianism of the controlling corporate oligarchy and the radical-religious-right, the latter of which has gained control at the local and state level in many parts of the U.S. The process has been so gradual most people don't realize it is happening, and/or don't care because they believe the blatant lies and over-simplified hogwash they hear from media like Fox News.

While I do believe the U.S., in general, has become more socially liberal in some ways, there has been a huge backlash among the extreme right-wing so-called Christians who want to shove their religion down the throats of the rest of us. It is ironic that they don't want the government interfering in their lives, but have no problem if the government forces their religion on the rest of us, in direct contradiction to the Constititution.

What comes out of Trump's mouth is so ignorant, vile, violent, and disgusting I am horrified that any sentient being would vote for him. There are apparently a lot more racists/misogynists/haters in the U.S. than I had thought. It is baffling.

Anyone who ignores the horrible things he says because they think he is not part of the power structure and is for the little guy is, well, naive at best.

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posted June 02, 2016 01:57 PM            

Donald is as far from the little guy as I am from the South Pole, not sure why anyone would believe that, unless they are looking for some excuses to vote for him.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted June 04, 2016 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Long time no see, Delilah how are you? Thank you for the comments, and thank you too, Pire and Catalina

Donald is as far from the little guy as I am from the South Pole, not sure why anyone would believe that, unless they are looking for some excuses to vote for him.

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I've been dealing with some health issues, but I'm good! I lurk quite a bit; miss seeing you on the Interpersonal board.

posted June 04, 2016 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I've been dealing with some health issues, but I'm good! I lurk quite a bit; miss seeing you on the Interpersonal board.

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posted June 13, 2016 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
People like him because he isn't a mind contolled illuminati poltician and will never be because he is a self made man. If you haven't noticed, politicians in America have never been concerned from their hearts about America and its true divine future and Trump represents hope that we haven't seen before in terms of taking the power away from the people who control the world.

What is so disturbing about that?

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posted June 13, 2016 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
some people mistake loud, rude, crude, cheeky characters for power and strength.

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posted June 20, 2016 02:02 AM            

Did you notice the controversy with Trump's comments about the "Mexican" Judge and his Muslim comments concerning Orlando?
We are now hearing about GOP delegates wanting to opt out with a “conscience clause”.
The tides are changing for Donald
I suspect the culprit is his N Uranus which is conjunct his N. Sun.

This all happened in the week leading up to his birthday so astrologically the transiting planets were getting into position and triggering aspects in his Natal chart.
this includes T Saturn which is opposing his Gemini planets and will later conjunct his N Moon.

I'm watching his twitter feed.

Please Ms Juni don't send this to the Astro forum

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posted June 20, 2016 08:17 AM            

The washington Post has a good read on this subject ^.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dozens-of-gop-delegates-launch-new-push-to-halt-donald-trump/2016/06/17/e8dcf74e-3491-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html

No worries lala , this thread is ripe enough right here

If you have the time, share snippets of his twitter feed?? The more rope he is given, the quicker he will hang himself.

posted June 23, 2016 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
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posted June 24, 2016 10:17 AM            

Memo to all the Comrades who find support for Donald Trump..."Distrubing".

You'd do well to see to your own business. Your little Socialist Gulag in Europe is falling apart.

The Peasants Are Revolting – Disconnected Political Institutions Meet Their Monster Voters…
Posted on June 24, 2016
sundance

To say the last 24 hours have been historic could most certainly be an understatement. However, we can be certain a wounded global media will put every possible liberal, progressive, multicultural and socialist voice onto television and into print to push back against the visible rise of a growing nationalist sentiment.

HELLO, HELLO, HELLO!
CAN YOU HEAR US NOW!

What has happened with the U.K. referendum is going to send reverberations around the globe; but this outcome should not come as a complete surprise to most CTH readers. What happened in Great Britain is the visible rise of their national Monster Vote.

People from across political parties, conservative (Tory) and democrat (Labour), joined together to unite against the institutional political systems (EU) who construct the rules of their lives without the consent of the governed.

When you recognize the bipartisan nature of the Brexit coalition, you remove the political shroud and begin to get down to brass tacks.

This same structural defect, born of self-centered political Oligarchs, exists in the U.S. political system and we call it the UniParty.

Progressive leaders from both Democrat and Republican parties working in concert to deliver the legislative priorities of the group who funds them, Wall Street.

The representative image of the sentiment behind the U.K. LEAVE campaign exists in the United States in the presidential candidate Donald Trump. Trump supporters are essentially anti-globalists, much like the U.K. nationalists were/are anti-European Union.

Almost identical issues confront both electorates: Trade, Immigration, and the demand for a representative political voice that looks out for their best interest. The EU is essentially a bureaucratic open-border political system, where they consider themselves the enlightened ones – and the citizenry of the various EU nations represent pawns to be governed by the elitists’ magnanimity.

You can just as easily transpose the mind-set within Brussels as an overlay of the same disconnected political outlook seen in Washington DC. Two bureaucracies governing despite the will of the electorate, not on their behalf.

And make no mistake in the analogy, the overarching globalist views of the political elites within the EU and within Washington DC are essentially the same.

The uprising against this political outlook cuts across both parties in the U.S. just like it did within the U.K.

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump supporters have a commonality in the identification of the problem, the divergence is within the solution. When this aspect is understood, we begin to see the possibility of, and attraction to, cross-party voters who support Donald Trump.

It’s the system, the institutional political system, that is fundamentally flawed.

Almost no-one within the system has the capability to deconstruct the problems because they are systemic and structural. This structural issue is easily represented by the opposition to Donald Trump found within both the Democrat and Republican parties. This structural issue is what also binds the largest potential voting block, the Monster Vote.

Against the overwhelming scope of the unified affiliation, the progressive media are forced to work overtime in their attempts to prop-up the corporate interests attached to the political body. This is why the media predictions are also disconnected from the outcomes.

In an effort to retain relevance, the mainstream corporate media is forced to “gaslight” their audience with increasingly transparent falsehoods, manipulation, willful blindness and intentional deception. However, there are ongoing signs surfacing which show the scope of the American common sense electorate.

There simply are more of us than them and there’s only so much the media can continue to do to try and hide that reality. In addition we are tuned in to the schemes and techniques used to manufacture the Potemkin village they seek to build around us.

Often people ask what they can do to help further the awakening electorate. One of the most important activities is to learn to spot the gaslighting efforts, spot the deception, and then teach your friends and family if they fall victim.

If we are going to defeat the Globalists we must give our team the tools to see through media propaganda. Simultaneously, we must make a conscious effort to keep a positive outlook and boost the morale of those around us.