posted August 26, 2016 08:22 PM            

I perceive from your comments that you're sure not a conservative and you're sure not a liberal and you're sure not a libertarian. That leaves "leftist".

As for what you're "tired of" and considering she's your "friend", perhaps you should have a discussion with your "friend" and tell her to focus on policy issues and lay off the personal attacks. That should take care of what you're "tired of".

posted August 26, 2016 08:33 PM            

You seem very un-Virgo like. Virgo's don't jump into a fray without knowing what they're talking about. Virgo's are clear thinking and analytical, which you're not. One more thing. Virgo's aren't stubborn..unless they have "facts" to back up what they're saying, which you don't.

posted August 26, 2016 09:11 PM            

The Clinton Corruption hasn't ceased, it's just gotten much bigger with bigger bribes as those wanting something from the US government paid Bill huge speaking fees and donated millions to the Clinton Foundation...and got what they wanted from an agency of the government Hillary oversaw, The State Dept. One such bribery scheme cleared the decks for a consortium led by Putin to acquire about 25% of American Uranium production. Uranium, a strategic mineral. That consortium paid Bill $750,000 for a speech and made millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation and Hillary The Corrupt paid off like a slot machine for Putin. We call that bribery/Pay to Play and there's lots of politicians who went to prison for their participation.

The Clinton Scandal That Still Matters Is Not the One You Think
Stephen Lam
Marc Joffe
February 2, 2016

The Clinton era of the 1990s is remembered as a prosperous time punctuated by a series of scandals. Today, we tend to dismiss these scandals as irrelevant because they mostly involved sex, were exaggerated by partisan Republicans and were mostly related to actions taken by Bill Clinton, who will not be on the 2016 ballot. But sweeping away all this history deprives voters of the chance to consider a largely forgotten financial scandal that directly involved Hillary Clinton during 1978 and 1979.

Under the guidance of an attorney representing Tyson Foods, Hillary Clinton made a $98,540 profit from a $1,000 initial investment in less than one year trading commodity futures. While $98,540 may not seem like much money relative to the Clinton family’s wealth today, it exceeded Bill and Hillary’s combined annual income at the time.

When this story was revealed in the spring of 1994, Hillary Clinton’s press secretary suggested that the enormous profit was the result of the First Lady’s own research — but the Tyson-linked attorney, James Blair, admitted that he advised Clinton when to buy and sell the futures. Further, there was no evidence that Clinton had previously traded in commodity futures or knew much about the market.

Careful readers at the time also learned that Clinton’s initial trading also had a serious irregularity. Unlike stock investments, commodity futures are almost always purchased with high levels of margin, meaning that the investor is using a substantial proportion of money borrowed from the broker to control positions. Exchanges and regulators typically require investors to keep a minimum amount of cash in their futures accounts to avoid getting into a negative position if futures prices move in the wrong direction. In Hillary Clinton’s case, her $1,000 initial investment was well below the $12,000 deposit required by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for the first trades she executed. So not only did Hillary make an extraordinary profit for a novice investor, she did so without following the rules applied to less well-connected traders.

By the time the so-called “cattle futures” scandal fell out of the headlines, readers of The New York Times and Washington Post — mainstream outlets that both extensively reported the story — were left with the impression that Hillary’s trading activity was suspicious. But, since Hillary was not an elected official, the scandal was eclipsed by bimbo eruptions and the Whitewater Affair, both involving the president himself.

It also was not much of an issue in 2008 — but that was before the federal government started bailing out banks and other big corporations. In the aftermath of TARP and other widely reported instances of crony capitalism, Clinton’s behavior back in 1978 and 1979 warrants further scrutiny.

The factor that makes the cattle futures scandal relevant is that Hillary Clinton received her trading advice from Tyson Food’s outside counsel. Tyson was a major agricultural producer in Arkansas and had numerous issues that Attorney General and later Governor Bill Clinton could affect.

One such issue involved enforcement of environmental regulations affecting Tyson’s chicken-processing plants. It can be costly for factory farmers to properly dispose of chicken manure, but the failure to do so can cause serious damage. This was demonstrated by an incident at the company’s Green Forest plant in northwest Arkansas. As The New York Times reported in March 1994:

In 1977, the state pollution control agency reissued the license for Tyson's Green Forest plant on the condition that the company meet with city officials to work out a plan for treating its wastes. But the state never enforced the order, and in May 1983, the waste from the plant seeped into the town's drinking water. Residents became ill, and 15 months later Governor Clinton declared the town a disaster area.

So it is possible to link Tyson’s support for the Clintons to water contamination, an ironic circumstance given Hillary Clinton’s criticism of Governor Rick Snyder’s handling of the Flint water crisis.

The Times also reported, “During Mr. Clinton's tenure in Arkansas, Tyson benefited from a variety of state actions, including $9 million in government loans, the placement of company executives on important state boards and favorable decisions on environmental issues.”

Tyson appears to have obtained these results for what looks like a bribe delivered though Hillary Clinton’s commodities account. To quote the company’s former chairman: politics is “a series of unsentimental transactions between those who need votes and those who have money.”

This perspective should provide cause for concern today, since Hillary Clinton made $2.9 million in speaking fees from large financial institutions between 2013 and 2015. That total includes $675,000 from the much reviled Goldman Sachs. One is left to wonder whether Goldman and the other financial industry behemoths stand to gain any transactional benefits for their money.

posted August 26, 2016 09:54 PM            

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teasel
I don't care who she was talking about. She claims to abhor personal attacks...but she doesn't.

I perceive from your comments that you're sure not a conservative and you're sure not a liberal and you're sure not a libertarian. That leaves "leftist".

As for what you're "tired of" and considering she's your "friend", perhaps you should have a discussion with your "friend" and tell her to focus on policy issues and lay off the personal attacks. That should take care of what you're "tired of".

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Why don't you lay off the personal attacks, if they're that offensive to you?

I'm an Aries, so I DO jump into the fray. I normally stay out of it here, because I'm used to you, but she has every right to give her opinion - just as much as you do.

posted August 26, 2016 11:34 PM            

I didn't say personal attacks offend me. It's you leftists who wheeze, whine and screech about personal attacks...while you're launching...personal attacks out of the other side of your mouths. It's your hypocrisy that offends me.

So you're an Aries. Is that supposed to frighten me? I'm Mars in Aries, Scorp Rising and 3rd Decan Leo Sun, the Aries Decan.

posted August 27, 2016 12:00 AM            

It's comical watching Hillary The Corrupt try to hang the KKK around Trump's neck, considering her close association with the Grand Poobah of the Klan, democrat Senator Robert KKK Byrd.

Hillary has another close association with segregationists. Bill's political mentor was Senator J. William Fulbright who fought tooth and nail along with Senator Albert Gore..senior to defeat the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act of 1964 and 1965.

Funny that none of the political activists posing as journalists ever ask Hillary about her close associations with Klan members and segregationists.

For all the loony-tunes leftists who call Trump a racist, it was Donald Trump who insisted on accepting African Americans and Jews at his South Florida golf course in the 1990s. Yeah, right, Trump's a racist.

Trump INSISTED on including Jews and blacks at Palm Beach golf course in 1990s
July 5, 2016
Robert Romano

“When Donald opened his club in Palm Beach called Mar-a-Lago, he insisted on accepting Jews and blacks even though other clubs in Palm Beach to this day discriminate against blacks and Jews. The old guard in Palm Beach was outraged that Donald would accept blacks and Jews so that’s the real Donald Trump that I know.”

That was author Ronald Kessler in a July 2015 interview with Newsmax, talking about Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump’s business practices when it came to building a golf course in the Deep South.

In the 1990s, Trump was running into a problem getting his golf course approved by the local town council in Palm Beach, which was imposing restrictions on his bid.

So Trump shot back with maximum effect. As reported by the Washington Post’s Mary Jordan and Rosalind Helderman on Nov. 14, 2015: “Trump undercut his adversaries with a searing attack, claiming that local officials seemed to accept the established private clubs in town that had excluded Jews and blacks while imposing tough rules on his inclusive one.”

The Washington Post report continues, “Trump’s lawyer sent every member of the town council copies of two classic movies about discrimination: ‘A Gentleman’s Agreement,’ about a journalist who pretends to be Jewish to expose anti-Semitism, and ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’ about a white couple’s reaction to their daughter bringing home a black fiancé.”

Sometimes, in judging the character of an individual, it pays to see what people actually do when nobody’s really paying attention. When it came to segregation in the South at private, all-white country clubs, it might have been in Trump’s business interests to simply look the other way. Instead, Trump did the right thing and insisted on desegregation at his golf resort.

And he won.

Soon thereafter, the local restrictions were lifted and, today, the golf course is open and remains inclusive.

It remains a point of pride for Trump, who boasted about the golf resort in a 2015 interview, “Whether they love me or not, everyone agrees the greatest and most important place in Palm Beach is Mar-a-Lago. I took this ultimate place and made it incredible and opened it, essentially, to the people of Palm Beach. The fact that I owned it made it a lot easier to get along with the Palm Beach establishment.”

At the time in 1997, then-Anti-Defamation League President Abraham Foxman praised Trump for elevating the issue of discrimination at private clubs, telling the Wall Street Journal, “He put the light on Palm Beach. Not on the beauty and the glitter, but on its seamier side of discrimination. It has an impact.” Foxman credited Trump’s move with encouraging other clubs in Palm Beach to do the same as Mar-a-Lago in opening up.

That’s the real Donald Trump. The one who dealt with a real problem to do with discrimination on race and religion in Palm Beach long before he was ever seeking public office by confronting a local planning board over its exclusive policies, determined he would do things differently.
http://truthfeed.com/trump-insisted-on-including-jews-and-blacks-at-palm-beach-golf-course-in-1990s-when-others-didnt/10528/

posted August 27, 2016 09:34 AM            

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support right now among African-Americans is abysmal. In the latest Pew Research Poll, he had a 2 percent approval rating among African-Americans.

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posted August 27, 2016 09:41 AM            

Bill Clinton made insensitive ‘race jab’ about Obama in 2008
Leonard Greene
September 3, 2012

Bill Clinton made insensitive ‘race jab’ about Obama in 2008
HE SAID WHAT?!

Bill Clinton allegedly once said of Barack Obama, “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

The author of the article, Ryan Lizza, said he he heard about the comment from legendary NBC newsman Tim Russert, who died in 2008.

The reported comment was similar to one attributed to Clinton in a 2010 book.

posted August 27, 2016 10:49 AM            

Are you really that dense? My comment had nothing to do with you "agreeing with me". In fact, if YOU did agree with me, I'd have to reassess my positions.

What I said was...you will be attacked personally with the same vigor you attack others...personally. Do you know the difference between a "personal attack" against ones appearance, intelligence, physical attributes, character et., al., and strong disagreement with the proposed national policies they espouse?

Like this...so we can end your confusion on this subject:

"I dislike/hate/despise Trump's proposal to lower Corporate and Individual tax rates. Under Trump's plan the very wealthy would pay less in taxes and Corporations would avoid paying their fair share to fund America's obligations for health care, education, roads, bridges and social welfare programs for the very needy. Trump's tax plan shifts the tax burden from the wealthy, who don't need a tax break, to the middle class who are struggling to make ends meet."

Further, economists say Trump's tax cut plans would cost the US Treasury tens of Trillions over the next 10 years. America can't afford Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy."
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"Donald Trump's plan to build a wall between the US and Mexico and deport 11 million undocumented visitors to America violates the Spirit of the United States. America is an inclusive society, not an exclusionary society. Undocumented immigrants do much of the work Americans won't do. If Trump deports the undocumented immigrants, who will pick the crops in our agricultural areas, who will clean our office buildings, who will babysit our children while we're at work earning a living? If Trump deports undocumented immigrants, food prices will rise and the cost of many goods and services will also rise.

Let's leave undocumented immigrants alone. They're paying their way and contributing to America.

Mexico has already said they're not going to pay for Trump's Wall on the Southern Border. By Trump's own estimates, that wall will cost about $11 Billion. With Trump's tax breaks for the rich, that means the middle class will have to pay for Trump's Wall with money they need for food, clothing, shelter and transportation.

I'm against Trump's immigration policies and Trump's wall."

Easy-Peasey!