posted August 27, 2016 11:57 AM            

Paraphrasing here:
"Trump is a racist, bigoted right wing fundamentalist, homophobic, climate denying, misogynistic bully with a small intellect and a big wallet".

That's not debate Bluejay. That's a direct personal attack against the character and essence of the being of Donald Trump. It also doesn't lead to any useful exchange of ideas. Those who insist on using this kind of hyperbolic, rhetorical BS can and should expect to receive lots of incoming fire directed straight at them. I'm surprised to see you condoning this kind of personal attack.

These are the kinds of comments which lead to legitimate debate and exchange of ideas. Notice, I'm making the case opponents of Trump should be making.

"I dislike/hate/despise Trump's proposal to lower Corporate and Individual tax rates. Under Trump's plan the very wealthy would pay less in taxes and Corporations would avoid paying their fair share to fund America's obligations for health care, education, roads, bridges and social welfare programs for the very needy. Trump's tax plan shifts the tax burden from the wealthy, who don't need a tax break, to the middle class who are struggling to make ends meet."

Further, economists say Trump's tax cut plans would cost the US Treasury tens of Trillions over the next 10 years. America can't afford Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy."
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"Donald Trump's plan to build a wall between the US and Mexico and deport 11 million undocumented visitors to America violates the Spirit of the United States. America is an inclusive society, not an exclusionary society. Undocumented immigrants do much of the work Americans won't do. If Trump deports the undocumented immigrants, who will pick the crops in our agricultural areas, who will clean our office buildings, who will babysit our children while we're at work earning a living? If Trump deports undocumented immigrants, food prices will rise and the cost of many goods and services will also rise.

Let's leave undocumented immigrants alone. They're paying their way and contributing to America.

Mexico has already said they're not going to pay for Trump's Wall on the Southern Border. By Trump's own estimates, that wall will cost about $11 Billion. With Trump's tax breaks for the rich, that means the middle class will have to pay for Trump's Wall with money they need for food, clothing, shelter and transportation.

I'm against Trump's immigration policies and Trump's wall."
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This is the kind of comments we used to have on this forum. These types of comments lead to legitimate debate and a wholesome exchange of ideas and opinions.

As for me, I can go either way. For those who want flame wars, I can and will heat you up to incandescent temperatures real quick. But damn, if that's what other posters here want, then stop the whining, screeching and shrieking and keep in mind, you're on a 2 way street.

posted August 27, 2016 12:11 PM            

Why do you find it so difficult to make the connections?

posted August 27, 2016 12:16 PM            

From the gist of what you're saying, I must conclude flame war is your chosen method of communicating on this forum.

posted August 27, 2016 12:24 PM            

I already lit you up for calling Trump a racist. No need for overkill.

posted August 27, 2016 12:40 PM            

No, I'm definitely not Randall. Randall is a really nice guy and tolerant too.

posted August 27, 2016 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Hmmm Bluejay, let me remind you that this forum was set up for debate and the exchange of ideas about topical issues of the day, especially political issues. This forum was set up specifically to keep heated issues off the other forums and, it was set up that way long ago.

Paraphrasing here:
"Trump is a racist, bigoted right wing fundamentalist, homophobic, climate denying, misogynistic bully with a small intellect and a big wallet".

That's not debate Bluejay. That's a direct personal attack against the character and essence of the being of Donald Trump. It also doesn't lead to any useful exchange of ideas. "

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That's rich coming from someone who made these choice statements:

"Of course, leftists, not liberals, leftists are clinically insane..... What the "useful idiots" of Socialism don't understand is that after they've managed to manifest their little Socialist Mecca into reality, their usefulness is over. Their whining, thumb sucking, screeching, howling and shrieking gets them stood against a wall and shot. "

" For example, I don't discount the idea that the Marxist Messiah, O'Bomber is the most bungling, incompetent boob ever to infest the White House."

And this was directed at me -
There's lots of safe zones on LindaLand. This isn't one of those. All the wheezing, whining, screeching, howling and shrieking about sharp edged commentary here is a non starter.

Who's doing the whining and shrieking above, I ask.

posted August 27, 2016 05:08 PM            

Why is this so difficult for you to understand? It's not your personal opinion of Donald Trump that offends me.

posted August 27, 2016 05:41 PM            

"Yes, disturbing, to say the least. To us folks from elsewhere, this is a very strange phenomenon . Had no idea till a few days ago and now want to withdraw myself to a more sane universe."...Astro keene

Yes, Trump supporters live in an insane universe. Right Astro keen?

"OMG! Illuminati and Trump at polar opposites? Here I was thinking they belonged to the same parallel universe"...Astro keen

Right Astro keen, Trump is Illuminati.

"Politics is judgemental Orange. So, if one strongly disagrees with a presidential hopeful and know that he is irrational and bigoted, and that he would do great damage..."....Astro keen

Right Astro keen, Trump is irrational and bigoted and would do great damage. Thanks for pointing that out...AND furnishing the proof that what you say is true. In fact, you don't know any of that is true.

"Here's a video link from Huffington post on the things Trump and Obama say about women"...Astro keen

Thanks for the link to the lunatic political activist arm of the democrat party.

So, let's see Astro keen. Trump and/or his supporters are:

Living in an insane universe
Trump is Illuminati
Trump is irrational and bigoted.
So Astro keen, does that mean Trump's supporters are also irrational and bigoted...OR, merely deluded?

And, you're still wondering why your personal, insulting attacks on Trump drew incoming fire?

Since you wish to interject yourself into American politics, tell me where you live and I'll endeavor to find some issues in your country which require your immediate attention.

posted August 27, 2016 08:07 PM            

Hmmm juni, is that a first hand, eye witness report from you?

posted August 27, 2016 08:25 PM            

Not sure what you objected to in this quote Astro keen but if it was the statement leftists are "clinically insane, then this is for you.

Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill
Publishes extensive study on 'Psychological Causes of Political Madness'

Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.

“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”

While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.

Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”

Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
•creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
•satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
•augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
•rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”

posted August 28, 2016 01:56 AM            

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Freud and Foucault are dead, but their methods thrive. On the left, politics is not about debate; it’s about diagnosis. The Left has a storied history of transforming legitimate disagreement into mental illness. Utilizing his influence as director of the Institute of Psychiatry of the USSR Academy of Medical Sciences, Soviet psychiatrist Andrei Snezhnevsky propagated throughout the Soviet Union and its satellites the notion of “sluggish schizophrenia,” a condition from which, conveniently, thousands of Soviet dissidents happened to suffer. Opposing official government policy, pessimism, religious practice — all were symptoms of mental instability, the solution for which was incarceration in a mental hospital.

The People’s Republic of China continues the practice. In September, watchdog group Chinese Human Rights Defenders reported that a blogger critical of the government had been seized in his home and committed. Another activist apparently has been in psychiatric detention since 2007.

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To psychologize the question at issue in a debate is to remove it from the realm of debate altogether. That is why liberals are eager to explain their opponents’ positions as the work of psychological “mechanisms,” operating subconsciously or unconsciously, of which the opponent is unaware

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Obviously conservatives could employ this same practice. Dyson’s obsession with racial injustices they could blame on “querulous paranoia.” Blow’s concern about conservative “fear” they could explain as “persecutory delusions.”

But to do so would, besides being obviously false, serve no purpose. Ideas, proposals, platforms — the material of political progress — are refined in the clash. Reduced to expressions of hidden cognitive processes, ideas vanish. And if you think American politics is unhealthy now. . .

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