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jwhop
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posted July 27, 2016 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So how many American citizens are you willing to sacrifice on the alter of political correctness? We're a nation of about 315 million people. What percentage of our population do you think is acceptable for Islamic terrorists to kill? 1%, 2, 3, 4, 5%...before we say enough?

I can see you need a refresher course in leftist discourse. You forgot half of the leftist talking points when interacting with a republican conservative. You are never to argue facts, never, ever because facts are not friends of leftists.

This is the leftist meme. In any disagreement with a republican conservative, this is the mantra you're supposed to adopt:

You're a hateful, bigoted, racist, homophobic, right wing fundamentalist, global warming denier, extremist. That's all you need to know to be a leftist superstar.

As for your statement, "I don't, for example, "discount" the whole of the USA as being bigoted and stupid...."

I'm not sure what you thought you were actually saying. But what you actually said is that, in your opinion, the whole of the USA IS bigoted and stupid.

For example, I don't discount the idea that the Marxist Messiah, O'Bomber is the most bungling, incompetent boob ever to infest the White House.

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posted July 27, 2016 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi JWHop,
This is a positive Spirit, when you said "We" for the Nation of 315 million. This kind of positivity from Trump is most welcome but it also means he should have a plan to prevent Ku Klux Klan types from pursuing a hate crime agenda. This is what I meant by Racist Attacks, like no one should go postal on African Americans or Indian Americans or Asian Americans just to celebrate a Trump victory.

315 million Americans includes Indians, Arab Muslims etc. Will Trump permit profiling of US Citizens who practice Islam? Clarity on such topics will create better political discourse.


As of now, Marxist "O Bomber" has protected more US Citizens in US Soil from Islamist Attacks than the Bush Regime, and he did capture and kill Osama. And the Dow Jones Index is booming under a "Marxist" President unlike the pathetic levels of a Capitlalist
Will Trump inspire a 100% Return on Dow Jones? Lets see.

I think Trump will beat Obama in terms of preventing loss of life in the US Army, and he will definitely protect US Citizens in US Soil.

But there is also the issue of his bonhomie with Russia, today he was goading Russia to help hack /find Hillary's missing emails.
If this were the 1950s, McCarthy would have gone berserk. The World has changed for sure but has it changed so much that USA under Trump becomes eventually allied to Putin's Russia?
Maybe it is a good idea for USA-Russia to be allied, for one thing, it would mean an end to a World Threatening Nuclear Conflict.

All facts considered, unless Team Hillary innovates at the grassroots level, I think Trump is winning this 52-48.

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posted July 27, 2016 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Maybe it is a good idea for USA-Russia to be allied, for one thing, it would mean an end to a World Threatening Nuclear Conflict.

Sadly, I disagree with that.An alliance under any other POTUS would be a positive move

BUT


Putin is a bully and so is Trump. I would speculate they would team up and try
to bully other countries to do their bidding.

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posted July 27, 2016 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Serious question. How is it a presidential candidate can call on another country to commit espionage against HIS OWN country and NOT be treason?

Nice try of Pence on attempting to soften the espionage urging statement but it is only one of many saves he will attempt.

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posted July 27, 2016 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose if one listens to the blithering, blathering, bloviating buffoons of the idiot press you would get the idea Trump is inviting Russia to hack into Hillary The Corrupt's server.

Not true. Hillary's server is in the hands of the FBI and has been for some time and no one is going to hack into it now. But, there's an excellent probability Russia or someone else already did hack Hillary the Corrupt's wide open server.

What Trump said was...hey Russia, if you can come up with Hillary's 33,000 emails she illegally deleted from her server, you'll be superstars in the eyes of the press.

Obviously, those 33,000 deleted emails are not on Hillary's server NOW and weren't when the FBI seized it.

No invitation to espionage against the United States.

This all started because Hillary's idiot campaign manager decided to distract people...and the press from the DNC scandal where it was revealed the DNC plotted and colluded against the candidacy of Bernie Sanders and accused Russia of hacking the DNC email system and released the emails to give Trump a boost. Of course, Mook is an idiot for making such accusations since not even the US intelligence services know who hacked the DNC email system.

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posted July 27, 2016 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Serious question. How is it a presidential candidate can call on another country to commit espionage against HIS OWN country and NOT be treason?

Nice try of Pence on attempting to soften the espionage urging statement but it is only one of many saves he will attempt.



Exactly!!

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posted July 27, 2016 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

I wonder what would happen if everyone simply stopped playing the voting game...

When the bankers have all governments in a stranglehold does it really matter anyway??

I don't believe any government has true power.

Voting validates their existence and keeps the game going. Those who have the "money" have the power. And you do not get to vote for them. They rule by default.
Voting for government is a decoy, keeps us all distracted from the real puppetmasters IMO.


This is my exact philosophy.

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posted July 27, 2016 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Does it strike you that writing off an entire region of the world based upon a few instances of terrorism is an extreme form of racism? I don't, for example, discount the whole of the USA as being bigoted and stupid based upon my knowledge of a few instances of very right-wing bigots. And these right-wing bigots are dangerous too. When in power, they think bombing other countries is an effective solution to many problems.

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posted July 28, 2016 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Putin is ex-KGB, he surely can manage Trump pretty well to ensure Russian dominance in Eurasia.

Trump cannot lose after the debates. Just watch, he will make this entire election a referendum on himself and win.

And The Donald just does not care about Russia or North Korea or Iran or Israel or IS or Syria. One thing is clear, he wants to insulate US working class from all challenging international trade deals and then bring back all the jobs lost to China, India and Japan. Surely stand up comedians like Stephen Colbert are going to increase their incomes in the next 4 years

He is not an Arms Dealer, he is a Real Estate guy. He should be able to bring all US Troops back home. That just might create the goodwill needed to ensure a peaceful phase with the end of a Uni-Polar World.


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posted July 28, 2016 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The idea that Putin can "manage" Trump is laughable at best and utter delusion at worst.

No one manages Trump. The entire menagerie of establishment, Globalist, New World Order lunatics tried and failed.

16 republican candidates tried and failed.

The entire lunatic press, composed of political activists tried and failed.

The reality is that Trump "managed" them all. They've been playing on Trump Field" since he entered the republican primary and set the agenda of issues and they all lost.

Trump set them all up and they fell into every trap Trump set. One by one, he's ripped the masks off their conniving, corrupt faces and stripped them bare in the political and financial spotlights.

Poor Hillary The Corrupt. Trump has already started in on her. If she weren't so utterly corrupt, I'd feel a bit sorry for her.

The Democrats’ Hack Attack
Jason Poblete
July 28, 2016

The Democratic National Convention is teetering on the verge of political disaster for the Clinton campaign. It opened with Debbie Wasserman-Shultz stepping down over the Wikileaks DNC e-mail hack. Despite Sanders’s best efforts, his core supporters are upset, more so since he delivered his endorsement of Hillary Clinton. Yelling and other chicanery on the floor have distracted many convention speakers. And, talking about speakers, the Democrats even highlighted a self-professed child abuser, Lena Dunham.

I’ve attended and worked at several Republican national conventions, and from a messaging standpoint, on that point, the Democratic convention has been unmanageable. They’ve had political crises every single day. If this is a pre-game show of what is in store for the fall, Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid is just about over. If they want to defeat Trump, they’ll need a whole lot more that recycled Clinton talking points from the 1990s and conspiracy theories. Yes, they’ve been engaging in X-Files-like spinning.

For example, the biggest political whopper I heard comes from former Secretary of State Madeline Albright blaming Russia for the DNC e-mail hack because, so says the Secretary and other Clinton operatives, the Russians want Trump to win. Rather than focus on what we know for certain, the lawbreakers over at WikiLeaks have taken credit for being involved in the matter, the Clinton “wag the dog” operation needs to distract the voters because the released data reinforces the narrative that Hillary Clinton is unfit to be the president.

Maybe the Russians did it but, engaging in some guessing of my own, so may have Bernie Sanders operatives seeking to do harm to the Clinton wing of the party. The latter seems to make a whole lot more political sense. Whatever it is, they never let a crisis go to waste and this is how they plan to win. One political takeaways quickly taking shape from this convention is that the Democratic Party is now America’s Socialist Party and they need to fool the voters long enough to win. After that, all bets are off. Obama and the Democratic Congress primed the pump, Hillary will seal the deals.

Even members of my once noble profession, lawyers, are heaping on the conspiracy theory that Trump is somehow connected to the Russian mob or government. The left-wing Brookings Institute, for example, has inked a paper insinuating that Trump is a Russian agent and even used the term, Manchurian candidate! The ghost of Alger Hiss is alive and well in this town for I have not seen the Left this paranoid since that time when Nixon was ridiculed by them for chasing down communist penetration of the U.S. government.

For now, all we know for certain, is that the DNC computer systems were compromised and those who did it should be held to account. But no matter who did it, who wrote the e-mail? DNC staff. Who was in charge in securing the server? DNC staff. Who failed the party, and the nation? DNC staff. Who led the DNC when this was happening? Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, an acolyte of the Clinton camp and staunch advocate for keeping the socialism train moving forward. Why did DNC staff engage in illegal activities that included offering ambassadorships and other presidential appointments in exchange for political donations?

The Left does not want to answer these questions so they are cooking up whatever they can, including bizarre statements about Trump and the Russians. They want to keep politicos and the media from focusing on the Hillary Clinton’s failed record, the corrupt Clinton Foundation, as well as the parallel State Department that was run out of the server in a closet in the Clinton’s home.
http://spectator.org/the-democrats-hack-attack/

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posted July 28, 2016 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, Obama eviscerated Hillary in the debates, and Trump destroyed all of his competition in the same manner, so what do you think Trump will do to her in the debates? Nothing will be off limits. She should be afraid. She should be very afraid.

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posted July 28, 2016 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people tend to view the world in simplistic terms and are given to wide sweeping generalisations.

I AM proudly LEFT leaning but I don't like Hilary. You can't see the LEFT as encompassing all that is Democrat. I like Marx but I don't agree with some of the things he says. Left leaning people generally have sharp critical faculties.

Did you see today's article in the Washington post? Trump seems to tell far more lies than Hilary. She looks like the lesser evil for the time being.

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posted July 31, 2016 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edited:

Mark Cuban, fellow billionaire [without the financial problems of The Donald] posted some stinging Tweets. If Putin is having so much data already on Hillary, what is he having on Trump which he will use at the appropriate time?

Some interesting articles on the Putin-Trump Bromance:
1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

The above has Trump Junior admitting to excessive investments from Russia.

2.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/30/donald-trump-paul-manafort-ukraine-russia-putin-ties

The Paul Manafort connection explained.

3. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing

The above has more insights on Trumps financial woes, and rescue from Russia, Kazakhistan etc.

The Donald may have to use another Trump Card to tackle the Game of Russian Roulette from 2017.

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posted July 31, 2016 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In spite of your bloviating attempts to link Trump to business investments in Russia, THERE ARE NONE. Additionally, Trump's son never said there are ANY. Which, btw, where is the quote by Trump's son laying out Trump's business investments in Russia. After making the allegation, did you forget to include it? Or, are you hiding behind the wording..."from Russia"? Are you suggesting Trump should refuse to sell apartments and condos to Russian citizens? How about citizens of India? Exclude them too? China, exclude them too?

So what's up with your disingenuous comments?

What's up with linking to a democrat mouthpiece like the Washington Compost? A paper composed of far left lunatic political activists without a journalist in sight?

A source whom Pew Poll respondents said they only believed 19% of what the Washington Post prints as "news" ...even lower than the 21% of respondents ascribed to the New York Times.

You're simply going to have to do a lot better than this if you hope to get Hillary The Corrupt elected. So must the Washington Compost, New York Times, LA Times and the rest of the lunatic leftist press who have abandoned any pretense of committing journalism.

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posted July 31, 2016 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop,

It's YOU again! Unmitigated aggression from you when one is trying to highlight that neither candidate is beyond reproach. Your adoration, nay worship of Trump defies belief. Talk about fundamentalism!! And anyone warranting an opinion on Trump which is not equally adoring is a lefty, and therefore damned, and unreliable even if the opinions are being voiced by bonafide journalists. You somehow know best.

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posted July 31, 2016 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's an old saying you should take to heart.

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

There's lots of safe zones on LindaLand. This isn't one of those. All the wheezing, whining, screeching, howling and shrieking about sharp edged commentary here is a non starter.

It's always fascinating to watch leftists try to shut up those with whom they disagree. As for me, I'm all for free speech, the more the better. I encourage leftists to blather on. Their empty rhetoric is instructive to lots of people who read here but don't necessarily comment.

Btw, are you whining about micro-aggressions or macro-aggressions?

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posted August 01, 2016 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'All the wheezing, whining, screeching, howling and shrieking"

Well described. Yes, this is a dirty space.

Randall, presumably, will tolerate your invective, however disgusting it is.

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posted August 01, 2016 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Free speech isn't only popular speech and the majority view. Free speech includes unpopular speech and minority viewpoints, as well.

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posted August 01, 2016 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure, as long as it doesn't become abusive. Do different rules apply to this forum?

None as far as I can see.

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posted August 01, 2016 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since it is of a political nature, a wider lattitude is allowed here.

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posted August 01, 2016 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One day after the DNC, the GDP numbers came in. Very dismal. Only 1.2 percent growth. Worse since 1949! Almost 3/4 of Americans believe we are on the wrong path. This confirms it. And 40 percent of Americans believe we are in a recession. We aren't, but to them they feel it.

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posted August 01, 2016 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to take offense with your bonafide journalists comment. The media is clearly biased. Hillary gets a pass on most of her "mistakes" while Trump is put under a microscope. It's not just this election. Republicans are always at a disadvantage. But at least Trump plays the hand he is dealt with well and uses the media's negativity to get coverage.

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posted August 01, 2016 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump was joking about Russia. "Russia, if you're listening..." The whole tone was sarcastic. And about his tax returns, there's no law saying he has to release anything. He's under IRS audit at the moment, so he absolutely shouldn't release anything until after that's settled.

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posted August 01, 2016 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The person who started this thread on this forum is now whining about sharp edged commentary. Typical leftist hypocrisy.


"LL seems to be a Trump supporter hangout. Disturbing!"
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/002907.html

Ring any bells for you...Astro Keen?

Randall is right and your thread headline is absolutely wrong. This forum has witnessed a legion of center left all the way to radical left loon posters over the years. So called "liberals" have outnumbered conservatives here by at least 10-1.

These so called "liberals" have had one unifying principle. Wheeze, whine and try to shut up everyone with whom they disagree...just like you!

Which only proves my long held position, stated here many times in the past. Those who attempt to shut up anyone with whom they disagree are not "Liberals". They violate the very principles of "Liberalism". More speech, not less, is the theme of "Liberalism". The real theme of Liberalism can be summed up in this simple "Liberal" statement.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

That's not you Astro Keen.

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posted August 01, 2016 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am offended by your vituperative aggression. That needs to cease. Certainly, air your views by all means, if you can, without tantrum throwing, vitriol and name calling.

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