posted August 03, 2016 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You can't go by that figure. It would be affected by the number of statements made.

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True. But the ratings are based upon 236 statements by Clinton and 209 by Trump, which isn't a huge difference.

Clinton True/Mostly True Statements 120
Trump True/Mostly True Statements 31

Clinton False/Pants on Fire 32
Trump False/Pants on Fire 114

posted August 04, 2016 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Can you point out where the article says Trump doesn't read? I must admit that the New York Times isn't a very credible source for impartiality. Be aware that at the DNC, Hillary said, "When I wrote It Takes A Village..."

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I didn't refer you to the New York Times. The New Yorker is a different publication. You really should read the entire article.

posted August 04, 2016 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I'll give you that. It's pretty close. Trump didn't get 4 pinocchios.

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posted August 04, 2016 01:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
My bad. I read most of it. It seemed like the ghost writer was just disgruntled. He had no right to be. I had a tough time with it. When someone purchases a ghost writer's work, they have bought the rights to it. The ghost writer might can legally claim it, but that is a contractual breach.

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Ghost writer might not be the appropriate term in this case. The guy apparently made a lot of money off the book and still gets royalties (which I believe he said he will now donate since he's gone public with his concerns). I'm not sure why he would be disgruntled; at least not because of financial issues.

There is no contractual breach AFAIK; he apparently wrote the book before Trump started insisting upon non-disclosure agreements.

posted August 04, 2016 02:12 AM            

A lot of Trump's silly remarks are deliberate faux-pas to please his audience. No smart person should take them at face value.

He sleeps very less and has mentioned in a book "Why we want you to get rich" that he reads a lot but with age catching up, he is messing up on the facts. When this book was written, Trump had no political ambitions.

In that same book, he was gloating to Robert Kiyosaki ("Rich Dad Poor Dad" author) that he saved a fortune by importing chairs from China for one of his auditoriums.

If Trump builds a wall, he will also build a secret tunnel for boosting his profits.
If H1Bs are cut, he will create some other backdoor Visa Plan which will not affect the system, and it will be 4 years before the public realizes that there was no point in curtailing H1B.
He will curse Islam to get cheers from some of his racist fans and then secretly cut deals with Arab Tyrants in neutral countries.
For raking in cash, even Arab Tyrants will curse Islam on US Soil. Come on.

Trump = Real Estate Businessman, they first corner the low hanging fruit and in politics, the low hanging fruit is the racist, misogynist, xenophobe who will sell his vote for a can of beer. By the 3rd debate, he will start appealing to the more intellectual class. Hillary Camp is not ready for this.

Hillary Camp if serious needs to target Trump on genuine matters like GDP, Deficit, Interest Rates, Trade Deficits, Chinese Holdings, Higher Education Subsidy, Innovation Subsidy, Small Business Growth Plans, Exact plans for tackling terror outfits abroad, Military Reform, Tax Reform, Government Transparency, Steps to curtail Bankster Fraud etc.

Personal Attacks on Trump is a guarantee that he will win. Just study the Indian 2014 Elections, Narendra Modi was the most incompetent leader [with a record of genocide under his watch] but used all the personal attacks on him to polarize voters and took the Parliament with a thumping majority. Everyone other than the crony capitalists is now suffering, praying for the previous dispensation to return in 2019.

posted August 04, 2016 04:00 AM            

Maybe it's the bad consciousness of the U.S. not to take Muslim refugees since the soldiers did committ unspeakable crimes in the middle East. But ah no, they didn't. All they did was fighting dictators and they never stole the goods of the countries like oil

posted August 04, 2016 04:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I have absolutely no problem being harsh with someone who (in no particular order):

*Makes fun of people with disabilities.

*Proudly claims he could shoot someone dead in the middle of New York City and his admirers would still love him.

*Repeatedly praises dictators like Putin, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Il (or was it Kim Jong Un?)

*Repeatedly makes statements that physical appearance is the most important attribute of women, and calls some women fat pigs, "pieces of ass," ugly, etc.

*Says he would date his daughter if she weren't his daughter.

*Repeatedly refuses to pay his creditors.

*Brags about making money in the 2008 housing crash, when so many middle income Americans lost everything.

*Yaps about the evils of jobs going overseas, yet outsources the products he sells.

*Is supposedly rich, but apparently contributes virtually nothing to charity.

*Pretends he is self-made, when in fact he inherited his wealth.

*Refuses to release his tax returns.

*Insists that John McCain is not a war hero, and does so in a way that demeans his years as a prisoner of war.

*Refers to a political rival as "Pocahontas" and says of certain tribal members "they don't look like Indians to me."

*Calls Mexican immigrants rapists and insists that a highly respected native-born citizen judge cannot do his job because of his Mexican heritage.

*Suggests he might abridge the freedom of the press, and prohibits certain press organizations from his appearances.

*Suggests that women who are sexually harassed should just find another job.

*Says he would give nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia.

*Lies about 70% of the time.

*Accuses fire marshals of political motives or incompetence because of crowd size restrictions.

*Makes hateful statements about the mother of a soldier who died in service to the U.S.

*Refers to "my" African-American and brags that "I have a great relationship with the blacks."

*Wants to build a wall along the U.S. - Mexico border.

*Wants to ban an entire class of people from entering the U.S. solely on the basis of their religion, in direct contradiction to the principle of religious freedom on which this nation was founded.

*Thinks it's funny to say "I always wanted a Purple Heart...this was easier." [after dodging the draft himself]

*Thinks it's a sign of strength to refuse to admit you are wrong or ever make a mistake and a sign of weakness to apologize.

*Always speaks in a condescending, ridiculing, aggressive, and rude tone of voice.

*Says he will pay for the defense of a supporter who physically punches a protestor.

*Thinks women should be legally punished (sent to prison?) for having an abortion.

*Congratulates himself "for being right on radical Islamic terrorism" within hours of the Orlando massacre. (Note: the shooter was a native U.S. citizen born in this country in 1986. By Trump's rules, he himself should apparently be deported since his mother was an immigrant).

*Refuses to renounce support from David Duke/the KKK.

*Repeatedly demonstrates he has, at best, a 5th grade knowledge of the U.S. Constitution, and an even lower level of knowledge of world geography. [My apologies for insulting 5th graders].

*Apparently admits rarely if ever reading a book as an adult, and has demonstrated no interest in learning about government or world diplomacy.

*Has apparently admitted to insiders he has no interest in governing; he just wants to win the election.

And those are just the horrors I can remember off the top of my head.

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THANK YOU

not to add that he said that he would bomb the middle East to death if he becomes president.
do you really want a man who supports war and dying children and women? Come on!

posted August 04, 2016 04:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I'd love to see any reputable study that demonstrates that voter fraud is rampant in the United States.

And no, Randall, it is not a mathematical impossibility.

"President Obama received 93 percent of the African-American vote, according to the national exit poll, while Romney received 6 percent. With that kind of backing for Obama, it is almost inevitable that some black precincts would show 100 percent backing for him.”

Or, see:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

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posted August 04, 2016 04:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
I have absolutely no problem being harsh with someone who (in no particular order):

*Makes fun of people with disabilities.

*Proudly claims he could shoot someone dead in the middle of New York City and his admirers would still love him.

*Repeatedly praises dictators like Putin, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Il (or was it Kim Jong Un?)

*Repeatedly makes statements that physical appearance is the most important attribute of women, and calls some women fat pigs, "pieces of ass," ugly, etc.

*Says he would date his daughter if she weren't his daughter.

*Repeatedly refuses to pay his creditors.

*Brags about making money in the 2008 housing crash, when so many middle income Americans lost everything.

*Yaps about the evils of jobs going overseas, yet outsources the products he sells.

*Is supposedly rich, but apparently contributes virtually nothing to charity.

*Pretends he is self-made, when in fact he inherited his wealth.

*Refuses to release his tax returns.

*Insists that John McCain is not a war hero, and does so in a way that demeans his years as a prisoner of war.

*Refers to a political rival as "Pocahontas" and says of certain tribal members "they don't look like Indians to me."

*Calls Mexican immigrants rapists and insists that a highly respected native-born citizen judge cannot do his job because of his Mexican heritage.

*Suggests he might abridge the freedom of the press, and prohibits certain press organizations from his appearances.

*Suggests that women who are sexually harassed should just find another job.

*Says he would give nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia.

*Lies about 70% of the time.

*Accuses fire marshals of political motives or incompetence because of crowd size restrictions.

*Makes hateful statements about the mother of a soldier who died in service to the U.S.

*Refers to "my" African-American and brags that "I have a great relationship with the blacks."

*Wants to build a wall along the U.S. - Mexico border.

*Wants to ban an entire class of people from entering the U.S. solely on the basis of their religion, in direct contradiction to the principle of religious freedom on which this nation was founded.

*Thinks it's funny to say "I always wanted a Purple Heart...this was easier." [after dodging the draft himself]

*Thinks it's a sign of strength to refuse to admit you are wrong or ever make a mistake and a sign of weakness to apologize.

*Always speaks in a condescending, ridiculing, aggressive, and rude tone of voice.

*Says he will pay for the defense of a supporter who physically punches a protestor.

*Thinks women should be legally punished (sent to prison?) for having an abortion.

*Congratulates himself "for being right on radical Islamic terrorism" within hours of the Orlando massacre. (Note: the shooter was a native U.S. citizen born in this country in 1986. By Trump's rules, he himself should apparently be deported since his mother was an immigrant).

*Refuses to renounce support from David Duke/the KKK.

*Repeatedly demonstrates he has, at best, a 5th grade knowledge of the U.S. Constitution, and an even lower level of knowledge of world geography. [My apologies for insulting 5th graders].

*Apparently admits rarely if ever reading a book as an adult, and has demonstrated no interest in learning about government or world diplomacy.

*Has apparently admitted to insiders he has no interest in governing; he just wants to win the election.

And those are just the horrors I can remember off the top of my head.

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posted August 04, 2016 04:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
I am offended by your vituperative aggression. That needs to cease. Certainly, air your views by all means, if you can, without tantrum throwing, vitriol and name calling.

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posted August 04, 2016 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Obama created the ISIS of today by pulling out of Iraq and giving them their caliphate. Obama paid $400 million to Iran along with another $150 billion. Iran has murdered countless Americans.

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the ISIS was created due to the oppression of Sunnis by the Shiit governement of Bagdad + support from Saudi Arabia + the islamists that were set free by Assad upon the start of the civil war
The U.S. did committ horrible crimes in Iraq- by executions of civilians, torture and rapes. Also, U.S. soldiers STOLE a lot of antique wealth in Iraq. Were they ever returned? No!
When did Iran murder countless Americans? But you guys know that you first support Saddam - once a partner of your former president Bush - who almost committ a genoicide against Kurds and Mandaeans and led a war against Iran.

I am by no way supporters of Mullahs and radical Islam....hahaha....i am not even muslim but i am astonished, again and again, by the huge amount of ignorance Americans view their own activities

posted August 04, 2016 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Trump said he would bomb ISIS. In particular, that's the caliphate in Iraq. And newsflash, Obama has been doing that for days. The Liberal media would rather make up stories about Trump such as a supposed intervention rather than report real news.

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nice approach. A real Ghandi your Trump.

make up? Politfact checked and only 3% of his statements are supposed to be true

I am not defending Obama, but Trump would be even worse

Also, it's also the fault of the U.S.! And now they want to bomb the sh*t out of the region. They could have prevented that!

If the U.S. that preach humanitarianis cared for the lives and security of Middle Eastern peoples, they would not have abandoned Libya mid way, and would not June 2012 Geneva conference on Syria when it was still possible to find a balanced, gradual and peaceful solution to the Syrian crisis- that did not include Assad. Back then ISIS did NOT exist and there were no deadly barrel bombs... Another opportunity came when it was proved that Assad had used gas but Obama withdrew his threats to act in Syria and, backed by the EU, he allowed Putin and Iran to do as they pleased, yet now he is shedding crocodile tears over the tragedy of the refugees

posted August 04, 2016 09:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Good to see you admit that. It was more so Hillary with Libya when she supported the regime change, but Obama created ISIS with his weak leadership.

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But i still stand by my previous posts. ISis was created not at all only by weak Obama (see my previous posts) and Trump will not make things better. Not at all. Due to his hate speech and his right wing statements he would even support the growth of Isis, since people would be afraid of the Western governments

Also, i do NOT believe him that he wants to save American lives. That's a lie.

Bush said the same- and look what happened. He said he wants to save America. But look what disgusting crimes he did committ in Iraq

Apart from that, it's never a good reason to vote for a right wing. Come on.
That reminds of the supporters of Hitler, who were afraid of "Jewish Bolshewism that want to destroy the Aryan race" and so they said that they just want to protect and save German lives.

posted August 04, 2016 09:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
ISIS was created on Obama's watch. Even the Taliban hate them. Trump will never support ISIS. He wants to bomb them into oblivion. The comparison to Hitler is nonsense.

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Not only Obama but also Assad and the suppressive Shiit regime in Bagadad (isis are Sunnis)

i never said trump would support Isis

no it's not

hitler "the jewish bolshewism threatens the aryan race"

Trump "muslims wants to attack the U.S. they should be banned. Complete shutdown"

-> both had the effect: people believe them and prejudices and hatred were increased
What he said about Muslims was misleading, insulting and discriminating. And that guy you wanna support?

I am not saying Trump = Hitler; however, i think he uses the same method- anxieties, prejudices and "love for the father country"

posted August 04, 2016 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You said: "...he would even support the growth of ISIS."w.

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