posted August 04, 2016 10:04 AM            

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Look at the damage just one ISIS terrorist can do. They attack soft targets. They aren't a made-up idea to scare voters. They are a real threat.

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That's exactly the anxieties i meant when i said that Trump uses anxieties to get voters

1) the terrorists often grew up in the West. How to stop them if there's no entry in the passport?

2) it IS discriminating to over 1 billion of innocent people

3) many countries and their peole are muslim that never had any terrorsits among their peole like Kirgisian

4) how you know that someone is Muslim or not? There are many Christians, Jews and Yazidis, etc. in the Middle East

5) it would increase the prejudice in the middle East that all Americans hate Muslims

etc, etc,

posted August 04, 2016 10:05 AM            

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Ah, I see. Once Trump bombs their caliphate out of existence, and people see ISIS losing favor with Allah, they will stop joining.

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posted August 04, 2016 10:19 AM            

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It doesn't matter what religion they are. It depends on if they are from specific countries that sponsor terrorism,

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posted August 04, 2016 11:42 AM            

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Yes, like our Orlando shooter, they were recruited. But it still makes sense to be cautious. You don't think ISIS wants to enter America and cause mayhem? That is on top of their bucket list.

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of course we all need to be cautious. Of course ISIS wants to conquer the world and implement the Sharia. They are dreadfully sick.
And i know they would never let me convert, they would rape and shoot me right away- in contrary to other women who may convert because i belong to an ehtnicitiy they hate. But thats not the question.

why should the ISIS, who gets huge monetary support from either Iran or SaudiArabia (most experts claim it's the latter) and received many millions due to ransom, i.e. The French government allegedely paid 15 millions dollars for the release of French hostages, should make perilous journeys to Europe by foot like all the refugees and take the risk to loose their fighters by drowning in the middle sea????
That's nonsense.
Wouldn't it be far more effective to recruit the people in the countries they target? They know that normally normal civilians are not being watched by the secret service.
I already told that the people months/years ago when all Germans were afraid of terrorists among the refugees. Apparantly i was/am not totally wrong.
The ISIS is smart enough to recruit people in the countries of their targets. That's far easier and far more effective.
Those guys have either emotional issues or are frustrated by the (alleged) discriminating societies.
I think there were some surveys by universities and i read a Swedish survey and the result was: most of the terrorists grew up in the countries they made the attacks. They grew up with no money, despite the social service- and the feeling not to be accepted by the society. All said they felt constantly discriminated by the society- by people like Trump.

You guys in the U.S. have no idea about the northafrican/middle Eastern slums in London and Paris and Stockholm and partly in Germany. They could never integrate into society. In Paris, e.g., (and i think almost all terrorists involved in the attacks were Parisienns and of Belgian nationality, there are slums....they say if you grow up there, you will never have a chance to escape...My friend made an internship in Paris and she said that all applications with certain postal/zip codes all thrown away immediately. They wouldn't provide the slightest chance

posted August 04, 2016 01:31 PM            

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ISIS would recruit from the refugee population like they do from the citizenry of various countries. Trump wants us to declare war, and then it increases what we can do in dealing with them. ISIS is wealthy from stealing oil and criminal activity such as human slave peddling and kidnapping ransoms (as you stated).

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posted August 04, 2016 04:25 PM            

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ISIS would recruit from the refugee population like they do from the citizenry of various countries. Trump wants us to declare war, and then it increases what we can do in dealing with them. ISIS is wealthy from stealing oil and criminal activity such as human slave peddling and kidnapping ransoms (as you stated).

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ah, yes, bombing helped a lot in the past. Al-Quaida got destroyed and there were no further terror organizations. America and its invasion and bombings and rape and killing and theft incidents really finished out the Islamists. Wow. The history repeats and repeats without people getting the lessons.

ISIS would only be successfull to recruit from the refugees, if the individual is emotionally unstable or if the indiviual feels oppressed by the host country- i. e. by hearing hate speech talkers like Trump and his supporters

I have some experiences with refugees here in Germany- i am not left wing, let out right wing...hahaha, i am liberal and i am supportive to their needs.

First: The refugees, a huge part of them, flee from isis. Why should they join them?

Second, since the Arab countries, except the generous Lebanon and the generous Jordania, did NOT take their brothers the illusion and lie of the Arabian brotherhood has come to a bitter end for many refugees. I heard their disappointments:
"Saudi Arabia is the most important country in Islam- and the dirtiest people come from there"
"Don't know if they are muslim countries- a real Muslim helps those in need"
"The Arabs don't take us but the Germans do..."
"They call the Western countries Kuffars?! Look at the kuffars! They give us shelter, food and love. They open their hearts and homes for us! I would kiss every single German if i could! But you, you pretend to be Muslims but you are not!"
"look at the kuffars! They have more heart than you!"

So, a huge part of them will not be recruited. However, if hate speech and prejudices increase, it might happen that sooner or later more citizens of Muslim faith will turn to Isis. It already happened.

I am not saying that ISis is to be defeated with peace and love and understanding...hahaha....but if you destroy them led by a president like Bush or Trump, things will never ever come to an end, I'll tell you right now.

Bush & Trump and their supporters have insulted the Muslim world multiple times- and then they, no Bush only so far, send their troops and even though most of the soldiers were friendly, not a wee part did kill and rape and steal and did torture and most of them got away with that!. Now put that together: the rejection would increase.

The Muslims there suffer a lot from the ISIS. Isis even kills Muslims when they think any crime against Islam has been committed. They kill for futile reasons.
Many of the ISIS fighters are from the WEST; now put that together: First there will be a terror organization with members from the West, then many insults from the West, then Western troup invade the country, rape and steal and they leave.
Many civilanz would think (it already happened): "the Western sent their islamic idiots to us, who killed us and then they themselves came and killed us as well. And all they do is taking our oil and talking bad about us."
-> there will be another terror organization. And people will join since the West only brought hate speech, discrimination, invasion, death and rape so far.

posted August 04, 2016 05:19 PM            

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/false-gop-theme-unvetted-refugees/

And this is what happens when you ban refugees from entering a country:

posted August 05, 2016 03:37 PM            

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Bombing ISIS like Obama is currently doing is a good start.

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posted August 05, 2016 06:25 PM            

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ISIS is deserving of our contempt.

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As Trump is deserving of Americas contempt

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*Makes fun of people with disabilities.

*Proudly claims he could shoot someone dead in the middle of New York City and his admirers would still love him.

*Repeatedly praises dictators like Putin, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Il (or was it Kim Jong Un?)

*Repeatedly makes statements that physical appearance is the most important attribute of women, and calls some women fat pigs, "pieces of ass," ugly, etc.

*Says he would date his daughter if she weren't his daughter.

*Repeatedly refuses to pay his creditors.

*Brags about making money in the 2008 housing crash, when so many middle income Americans lost everything.

*Yaps about the evils of jobs going overseas, yet outsources the products he sells.

*Is supposedly rich, but apparently contributes virtually nothing to charity.

*Pretends he is self-made, when in fact he inherited his wealth.

*Refuses to release his tax returns.

*Insists that John McCain is not a war hero, and does so in a way that demeans his years as a prisoner of war.

*Refers to a political rival as "Pocahontas" and says of certain tribal members "they don't look like Indians to me."

*Calls Mexican immigrants rapists and insists that a highly respected native-born citizen judge cannot do his job because of his Mexican heritage.

*Suggests he might abridge the freedom of the press, and prohibits certain press organizations from his appearances.

*Suggests that women who are sexually harassed should just find another job.

*Says he would give nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia.

*Lies about 70% of the time.

*Accuses fire marshals of political motives or incompetence because of crowd size restrictions.

*Makes hateful statements about the mother of a soldier who died in service to the U.S.

*Refers to "my" African-American and brags that "I have a great relationship with the blacks."

*Wants to build a wall along the U.S. - Mexico border.

*Wants to ban an entire class of people from entering the U.S. solely on the basis of their religion, in direct contradiction to the principle of religious freedom on which this nation was founded.

*Thinks it's funny to say "I always wanted a Purple Heart...this was easier." [after dodging the draft himself]

*Thinks it's a sign of strength to refuse to admit you are wrong or ever make a mistake and a sign of weakness to apologize.

*Always speaks in a condescending, ridiculing, aggressive, and rude tone of voice.

*Says he will pay for the defense of a supporter who physically punches a protestor.

*Thinks women should be legally punished (sent to prison?) for having an abortion.

*Congratulates himself "for being right on radical Islamic terrorism" within hours of the Orlando massacre. (Note: the shooter was a native U.S. citizen born in this country in 1986. By Trump's rules, he himself should apparently be deported since his mother was an immigrant).

*Refuses to renounce support from David Duke/the KKK.

*Repeatedly demonstrates he has, at best, a 5th grade knowledge of the U.S. Constitution, and an even lower level of knowledge of world geography. [My apologies for insulting 5th graders].

*Apparently admits rarely if ever reading a book as an adult, and has demonstrated no interest in learning about government or world diplomacy.

* tells whoppers about what he has "seen"

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posted August 05, 2016 09:22 PM            

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Some of those comments were tongue-in-cheek, like the comment about his daughter. The Orlando shooter claimed he did it for Islam. The 70% lying is a ridiculous figure, although, Hillary is close to 100%. Obama himself said Hillary will say anything to get elected. Where is the source where Trump said he doesn't want to govern? Trump didn't inherit his billions. His father gave him a million dollar loan that he had to pay back. And the biggest Democratic bullsh*t lie of all is about Trump making fun of a disabled reporter. This was crafted from a circulated still frame where Trump was showing the reporter groveling. This reporter confirmed Trump's assertion in an article he wrote in 2001 that, in fact, Muslims were celebrating on rooftops after the twin towers fell. Trump was showing him groveling after trying to retract his article. See the video evidence in the link below. Some of the other stuff, I don't remember, but I will look it up. It's called FACT CHECKING. Don't believe what people tell you is true, especially the media. I do know Rosie drew first blood, and he made comments about her, not about women in general. He also said the Kahn's looked like nice people, and their son was a hero. Granted, he should have taken the criticism on the chin, but he did not attack the mother. He shouldn't have said anything, though. But Hillary lied to Gold Star mothers about the cause of their sons' deaths, telling them a video was responsible, when, in fact, Hillary told her own family what really happened. The Democrats attacked that RNC Gold Star mother relentlessly. And Trump NEVER said he would use nuclear weapons. That one is a total fabrication. My understanding is that he gives quite a bit to charity. Didn't he give $2 million of his own money this year to the vets on top of the rest of the donations? I am not sure of the amount, so don't quote me on that one. He is under no obligation to reveal his tax returns. He could even if under audit, but it makes sense to me to wait till the audit is over. His returns are three feet high. The disabled reporter story is complete hogwash:
http://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-did-not-mock-a-repor ters-disability/

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posted August 05, 2016 09:23 PM            

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Where did Trump say that harassed women should find another job? About the judge (although he could have said it with more tact), Trump was saying the judge might be partial by Trump's stance on Mexican immigration, but the media failed to report the judge's ties to the Clinton Foundation. The judge should have recused himself. Trump did call Warren Pocahontas. While I do not agree with those insults, she has called Trump much worse, and Trump was alluding to her lying about being part Native American.

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posted August 05, 2016 09:24 PM            

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Well, I'm not saying it's rampant, but it is a problem, and 68 districts is a lot. And yes, there is proof of "dead" Democrats voting in elections. This CBS expose' found hundreds of dead voters casting ballots, and this was in just one small section of the country. As shown in the article, elected Democrats have been charged and convicted of voter fraud.
http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/05/25/cbs-uncovers-voter-fraud-in-la- n2168330

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posted August 05, 2016 09:25 PM            

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Several rapes and murders have occurred at the hands of illegal Mexican immigrants. Of course, not all of them are. Most are just trying to attain the American dream. Trump should have been more clear in his comment. But there have been several. Enough to warrant a law about it.

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posted August 05, 2016 09:26 PM            

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Both have lied. A lot. But Trump wasn't Secretary of State. And the Liberal press has often given Hillary a pass (like glossing over the racist, sexist, anti-Semetic, and anti-gay statements in the DNC emails), while crucifying Trump for any little thing, even to the point of manufacturing false stories. Of course, Trump doesn't help matters by saying stupid stuff. Had it been RNC emails, the media would have never stopped! You know that's true.

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posted August 05, 2016 09:27 PM            

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Trump only said that Saddam knew how to kill terrorists. I heard that myself. It's not praise, but it's true. While Obama apologizes to terrorists and Kerry bows to them. Obama pays Iran $400 million, which they will use to kill Americans. And Hillary was behind the deal that paid Iran $150 billion. Hillary gave Putin 50% of America's uranium in exchange for millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation and huge speaking fees for Bill. Hillary also sent Russia technology in her Reset Program. So, if anyone is in bed with Putin, it's Hillary!
http://www.amazon.com/Clinton-Cash-Foreign-Governments-Businesses/dp/0062369288

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posted August 05, 2016 09:29 PM            

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Democrats don't care about truth. They will unquestionably believe any story or gossip if it fits their narrative. What SHOULD be on the front page today is that picture of Kerry BOWING to the Iranian leaders. Iran has American blood on its hands and has created many Gold Star parents.

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posted August 06, 2016 07:49 AM            

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Wonder how favorable people will rate Trump's speech tonight?

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Favorable for whom?