posted July 30, 2016 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ami, I see why his Chiron is throwing you off.

If you look at his chart, there are no planets making hard aspects to his Chiron, therefore the pain aspect of Chiron is not activated. That is where my understanding of Chiron diverges profoundly from yours.

I have always maintained that it wasn't until the mid 1950s when Chiron started to experience square or opposition by slow moving planets such as Uranus/Neptune/Pluto for decades that the generations born during those decades had painful Chiron issues. The generations born previously had no such issues, unless Chiron was challenged by Saturn or personal planets.

In Trump's chart, his 2nd house Chiron is conjunct Jupiter. When its pain is not activated, Chiron acts as the person he was for most of his life before the wound: a teacher, philosopher and healer. Trump has taken people into his "apprenticeship" on national TV and made a boatload of money doing it.

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I TRY to have no agenda when I do charts. I try to get people to tell me what they experience.

That is how I came upon Chiron in the Houses.

I would have no fun, if I just did charts for people, without really talking and sharing deeply.

They teach me how the aspects play out.

Then, after many of the same aspects playing out, I form theories, such as Chiron conj the ASC is, usually, bullying, for one example.

I don't have an agenda or much ego in it.

It is my true passion and helps me to give to others, which is really what makes life happy.

However, back to your aspects, I could see Virgo as a giver BUT would it be specific that you could call it a "giver"

With asteroids, it is very, very specific.

Valentine will give his life for you.

Vesta will serve you.

So, if these conjunct the NN, for example, we could know Donald Trump was a true giver.

The asteroids personalize and make up detail in the charts

That is my opinion, anyway, B

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posted July 30, 2016 09:23 PM            

Regarding Asteroids, imo, they're not substitute for the classic planets and do not create what is not already there. Therefore I use asteroids to confirm/clarify what I already see in the chart using the classic planets. But that's my approach and I understand that it may not be yours.

Valentine: I thought this asteroid had to do with romantic love, not necessarily the love of mankind. Here is the original story. http://www1.cbn.com/st-valentine-real-story

Vesta: has to do with hearth and home and retiring to tend to the sacred flame. Where Vesta is located is usually a place where one must take frequent breaks to be in solitude.

Therefore I am not sure I would use those asteroids to look at whether or not someone wants to help others. i am just going by the myth behind those asteroids.

posted July 30, 2016 09:29 PM            

In my work with charts, Valentine seems to be the asteroid that would be true sacrificial love.

Vesta would be the true kind of sacrificial love, in which a woman who bear a child for another women etc

I see these two asteroids this way, anyway.

It was lovely sharing, even though we have some different ways of approaching things, B xx

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posted July 30, 2016 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I was just talking out loud, B.

In my work with charts, Valentine seems to be the asteroid that would be true sacrificial love.

Vesta would be the true kind of sacrificial love, in which a woman who bear a child for another women etc

I see these two asteroids this way, anyway.

It was lovely sharing, even though we have some different ways of approaching things, B xx

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I enjoy engaging you too, Ami.

posted July 30, 2016 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It wouldn't be a war in the traditional sense. Once war is declared, it changes the rules of engagement. ISIS has already declared war on the rest of the world. We need to take that threat seriously. Obama called ISIS the "junior varsity" team. By now, I hope he realizes how dangerous they are.

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Exactly!

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posted July 30, 2016 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It wouldn't be a war in the traditional sense. Once war is declared, it changes the rules of engagement. ISIS has already declared war on the rest of the world. We need to take that threat seriously. Obama called ISIS the "junior varsity" team. By now, I hope he realizes how dangerous they are.

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i understand there's plenty of people who are very concerned, however, in my perspectives, Trump is not helping people's fears, but exploiting and feeding the fire.

it makes people's cognitive dissonance worse. we can never, ever make conscious, sound decisions when we are in panic mode!

you guys still haven't given an answer how is Trump going to go to war, build the economy and give people jobs AT THE SAME TIME?

we haven't had an isis attack here. (thank God) there has been deranged people, who were influenced by isis. so what are you guys worrying about?

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posted July 30, 2016 09:51 PM            

1. get government off the back of people who want to succeed, such as people who want to start a small business.

2. Make college something people can afford.(Obama made a travesty of the student loan program and amped up college tuition

3. DEFEAT Islamic terrorism or we have no country and no hope.

4. Let American people be great in a free country without the government breaking their backs and in a country that is safe.

5. Americans want to be great and can be and WILL be, again,if we are FREE to do so.

That is it!

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posted July 30, 2016 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Lowering corporate taxes, which attracts large businesses back to the US, which creates new jobs, which injects money into the economy.

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posted July 30, 2016 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Lowering corporate taxes, which attracts large businesses back to the US, which creates new jobs, which injects money into the economy.

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not really. he says he will raise taxes for the rich, however, his tax plans will actually minimize the rich taxes and the middle class will not really benefit by it.

From a NYT article:

The Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the center-left Urban Institute and Brookings Institution, calculates that Mr. Trump’s policies would on average give the top 1 percent of taxpayers a federal tax cut of $275,000, or 17.5 percent of their after-tax income, while middle-income households would get a $2,700 tax cut, equivalent to 5 percent of their after-tax income.

under his tax plan, it will also crash the revenue by 9.5 TRILLION over the next 10 years.

NYT: Mr. Trump’s tax plans could leave him vulnerable on another front. Budget analysts say that slashing taxes by the amounts he envisions would lead to a sharp drop in revenue. The Tax Policy Center estimates a drop in revenue of $9.5 trillion over 10 years. To put that sum in perspective, the federal government took in revenue of $3.2 trillion last year. If spending were not cut in response, and a much faster-growing economy did not provide a lot more revenue, the federal government would have to borrow to cover the shortfall, pushing up the national debt.

so in summary. he wants to go to war = more money. he wants to lower taxes, which will drop the revenue by trillions of dollars. which the federal gov't has to borrow money to cover the national debt.

so all in all. i think Trump will bankcrupt our nation, just like he bankcrupt 5-6 of his businesses in the past.

doesn't look good!

Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/upshot/donald-trumps-plan-to-raise-taxes -on-rich-just-kidding.html

posted July 30, 2016 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]you guys still haven't given an answer how is Trump going to go to war, build the economy and give people jobs AT THE SAME TIME?

1. get government off the back of people who want to succeed, such as people who want to start a small business.

2. Make college something people can afford.(Obama made a travesty of the student loan program and amped up college tuition

3. DEFEAT Islamic terrorism or we have no country and no hope.

4. Let American people be great in a free country without the government breaking their backs and in a country that is safe.

5. Americans want to be great and can be and WILL be, again,if we are FREE to do so.

That is it!

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the thing is Ami, we are already great. you guys just don't think we are... hence the problems. who said we are not FREE? Freedom is a state of mind. Try not to complain and pretend that you are not FREE. There are people in other countries who are truly not free. be thankful that you are able to post on a website like this, stating your own mind, and FREE to do so. Walk out with your family and loved ones to the park, go to restaurants and have dinner with your family and friends etc etc etc.

BE THANKFUL, DON'T COMPLAIN .. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE A HOUSE OVER YOUR HEAD, AND FOOD TO EAT. INTERNET FOR YOU TO STUDY AND TALK WITH PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, AND OTHERS. THAT'S FREEDOM. OTHERS DON'T HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE.

(I am not shouting at you. I am writing in bold, so perhaps, it will sink in your head what freedom means!)

you said: 2. Make college something people can afford.(Obama made a travesty of the student loan program and amped up college tuition

HUH? President Obama passed the pay as your earn with student loans.

regarding amping up college tuition. you are so far from the facts!

Reforming student aid to promote affordability and value

To keep tuition from spiraling too high and drive greater value, the President has proposed reforms to federal campus-based aid programs to shift aid away from colleges that fail to keep net tuition down, and toward those colleges and universities that do their fair share to keep tuition affordable, provide good value, and serve needy students well. These changes in federal aid to campuses will leverage $10 billion annually to help keep tuition down.

How many times has the president tried pass laws, and the GOP congress didn't pass?? You guys are so quick to blame, without checking facts... seriously.

posted July 31, 2016 01:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Mercury is the messenger of the gods. It has to be used properly and with great care by heads of state. Foot in the mouth disease and grandstanding makes for great reality TV ratings (the Apprentice) because masses love drama and mayhem...

on the TV screen, that is.

On the world stage, heads of state's foot in the mouth disease and grandstanding can lead to drama and mayhem in the masses' real lives. Can one of the most powerful nation on earth afford to have a leader who is going to learn -on the job- to think before he speaks? The Donald has Mercury square Neptune natally. This aspect can manifest as someone skilled in deluding people with trick and smokes and mirrors. Can also manifest as someone who is living in his own delusional world. I will let you figure that out.

Politics is politics. The dirtiest game on earth ruled by Saturn, the realist. I don't have to like my leaders. The scorpio/Pluto candidate as unlikable as she is, seems to have a better handle on her mercury. Natally, her mercury is not strong. It is sitting in her South Node and it squares Saturn. Not an easy placement to have, but with Saturn, one learns over time especially as one gets older. She is old enough. She has learned. She will never be a charimastic speaker like the Gemini candidate, not with Saturn sitting on her ascendant and squaring her mercury. But it is unlikely she will be given to the kind of diarrhea of the mouth that can trigger international conflicts.

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posted July 31, 2016 02:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It wouldn't be a war in the traditional sense. Once war is declared, it changes the rules of engagement. ISIS has already declared war on the rest of the world. We need to take that threat seriously. Obama called ISIS the "junior varsity" team. By now, I hope he realizes how dangerous they are.

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Lets not forget who actually created ISIS. In my opinion ISIS is raised in the ashes of US tanks that were shooting their families for no good.

All the ISIS soldiers are mad at US for comming to their country and destroying their cities, killing the innocent and a few bad guys, and then leaving the country again, devastated and without the chance to recover.

If you truly want ISIS to be destroyed, you have to work with love! Invest in their society, help them create good cities, schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Most of the ISIS people live out on the country side in poverty, cannot read or is being threaded to kill others, not for their own good will.

posted July 31, 2016 05:50 AM            

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