posted August 01, 2016 05:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I donīt know the heart of either of these people, as I have not spoken to either of them in person (and Idoubt I would know their heart then either).
All I can do is listen to what they say in public.... and that is..... public.

I am actually glad I donīt have to make the choice. For me it really probably would be the choice for who I think could prove a little less detrimental.

Am I being negative? Yes you can bet I am in this case!

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Yes Ceri, I SO agree with you.

posted August 01, 2016 05:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Mercury is the messenger of the gods. It has to be used properly and with great care by heads of state. Foot in the mouth disease and grandstanding makes for great reality TV ratings (the Apprentice) because masses love drama and mayhem...

on the TV screen, that is.

On the world stage, heads of state's foot in the mouth disease and grandstanding can lead to drama and mayhem in the masses' real lives. Can one of the most powerful nation on earth afford to have a leader who is going to learn -on the job- to think before he speaks? The Donald has Mercury square Neptune natally. This aspect can manifest as someone skilled in deluding people with trick and smokes and mirrors. Can also manifest as someone who is living in his own delusional world. I will let you figure that out.

Politics is politics. The dirtiest game on earth ruled by Saturn, the realist. I don't have to like my leaders. The scorpio/Pluto candidate as unlikable as she is, seems to have a better handle on her mercury. Natally, her mercury is not strong. It is sitting in her South Node and it squares Saturn. Not an easy placement to have, but with Saturn, one learns over time especially as one gets older. She is old enough. She has learned. She will never be a charimastic speaker like the Gemini candidate, not with Saturn sitting on her ascendant and squaring her mercury. But it is unlikely she will be given to the kind of diarrhea of the mouth that can trigger international conflicts.

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posted August 01, 2016 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
i totally agree. i don't see what is the big deal with Hillary's wall street speeches, vs to Trump refusing to be transparent with his tax returns. isn't that part of the process in running for president...that they ALL must show their tax returns? once again, Trump and his "i am better than anyone" ego attitude spills out once again.

what about him going after that Muslim military hero, who's father called him out at the DNC? Mr. Kahn and his wife? I don't understand for the life of me, why Trump lies, and lies that he's for military and vetarns. YET, he attacks a Gold Star mother, Ghazala Khan!

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and when some people here evade your argument by directing it to something else, you know they are not making decision based on reason but dogma. So it doesn't matter that we can prove all day the characters of Donald Trump to be utterly beyond basic morales, because some people already shut themselves in a room and say: "I am right. My choice is not up for debate. Who cares about logics!!!"

posted August 01, 2016 10:52 AM            

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I am sincerely curious. I dont take any sides, and its not even relevant to what i want to ask you.

You analyzed his chart. Its just a chart.

Now think of this: Jeffrey Dahmer was born on 21 may 1960.
Thousands of other people were born in the same day and share the same chart. How are they all different? How was such a criminal born in the same day/hour with other people, astrologically? How can you analyze a chart alone? That is not a person. That is a map with things you can use in a good or bad way.

How can you read the charts of two twins? How are they different? Born a few minutes from each other?

You analyze their names. Numerology.

THE CHART is just a map with places and roads you can go on or screw your entire life in their darker places.

You can have a perfectly aspected SUN like me (only trines/sextiles + powerful Pluto conjunction) and be a natural born leader, BUT INSTEAD END UP CONTROLLING OTHERS WRONGLY (im guilty).

You have bad and good aspects, but each person uses the energy of the planet in their own way. Yes Trump can have some incredible good aspects and stuff, but you cant know if he is up to use them for good or bad. That is up to the individual.

PS: Remember? You didnt even look at this. Its a good example
JOAN RIVERS
Ruler of Taurus (neck/talking) in her chart, Venus, is conjunct Mercury at anaretic degree 29 38' 30''. 3rd house. Communication. On IC.
29th degree: Called the Anaretic Degree(Devore: from the Greek: destroyer, that which destroys form, that which kills.)

Nothing else but her vocal chords (venus ruler of Taurus) which she used in media a lot in order to communicate (conjunct mercury), but being controversial - opposite MC, sextile Uranus.
Yet... Trine her NN. Guess it was meant for her to get into media and communicate. But like this? Did she have to use her Venus/mercury in such a way?
I guess not. That's why her death was exactly caused by that. She used it all in a bad way

posted August 01, 2016 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Gundahar:
Im not an american and i dont know much details about this election because im against politics.

But... frankly, does it matter who wins? Elections might aswell be a coin toss, its two sides of the same coin, we choose wich face we want and the illusion of choice is created, but the world remains the same.
We need leaders not politicians.

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Lol yes it matters who wins, because whoever wins is going to govern laws, taxes, wars, money...for the next 4 years (but most likely the next 8 years given the election. I've never seen a president voted out of office afyer 4, but it's possible.) The economy is at stake.

posted August 01, 2016 01:17 PM            

A Scorpio wrapth is direct and in your face and you'll know what they will do next or have a good idea what to expect.

Gemini manipulation is very subtle and you won't know your being played until its to late.

As a Gemini Male when angered I can easily figure people out, figure out what they want to hear and if.....gullible give them the image and tell then what they want to hear.

Its for that reason I don't trust Trump.

Regardless, neither politician is going to solve Americas problems.

The West is dealing with an aging population that is unable to compete with more productive countries that have a much younger and productive age demographic.

No politician can solve that problem in a way that won't anger there voting base.

posted August 01, 2016 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Gundahar:
We'll talk next year and see what changed

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posted August 01, 2016 01:23 PM            

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Trump's comment was insensitive. He's a Gemini.

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posted August 01, 2016 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
[QUOTE]Trump's comment was insensitive. He's a Gemini.

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posted August 01, 2016 01:36 PM            

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[QUOTE]Trump's comment was insensitive. He's a Gemini.

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Some Gem's need to caged, lol or if they end up in a situation where they think there ahead they will get too casual and say foolish things.

posted August 01, 2016 01:47 PM            

then to have a highly emotional scorpio women who use to be an attorney and lied for a living.. and just in general being a politician.. ugh.

posted August 01, 2016 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
not only is trump a gemini, his sun is conj Uranus and he has a Saturn conj too. so talk about stubborn and VERY narrow minded not to mention the constant shifts and swings in opinions, Uranus is super contradictory, that fool isn't going to help with anything.

then to have a highly emotional scorpio women who use to be an attorney and lied for a living.. and just in general being a politician.. ugh.

its a huge joke. its between one liar and the next. the whole system is rigged and one big fat lie, its comical.

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I agree. But Hillary Clinton is likely more peaceful.

Justin Trudeau I believe is setting a good example. Then again Canada is a different country than the USA is. Different atmosphere. But Trudeau basically believes in embracing everyone with love. No dogma's against any religion, because obviously the statistics shows most muslims aren't terrorists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4rYswsei3M

But even there was umm a french pastor who was killed by muslim kids in france.

I think it's just that there are such differing beliefs. Christianity saying only through Christ.

posted August 01, 2016 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
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Justin Trudeau I believe is setting a good example. Then again Canada is a different country than the USA ....

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I wish Trudeau could be a little bit more centrist. I still love Paul Martin, very centrist and always delivers a surplus budget.

Back to the point.
Not all Gems are the same as trump, I can't speak for all mutable signs.

But I think for most Gems early environment really plays a big role in shaping them.

Toronto is very centrist. Liberal with conservative tendencies to business, its a balance that works and I grew up with it.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

posted August 01, 2016 02:27 PM            

With Canada's current immigration policy, they are going to have hell to pay. VERY sad.

Trump will keep us safe from Islamic terrorism.

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posted August 01, 2016 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]I wish Trudeau could be a little bit more centrist.

With Canada's current immigration policy, they are going to have hell to pay. VERY sad.

Trump will keep us safe from Islamic terrorism.

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posted August 01, 2016 02:54 PM            

I am afraid that so many Muslims in our country are going to get outcasted and spewed upon by other Americans. I know that there are some that do not have good intentions. But that's a small percentage. There is "bad" in all races and religions, but there is also good. I have many friends of all cultures and backgrounds. Some are Muslim and they are just like you and I. ISIS wants to create a religious war and the more we feed into the fear and venom they disperse into this world, the more they win.

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posted August 01, 2016 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
You cant keep a country safe from terrorism - just look on the recent terror attacks in Europe - it is people who go insane with a knife, or they drive a car into a human crowd - how can you stop things like that, its impossible, and even the CIA, police and military knows it.

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