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Topic: Obama Betrayed US Policy By Paying $400 Million Ransom To Iran!
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Randall
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posted August 04, 2016 06:47 PM
  
Pot calling the kettle black? I admit I'm biased. Can you do the same? But I praise the other side when they get something right--like Obama growing a set and bombing ISIS, which has been going on for days now, but the Liberal media is too busy instead reporting when Trump picks his nose.  IP: Logged |
Delilah423
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posted August 04, 2016 07:27 PM
Randall,The U.S. has been bombing ISIS for a lot longer than a few days. It's more like 2 years. Obama requested authorization from Congress in February, 2015, at which time the bombing had already been going on for 6 months. But as usual the Republican Congress refused to do its job. "The administration has argued all along that it doesn't actually need new authorization for the war, because the 2001 and 2003 resolutions that Congress passed—and never repealed—allow for military action against ISIS as a terrorist group that branched off from Al Qaeda in Iraq. Speaker John Boehner demanded for months that Obama submit a formal proposal, but when the White House finally did, he left it for dead." (Source: April, 2015, The Atlantic). IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 04, 2016 08:13 PM
No, he has been making selective DRONE strikes, not full scale air strikes. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 04, 2016 08:15 PM
I recall when Obama used a drone to kill the son of a terrorist, making himself judge, jury, and executioner.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 04, 2016 08:30 PM
There are outstanding lawsuits of $43 billion on behalf of the families of the victims of Iranian actions (like the bombing of Beirut), and we go and pay them untraceable cash like some back-alley drug deal? Obama could have signed a waiver and transferred the funds. What if we owed Germany money prior to the Hitlerian regime and Hitler took over and then demanded we pay him? Would we have?IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 04, 2016 10:11 PM
This $400 million was a late addendum to the Iran deal. What wasn't reported by most media outlets is that it also included the release of several Iranian spies we were holding.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 04, 2016 10:20 PM
They couldn't use US currency? Where did they get this money? Is Obama actually Scarface?IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted August 05, 2016 05:05 AM
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StubbornVirgo
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posted August 05, 2016 05:12 AM
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Randall
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posted August 05, 2016 03:07 PM
I didn't say the Liberal media cared.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 05, 2016 10:30 PM
Released hostage, Saeed Abedini, said he was told they could not be released unless a plane shows up. In other words, if and until the money arrives. All of the money we have turned over to Iran, not only allows them to sponsor more killing of innocent lives, but it gives them the path to a nuclear weapon.IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted August 06, 2016 07:46 AM
"in other words" You are putting your bias into what he says. Some would read it "you can`t leave until the plane shows up" They need a ride home and can`t leave without one. Perception, basic perception.!! ------------------
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Randall
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posted August 06, 2016 08:37 AM
No, the escape plane was there. They were waiting for the unmarked cargo drop plane. They actually said "another plane." I should have been more clear. Are you defending Obama?IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted August 06, 2016 08:43 AM
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Randall
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posted August 06, 2016 09:05 AM
Sure, it was just a coincidence that both unrelated events happened at exactly the same time.  Call it whatever you want, Iran wasn't going to let those hostages go without receiving that money first. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted August 06, 2016 11:05 AM
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Randall
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posted August 07, 2016 12:53 AM
^ That says a lot.What rubs me the wrong way is that the families of those people who were beheaded were threatened by the Obama administration and told that if they negotiate for the release of their loved ones, they would be prosecuted. And we know they have already violated the terms of the deal we made. About a month ago, Iran was trying to buy a nuclear weapon from Germany. And they are still testing ballistic missiles. Plus, they want to fund Hezbollah more. Hezbollah is trying to take over a country friendly to the US--Yemen. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 07, 2016 05:40 PM
And let's assume that it wasn't a ransom. It should have been two different transactions and on two different days if that were the case. If we owed Iran the money anyway, why would we have been worried about not receiving our hostages back? We could have just paid them first. Everyone knows why we didn't do it that way. They weren't going to get that money till we got our people back. And they weren't going to give us our people back till they got the money. I saw a pic of it. Stacks of cash on a pallet wrapped in cellophane. It looked like a drug deal was going down. Yes, the administration told us about the payment on my birthday...BUT...they DID NOT tell us it would be in cash and in the two currencies most often used to sponsor terrorism (according to the European Union), delivered in an unmarked plane, or that the DOJ opposed it. So, they were not really as transparent as they say they were. But let's still assume it was not a ransom. The problem is that Iran said it was a ransom. Why should we care or believe anything Iran says? If Iran thought it was a ransom, then so do other nations of terror. Those nations might think that they, too, can kidnap and torture Americans and also get $400 million in cash. We just set a terrible precedent that will put more American lives in danger. The optics of the deal is so bad. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 18, 2016 08:24 PM
The State Dept. confirmed today that the $400 million was held until the American citizens were released, contrary to what Obama claimed, when he said we did not pay money in exchange for hostages. Yes, that's called a ransom. It only looked suspicious? It was just a coincidence? The two events were unrelated? And the Dems bought the lie, lock, stock, and barrel. But to the rest of us, it was obvious. Plus, we now know the entire $400 million was transferred to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which is a terrorist organization. Iran told us the truth, while Obama, Hillary, and Kerry lied to the American people.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 19, 2016 07:45 PM
A ransom by any other name...
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-iran-state-department-admits-obama-lied-ransom/ IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 20, 2016 05:57 AM
The money was held as "leverage" until the hostages were returned. That's the definition for ransom.IP: Logged |
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