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Randall
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posted August 24, 2016 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Criminals have to go. No doubt! This is proposed: Law-abiding families stay, but no citizenship, no amnesty, and they must pay taxes.

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posted August 24, 2016 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are the stats:

According to the Fair 2013 Study, illegal immigrants from Mexico costs us $113 billion a year.

$49.2 billion for education

$10.8 billion for medical care

$9.6 billion for education

$8.7 billion for justice expenditures

$5.3 billion for welfare related

In Texas alone, illegal immigrants committed 642,000 crimes in the past 7 years.

According to the U.S. Sentencing Commision, illegal immigrants make up the following percentages of total crimes:

18% of drug trafficking

30% of kidnapping/hostage taking

75% of drug possession

10% of money laundering

21% of national defense

5% of murder

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posted August 25, 2016 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, American citizens are still responsible for the majority of crimes? Except for possession of drugs (where the rich kids tend to get away with things - like the rapist who was just let off, so that he could "enjoy the college experience": http://samuel-warde.com/2016/08/no-jail-time-can-enjoy-college-experience/ ).

My mother was all for Trump a year ago, which I never understood. The more outrageous he got, I think she went off him, but immigration was the one bugaboo she had, because she was put through so much, just to be allowed to stay and work here (even though she was married to an American, and her two children were/are American citizens).

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posted August 25, 2016 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In this case "softens" means flip flop. So, will he lose the hard core base that based their support on his hard core tactics?

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posted August 25, 2016 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It means doing the right thing for those who have been here a while and especially those who have a family. There's nothing wrong with evolving one's stance over time and experiencing personal growth that reflects what the people want. It's a fair middle ground.

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posted August 25, 2016 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about the hard core right winger fundamentalists who wanted all illegal immigrants from Mexico deported?

You`re right, I don`t believe he flipped flopped.
I think it`s a ploy for votes. His first stance is the product he will serve up.
For the record, I like his middle ground fibbing more than his deporting truths.

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posted August 25, 2016 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People don't want a hard stance. He listened to what the overwhelming majority want. In doing so, he will follow the letter of the law. He will deport the criminals ASAP as allowed according to the current law (he will just enforce it). There will be no voting rights or citizenship for those here illegally. It's fair and just. With Hillary, you don't know what you are going to get. One day, she's going to put coal miners out of business, and the next day, she is going to protect them. Her speeches are against Wall Street, and she says she is going to make Wall Street pay much more in taxes, but she received millions from them, so we know that was all a lie. Trump tells you what he is going to do. There is talk that he will put it in writing--like the Contract With America that Newt helped create when the Republicans won the House and Senate years ago.

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posted August 28, 2016 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by juniperb:
What about the hard core right winger fundamentalists who wanted all illegal immigrants from Mexico deported?

You`re right, I don`t believe he flipped flopped.
I think it`s a ploy for votes. His first stance is the product he will serve up.
For the record, I like his middle ground fibbing more than his deporting truths.


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posted August 30, 2016 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Criminals have to go. No doubt! This is proposed: Law-abiding families stay, but no citizenship, no amnesty, and they must pay taxes.

Fair enough.

quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
It means doing the right thing for those who have been here a while and especially those who have a family. There's nothing wrong with evolving one's stance over time and experiencing personal growth that reflects what the people want. It's a fair middle ground.

Trump changing his mind: evolving one's stance over time and experiencing personal growth.

Hillary or Obama changing their mind: Flip flopping.

Randall, you're a trip.
Don't kick me out, I was just passing through. Yeah, my post is just a hit and run.

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posted August 30, 2016 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a big difference from evoloving and a complete polar opposite.

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posted August 31, 2016 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people are starting to call him Amnesty Don.

#AmnestyDon

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posted August 31, 2016 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rational people would wait a few hours and see what Trump plans to do on illegal alien immigration.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if every cable network...and perhaps broadcast networks too, carry Trump's immigration speech. Scheduled for tonight, 6pm, 9pm Eastern Daylight Time, 8-31-16, in Phoenix, Arizona.

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posted August 31, 2016 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump's visit to Mexico was very presidential. Hillary now leads by only two points.

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posted August 31, 2016 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dream weaver ..

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posted September 01, 2016 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(Partial) Transcript of Donald Trump’s Immigration Speech and Ten Point Plan…
August 31, 2016
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Today Donald Trump outlined ten specific points which highlight his immigration position:

♦ One: We will build a wall along the Southern Border.
♦ Two: End Catch-And-Release
♦ Three: Zero tolerance for criminal aliens.
♦ Four: Block Funding For Sanctuary Cities
♦ Five: Cancel Unconstitutional Executive Orders & Enforce All Immigration Laws
♦ Six: We Are Going To Suspend The Issuance Of Visas To Any Place Where Adequate Screening Cannot Occur
♦ Seven: We will ensure that other countries take their people back when we order them deported.
♦ Eight: We will finally complete the biometric entry-exit visa tracking system.
♦ Nine: We will turn off the jobs and benefits magnet [E-Verify].
♦ Ten: We will reform legal immigration to serve the best interests of America and its workers.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

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posted September 01, 2016 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was the turning point for Trump! Best speech so far! The Angel Parents were very moving.

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posted September 02, 2016 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
softening??

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posted September 03, 2016 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No question Trump is softer than I am.

If it were up to me, I'd round up every 18-45 male illegal alien in America. Send them to Army training centers around the United States where they would undergo "Basic Training", "Advanced Infantry Training" and Basic Unit Training. They would also be taught the principles of Constitutional Representative Government, given a copy of the US Constitution, The Preamble to the Constitution and a copy of The Declaration of Independence...with heavy emphasis on the "purpose of government":

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Then, I'd give each of them an M-16, a 1000 rounds of 5.56 NATO ammunition and smuggle them back across the border into Mexico.

Within 30 days, Mexico would close the border with the US and station Mexican soldiers every 100 feet along the border to stop any further illegal immigration into the United States....and prevent the return of any trained aliens back to Mexico.

Trump is just an old "softie".

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