posted September 15, 2016 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
He was caught completely off guard. He ended his speech shortly after because his sole purpose of going there to be seen looking like he cares, and then bash Hillary about how everything wrong is her fault and it wouldn't have happened on his watch. He didn't know what else to say once she asked him to focus on the work the church had done in response to the water crisis.

How is insulting the woman and insinuating that she had some agenda against him handling it well?

He also claimed that the booing from the crowd was because the Pastor interrupted him. They were booing and heckling him even before she got up! She even told the crowd to respect him as their guest to stop them from heckling him. The inner workings of his mind are quite fascinating. He has such an altered version of reality.

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Exactly!

posted September 15, 2016 11:53 PM            

But, the EPA...run by democrats...in a democrat administration knew about the water pollution problem and did nothing!

posted September 16, 2016 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Say, is the Mayor of Flint Michigan a republican? Thought not. The Governor of Michigan had nothing to do with this water problem in Flint.

But, the EPA...run by democrats...in a democrat administration knew about the water pollution problem and did nothing!

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jwop I suggest you do your homework. Gov Snyder and his appointees are personally responsible for poisoning people.

The Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance is a division of the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality. As the name suggests the quality of drinking water is regulated by the state of Michingan, not the cities.

In 2011 the governor appointed an emergency manager to Flint, and the city has been run by his hand picked emergency managers until last year. The elected mayor and city council had no authority over Flint, and water quality is overseen by the state government. This gave the state more authority than it would've otherwise had.

posted September 16, 2016 09:22 AM            

The Governor of Michigan had nothing to do with the city's decision.

The name of the Mayor of Flint Michigan...at the time the decision was made to change Flint's water supply is Dayne Walling...2009-2015.

"Dayne Walling (born March 3, 1974) was the mayor of Flint, Michigan from 2009 to 2015. Although the Flint mayor's office is a nonpartisan position, Walling is a member of the Democratic Party."

posted September 16, 2016 10:24 AM            

September 16, 2016
Nothing in Common
William Campenni

"You're the last person I thought would ever come through for me."

As he is wheeled out of the hospital, lamed and helpless from the amputation of his gangrenous appendages, recently fired from his job, divorced by his wife, and shunned by his friends, an embittered and declining Max Basner (Jackie Gleason), speaks these words to his long-estranged but now supportive playboy son (Tom Hanks) in the 1986 film Nothing in Common.

It was the dying Gleason's last film, and one of Hanks' first serious roles.

For me, and hopefully an electoral majority of voters, Donald Trump is likewise the last person I thought would ever come through for me."

Yes, Trump and I have Nothing in Common. I will never be invited to the Trump Towers, nor ride on the Trump airplane. I don't expect to ever play on a Trump golf course, and he never asked me to judge the Miss Universe contest. I can't even afford a Trump Steak.

But I am supporting Donald Trump, because America is on the cusp of the dissolution of its values, ideals, goodness, and culture, a decline the elites in the ruling class and their allies in media and politics not only refuse to recognize, but even exacerbate. Of all the characters that have marched across the political stage this year, Democrat and Republican, it seems that only Trump is looking out for us. The rest are pandering to the donor class, Wall Street, the tribal entities, the globalists, illegal aliens, and the entitlement recipients.

We Deplorables might have hoped our rescuer would be a reincarnated Ronald Reagan, riding in on a white horse. Instead, we got the Orkin Man, or the Cable Guy. But Hillary Clinton, or Jeb Bush can't or won't exterminate my roaches, or bring a picture to my TV, or save my country. Donald Trump can.

The symptoms of our America in extremis are all around us.

Our flag, anthem, and history are defiled. Rules of law are only for us to obey, not the Clintonian grifters. We are tasked with the burden of defending this nation with our lives, while our rulers eschew victories and let our enemies mock us. Our Middle Class incomes drop, while those at the top get more wealthy and take our diminishing monies to purchase the electoral loyalty of an underclass they keep in bondage. Once venerable institutions like the FBI, the Supreme Court, even the IRS, are now corrupt political Mafias protecting and enriching their favored dons and capos. Our schools are politically-correct wastelands, intellectual deserts without knowledge, history, or civics. Our debts are unserviceable. Foreign entities are vacuuming away our jobs and wealth, and foreign invaders are crashing our borders and stealing our culture, with the approval and aid of indifferent leaders, immunized from the havoc and suffering they bring upon the rest of us.

America's greatness arose from a novel and now seemingly forgotten concept -- that its people, applying rights and powers devolved from their Creator, can rule themselves better than a monarch, plutocrat, or liege.

Its founding document, which reneging leaders and judges once swore to preserve, protect, and defend, begins with a simple yet profound "WE, the People." Our greatest president considered his greatest task to ensure "that this government of the people, by the people, and for the people shall not perish from the earth."

Tonight, like any other night this election season, the denizens of punditry will be exchanging scathing commentary among themselves, their connected politicians, and the political consultants about the odious Donald Trump. They certainly won't be talking to us, the people. We are so far beneath them.

They can't understand how a Donald Trump can even exist, let alone find purchase among so many of those voting commoners. To them, in the words of the establishment candidate they support, it must be that we are " racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic" and also pretty stupid. To her and her aristocracy, we are "not America." We fight their wars, fund their philanthropy, obey their laws, create their wealth, produce their food, protect their families -- but we are not America?

Ironically, Clinton was inadvertently correct, if somewhat obtuse, when she opined “that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re desperate for change.”

Yep, Hillary Clinton, along with the Paul Ryans, et al, by their words, actions, and deceits, have shown that nobody in their Ruling Class cares about us, and our quaint tenets of the country we love, the deity we worship, the laws we obey, the families we support. It is they with whom we have nothing in common.

But I believe Donald Trump does. I know that he is not perfect, that his brashness may occasionally offend, and that his beliefs may at times diverge from mine. With Trump I may have nothing in common, save for wanting to make America great again and for We, the People, all of us, to make this great America ours again.

Donald Trump is the last person we thought would ever come through for us.

posted September 16, 2016 11:43 AM            

When the methodology changes, so too does the result. Multiple polls are now presenting Donald Trump as the lead candidate. Actually, far more than the graphic above.

According to Monmouth (pollster Patrick Murray) Donald Trump is now leading 45% to Clinton’s 37% (see here). Trump is also winning in Colorado 42/38 (see here). Fox News also shifted their national methodology (pollster Daron Shaw) (see here) and now shows Donald Trump in the lead:

Why and HOW did all the pollsters simultaneously come to the same decision?

Beats the heck out of me.

Seriously.

I can’t come up with a reasonable, intellectually honest, explanation about how a half dozen polling outfits could possibly make a specific decision, simultaneously – without going into a lengthy conversation about how the top of the feeder pool, the corporate media controllers, communicate amid themselves.

Absent of a national convention of media polling consultants convening after Labor Day, the only reasonable explanation can be instructions from the penthouse suites.

However, while it might be challenging to figure out HOW the pollsters came to the conclusion, the WHY aspect is perhaps a little less difficult.

As we have continually outlined, the media polls are horsepucky. Not just now, all year. Media polls carry the same ideological bias as the media broadcast. The most likely reason for the WHY, is they are positioning to save their credibility.

These media polling presentations can’t keep claiming Hillary is ahead by 10 points all the way to election day, and then have an election where she loses 55/45, (10 points in the exact opposite direction) without a complete collapse of any media polling credibility.

Ergo, make some adjustments now…

But don’t get too happy, almost all of the polling outfits are still using the 2012 election turnouts in the partisanship or party turnout projections/assumptions. If they ever get around to adjusting the turnout assumptions, watch out… they might begin predicting Trump in a landslide….

Wait?.. Wha?… Huh?… Yeah, well, never mind.

posted September 16, 2016 12:05 PM            

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Hmmm, it was the city of Flint Michigan which decided to switch their water source to save the city money.

The Governor of Michigan had nothing to do with the city's decision.

The name of the Mayor of Flint Michigan...at the time the decision was made to change Flint's water supply is Dayne Walling...2009-2015.

"Dayne Walling (born March 3, 1974) was the mayor of Flint, Michigan from 2009 to 2015. Although the Flint mayor's office is a nonpartisan position, [b]Walling is a member of the Democratic Party."

Attempts to switch responsibility for the water pollution problem from democrats...the Mayor of Flint...and democrats in the EPA in the democrat administration of the Marxist Messiah Obama...to the republican Governor of Michigan is right out of the corrupt democrat playbook. But, the responsibility for the switch to polluted water rests with the Flint city administration and Walling, the democrat Mayor.[/B]

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jwop, I suggest that you educate yourself and learn the facts. It looks like all you did was go to wikipedia and saw that the mayor was a Democrat, and immediately jumped to conclusions about accountability.

The Flint Water Advisory Task Force Final Report, which was commissioned by Gov Snyder, concluded that the state was responsible for what happened. Several state employees have been charged with criminal offenses due to their role.

This is just the summary statement of the report, but I have read through the sections that discuss the various levels of government and what role they played. I suggest you do the same, because you are grossly misinformed and ignorant of the facts.

"The Flint water crisis is a story of government failure, intransigence, unpreparedness, delay,
inaction, and environmental injustice. The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality
(MDEQ) failed in its fundamental responsibility to effectively enforce drinking water regulations.
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) failed to adequately and
promptly act to protect public health. Both agencies, but principally the MDEQ, stubbornly
worked to discredit and dismiss others’ attempts to bring the issues of unsafe water, lead
contamination, and increased cases of Legionellosis (Legionnaires’ disease) to light. With the City
of Flint under emergency management, the Flint Water Department rushed unprepared into fulltime
operation of the Flint Water Treatment Plant, drawing water from a highly corrosive source
without the use of corrosion control. Though MDEQ was delegated primacy (authority to enforce
federal law), the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) delayed enforcement of
the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA) and Lead and Copper Rule (LCR), thereby prolonging the
calamity. Neither the Governor nor the Governor’s office took steps to reverse poor decisions by
MDEQ and state-appointed emergency managers until October 2015, in spite of mounting
problems and suggestions to do so by senior staff members in the Governor’s office, in part
because of continued reassurances from MDEQ that the water was safe. The significant
consequences of these failures for Flint will be long-lasting. They have deeply affected Flint’s
public health, its economic future, and residents’ trust in government.

The Flint water crisis occurred when state-appointed emergency managers replaced local
representative decision-making in Flint, removing the checks and balances and public
accountability that come with public decision-making. Emergency managers made key decisions
that contributed to the crisis, from the use of the Flint River to delays in reconnecting to DWSD
once water quality problems were encountered. Given the demographics of Flint, the
implications for environmental injustice cannot be ignored or dismissed.

The Flint water crisis is also a story, however, of something that did work: the critical role played
by engaged Flint citizens, by individuals both inside and outside of government who had the
expertise and willingness to question and challenge government leadership, and by members of a
free press who used the tools that enable investigative journalism. Without their courage and
persistence, this crisis likely never would have been brought to light and mitigation efforts never
begun."

The full report can be found here...
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/snyder/FWATF_FINAL_REPORT_21March2016_517805_7.pdf

posted September 16, 2016 03:52 PM            

Ha haa haaa haaaa . Who is serving up a lying poo stew?

posted September 16, 2016 04:22 PM            

The Democratic Roots of the Birther Movement
Joshua Green
from Bloomberg Businessweek
May 30, 2012

"The idea of going after Obama’s otherness dates back to the last presidential election—and to Democrats. Long before Trump started in, Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, recognized this potential vulnerability in Obama and sought to exploit it. In a March 2007 memo to Clinton (that later found its way to me), Penn wrote: “All of these articles about his boyhood in Indonesia and his life in Hawaii are geared toward showing his background is diverse, multicultural and putting it in a new light,” he wrote. “Save it for 2050. It also exposes a very strong weakness for him—his roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and his values.”

Penn also suggested how the campaign might take advantage of this. “Every speech should contain the line that you were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century,” he advised Clinton. “And talk about the basic bargain as about [sic] the deeply American values you grew up with, learned as a child, and that drive you today.” He went on: “Let’s explicitly own ‘American’ in our programs, the speeches and the values. He doesn’t … Let’s add flag symbols to the backgrounds [of campaign events].”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-05-30/the-democratic-roots-of-the-bi rther-movement

posted September 16, 2016 04:40 PM            

JOHN NOLTE
26 Sep 2015
Maggie Haberman: 'There Were Some Supporters of Hillary Clinton Who Started the Birther Movement

New analysis from the Washington Post removes any doubt that the anti-Obama Birther movement was started in 2007 and 2008 by Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and her Democrat supporters.

As Breitbart News reported earlier this month, other left-wing media outlets, like Politico and the Guardian, had already traced the Birther movement back to Democrats and Ms. Clinton. Using his wayback machine on Wednesday, the Post‘s David Weigel took an in-depth look at the origins of the false rumors that President Obama is a practicing Muslim who was not born in a America. Weigel’s reporting contains the final pieces of a very disturbing puzzle.

posted September 16, 2016 04:44 PM            

I clearly understand the Republicans distress and embarassment at Trumps lie and flip flopping. It is certainly not anyway to finish it and of course, he will be the reality star of the discussions over it.

This will hurt more than help him.

Trump on Birtherism: Wrong, and Wrong

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Donald Trump finally, definitively allowed that “President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period.” But his terse statement on the matter included two falsehoods.

“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it,” Trump said in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 16. Neither of those things is true.

As we have written before, there’s no evidence that Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with bogus claims that Obama wasn’t born in the United States and thus was ineligible to be president.

What we do know, as we wrote in November 2008, is that some diehard Clinton supporters pushed that theory during that year’s presidential campaign. But again, there is no evidence that either Clinton herself or anyone on her campaign staff was involved in that.

On March 19, 2007, then Clinton adviser Mark Penn wrote a strategy memo to Clinton that identified Obama’s “lack of American roots” as something that “could hold him back.” That memo, which was part of campaign documents featured in a September 2008 article in The Atlantic, cited Obama’s “boyhood in Indonesia and his life in Hawaii” as life experiences that made his “basic American values … at best limited.” But Penn’s memo did not question Obama’s birthplace or his birth certificate. It advised Clinton to contrast her life experiences in middle America “without turning negative.”

“We are never going to say anything about his background,” Penn wrote

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someone didn`t get the memo....

posted September 16, 2016 04:50 PM            

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No one takes the Washington Post seriously anymore. They are barely more than a tabloid.

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jwhops article

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New analysis from the Washington Post removes any doubt that the anti-Obama Birther movement was started in 2007 and 2008 by Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and her Democrat supporters.

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Thank you for the "tabloid" submission

posted September 16, 2016 05:16 PM            

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Bombshell: ‘Washington Post’ Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement

[b]JOHN NOLTE
26 Sep 2015
Maggie Haberman: 'There Were Some Supporters of Hillary Clinton Who Started the Birther Movement

New analysis from the Washington Post removes any doubt that the anti-Obama Birther movement was started in 2007 and 2008 by Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and her Democrat supporters.

As Breitbart News reported earlier this month, other left-wing media outlets, like Politico and the Guardian, had already traced the Birther movement back to Democrats and Ms. Clinton. Using his wayback machine on Wednesday, the Post‘s David Weigel took an in-depth look at the origins of the false rumors that President Obama is a practicing Muslim who was not born in a America. Weigel’s reporting contains the final pieces of a very disturbing puzzle.

What Weigel found and re-reported was astounding, details many of us had forgotten or never heard of, including a 2007 bombshell memo from the Clinton campaign’s chief strategist..........
http://www.alipac.us/f9/bombshell-%91washington-post%92-confi rms-hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement-337401/ [/B]

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Seriously? Where does it say that he was not born in the United States?

The issue is not about his exposure to other cultures as a child, the issue is that there has been an ongoing right wing conspiracy theory that Obama was not actually born in the US. The birthers (led by Trump) sought to deligitimize his entire presidency by claiming that he was not born on American soil, thus he was not eligible to be President. That would actually be a moot point even if he was born overseas, because his mother was an American citizen, so he would automatically be an American citizen.

Even after the birth certificate was shown, Trump still wouldn't let it go and has fanned the flames by suggesting that the certificate is fake. He has also demanded to see Obama's school transcripts and says that no one even knew Obama until he was an adult, insinuating that he didn't actually attend Harvard Law School.

This birther issue is extremely important because it is largely responsible for Trump's popularity with many far right wingers. The fact is that many people just cannot accept that a black man can be president, and that is a very sad reflection of a country that is exceptional in so many ways. Progress is being made, and the racist xenophobes can't handle it, so they will go to any lengths to regain control.