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Randall
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posted September 16, 2016 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just another example of religious bigotry at the Hillary camp. What if Trump had done that?

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posted September 17, 2016 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those Hillary Birther reports are good stuff Randall.

Here's more. Btw, anyone who doesn't know who Sidney Blumenthal is should go look it up. His nickname is Sid Vicious and he's worked for the Clintons all the way back to the Clinton White House days.

David Goldstein
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Two supporters of Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign reportedly shared the claim that then-rival Barack Obama was not born in the United States and thus was not eligible to be president.

One was a volunteer in Iowa, who was fired, Clinton’s former campaign manager said Friday. The other was Clinton confidant Sidney Blumenthal, according to a former McClatchy Washington Bureau chief.

The issue arose Friday as Donald Trump finally acknowledged that Obama was born in the U.S. Trump, a leading champion of the debunked “birther” conspiracy theory for years, attempted to blame Clinton for starting it when she ran against Obama in 2008 for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Donald Trump said that President Obama was born in the United States during an event at Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C. on September 16, 2016. He also claimed that the birther issue was started by Hillary Clinton's campaign when she ran for president in 2008.
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In fact, there were several people publicly pushing the theory, which was repeated extensively on conservative news outlets. There were the two Clinton supporters, but there is no evidence that Clinton herself or her campaign spread the story. (Sorry but Sid Vicious worked for Hillary)

Patti Solis Doyle, Clinton’s campaign manager during part of the 2008 race, told CNN on Friday that an Iowa campaign worker had passed on an email about the birther conspiracy and that Clinton quickly fired him.

Solis Doyle said she’d called Obama campaign official David Plouffe at the time “to apologize and basically say that this was not coming from us. It was a rogue volunteer coordinator.”

Meanwhile, former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief James Asher tweeted Friday that Blumenthal had “told me in person” that Obama was born in Kenya.

“During the 2008 Democratic primary, Sid Blumenthal visited the Washington Bureau of McClatchy Co.,” Asher said in an email Friday to McClatchy, noting that he was at the time the investigative editor and in charge of Africa coverage.

“During that meeting, Mr. Blumenthal and I met together in my office and he strongly urged me to investigate the exact place of President Obama’s birth, which he suggested was in Kenya. We assigned a reporter to go to Kenya, and that reporter determined that the allegation was false.

“At the time of Mr. Blumenthal’s conversation with me, there had been a few news articles published in various outlets reporting on rumors about Obama’s birthplace. While Mr. Blumenthal offered no concrete proof of Obama’s Kenyan birth, I felt that, as journalists, we had a responsibility to determine whether or not those rumors were true. They were not.”

The Trump campaign issued a news release with a portion of Solis Doyle’s interview and a link to memos back then to Clinton from Mark Penn, her 2008 pollster. One raises the issue of Obama’s “lack of American roots.” Obama was born in Hawaii. His father was Kenyan and his mother was from Kansas.

Penn’s memo said, “Every speech should contain the line that you were born in the middle of America in the middle class in the middle of the last century.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102354777.html

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posted September 17, 2016 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sid Blumenthal (who was Hillary's top aide) told James Asher Obama wasn't born here and to go investigate.

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posted September 17, 2016 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha! I was posting that also. Thanks for providing more detail!

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posted September 17, 2016 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I swear Randall, every time Hillary turns around, she steps in it. With all the reports about her campaign starting the Birther movement, one would have thought she'd keep her mouth shut about the Birther issue. There's just too much information out there to hide it all.

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posted September 17, 2016 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FactCheck has really lost credibility now.

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posted September 17, 2016 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Seriously? Where does it say that he was not born in the United States?

The issue is not about his exposure to other cultures as a child, the issue is that there has been an ongoing right wing conspiracy theory that Obama was not actually born in the US. The birthers (led by Trump) sought to deligitimize his entire presidency by claiming that he was not born on American soil, thus he was not eligible to be President. That would actually be a moot point even if he was born overseas, because his mother was an American citizen, so he would automatically be an American citizen.

Even after the birth certificate was shown, Trump still wouldn't let it go and has fanned the flames by suggesting that the certificate is fake. He has also demanded to see Obama's school transcripts and says that no one even knew Obama until he was an adult, insinuating that he didn't actually attend Harvard Law School.

This birther issue is extremely important because it is largely responsible for Trump's popularity with many far right wingers. The fact is that many people just cannot accept that a black man can be president, and that is a very sad reflection of a country that is exceptional in so many ways. Progress is being made, and the racist xenophobes can't handle it, so they will go to any lengths to regain control.

Trump continues to attempt to rewrite history. He blames Hillary for the entire birther movement, which is downright delusional, and at the same time pats himself on the back for getting to the bottom of Hillary's claims. ??? I often feel like I've entered the Twilight Zone when trying to make sense of his logic.


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posted September 17, 2016 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She thinks she is going to win and that nothing can stop her. They threw a birthday party today where people had to pay $250K to their foundation to attend. Or the impoverished could just pay $100K. With all the pay for play controversy and even her own party calling her to close down the foundation. Can you imagine the sheer hubris of this corrupt woman? The optics are clear that people who paid will have access to her "when" she wins.

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posted September 17, 2016 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Hillary started the birther poo & he "finished" it.

Ha haa haaa haaaa . Who is serving up a lying poo stew?


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posted September 17, 2016 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her camp did start it. And Trump finished it. She had big plans to use that for debate fodder. Brilliant strategic move for Trump. Check and mate.

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posted September 17, 2016 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Her camp did start it. And Trump finished it. She had big plans to use that for debate fodder. Brilliant strategic move for Trump. Check and mate.

Once again, where is it stated in Hillary's campaign strategy that Obama was born on foreign soil?

Trump has literally been beating this drum for over 5 years. There is video, audio, and it's in writing that he is a birther, and even after seeing Obama's birth certificate he refused to believe that it was legitimate.

The only "evidence" against Hillary is a memo from a campaign volunteer that suggested that a good strategy would be to highlight the fact that Obama spent some of his formative years overseas. No where does it say that Obama was born overseas, and Hillary never perpetuated these desperate tactics to paint Obama in a negative light. Hillary was never a birther, and if anyone really believes that she was....you are a f@cking ignorant kool-aid drinker. Do your homework, think for yourself, and quit taking the right wing propoganda as gospel!

I will say that I have never, and hopefully never will trust any potential Presidental candidate with the almost religious fervor that Trump supporters do. It's disturbing!!! His many faults are totally overlooked, while his opponents are dragged through the mud for the most minute foible.


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posted September 17, 2016 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are describing yourself! You defend every corrupt thing the Clintons do! Hillary's top aide said Obama wasn't born here and asked it to be investigated! Wake up!

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posted September 17, 2016 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never denied Trump being a birther for years. But it has been posted repeatedly here what Bill said about Obama. And Hillary even referenced Kennedy being assassinated in relation to Obama. Even the left media covered that one.

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posted September 17, 2016 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bluejay:
Once again, where is it stated in Hillary's campaign strategy that Obama was born on foreign soil?

Trump has literally been beating this drum for over 5 years. There is video, audio, and it's in writing that he is a birther, and even after seeing Obama's birth certificate he refused to believe that it was legitimate.

The only "evidence" against Hillary is a memo from a campaign volunteer that suggested that a good strategy would be to highlight the fact that Obama spent some of his formative years overseas. No where does it say that Obama was born overseas, and Hillary never perpetuated these desperate tactics to paint Obama in a negative light. Hillary was never a birther, and if anyone really believes that she was....you are a f@cking ignorant kool-aid drinker. Do your homework, think for yourself, and quit taking the right wing propoganda as gospel!

I will say that I have never, and hopefully never will trust any potential Presidental candidate with the almost religious fervor that Trump supporters do. It's disturbing!!! His many faults are totally overlooked, while his opponents are dragged through the mud for the most minute foible.


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posted September 17, 2016 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But Hillary supporters have made supporting her their new religion. They ignore all evidence. These are not minor foibles. She wiped the server AFTER receiving a Congressional subpoena. That's minor? She used Bleachbit. And then she joked about using a cloth. To turn a blind eye to that is fanaticism. What she will do in the white house will make Nixon seem like Saint Mother Teresa.

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posted September 17, 2016 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You are describing yourself! You defend every corrupt thing the Clintons do! Hillary's top aide said Obama wasn't born here and asked it to be investigated! Wake up!

That's a load of bull. Pretty much every liberal here has remarked on Clinton's faults. We're well aware of them. It's the right side that worships a candidate with such grandiose delusion that even whispers of the truth from their own party are ignored. It's the conservatives that need to wake up...to the very real possibility that their candidate could ruin this country.

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posted September 17, 2016 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really? Remind me. What are Hillary's faults?

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posted September 17, 2016 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I won't hold my breath. And Trump will make this country great again. Safe again. Prosperous again. Hillary will say anything to get elected and do nothing.

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posted September 17, 2016 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Really? Remind me. What are Hillary's faults?

I'll be happy to list them, if you can list Trump's without deflecting or insulting a Democrat.

I suspect you can't.

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posted September 17, 2016 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking of whispers of the truth from their own party, the Democrats are telling the Clintons to close down the foundation.

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posted September 17, 2016 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're the one who said every liberal here has already done so. Got a single link to back that up?

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posted September 17, 2016 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Trump will make this country great again. Safe again. Prosperous again.

The very fact that you worship him like a god, should be a huge red flag to you.

No one person can "save" this country. He is not a savior, and viewing him in that light is really dangerous and concerning.

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posted September 17, 2016 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This country is on the brink of ruin. Lowest job participation since the 70s. Obama remarked at how $9 trillion in debt sold our children's future to the Chinese...and then he more than doubled that! He ran up more debt than all previous presidents combined! Obama is the ONLY president never to reach 3% GDP! We can only go up from here.

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posted September 17, 2016 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, not a god. Trump is an outsider not owned by special interests. Hillary is only going to represent her Wall Street contributors. Trump is the voice of the people. He won't do it alone. Many people will assist.

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You're the one who said every liberal here has already done so. Got a single link to back that up?

I just proved a point that you can't go one day without attacking a Democrat on here or deflecting from the truth. If you could, you would've accepted that offer.

If you can't remember the many times that juni, Bluejay or any other liberal in here has agreed with your criticisms, then you've got a problem. I'm not going to scour thousands of replies to refresh your faulty memory. You can do that yourself.

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