posted September 20, 2016 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Can anyone post his imitation of Cruz loop for me?

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I couldn't find anything that I could copy and paste here, but it's on the video Randall posted.

posted September 20, 2016 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
First responders of all types saw people celebrating in the 911 aftermath. Revisionist history at its worst.

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Where is your evidence?

The article that Trump was attempting to use as evidence to back up his claims of seeing thousands of people dancing and celebrating, said no such thing. Here is the part he was referring to....

"In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river."

There was no mention of thousands of people dancing, which Donald Trump later claimed to witness himself from his penthouse in Trump Tower. Trump also never mentioned anything about this in the book Where Were You on 9/11, a compilation of stories from 9/11 which he wrote the forward to.

Below is the full article which was co-written by Serge Kovaleski and Fredrick Kunkle, and published on September 18, 2001

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ archive/politics/2001/09/18/northern-new-jersey-draws-probers-eyes/40f82ea4-e015-4d6e-a87e-93aa433fafdc/?tid=a_inl

Fredrick Kunkle, the co-author of that 9/18/01 article later said “I specifically visited the Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened. But I could never verify that report.”

Funny that you used the phrase "revisionist history" because that's exactly what Trump is accused of, and he's trying to pass the blame onto this reporter. Even his claims that the reporter was groveling are made up.

When asked about whether or not the reports about "thousands of people dancing" were true, Kovaleski said “I certainly do not remember anyone saying that thousands or even hundreds of people were celebrating. That was not the case, as best as I can remember.” This was the response that Trump was referring to about the reporter groveling and not remembering.

So Trump misquoted this article and grossly exaggerated claims that people were seen celebrating. Then he lied and claimed that he witnessed thousands of people dancing with his own eyes, citing this article as evidence. When he was proven wrong, he accused the reporter of groveling and forgetting what he'd written.

Here is Trump's response about his unfounded claims, and making fun of the reporter.

"I said 'dancing, rooftops, street, whatever.’ And we couldn’t find too much stuff confirming what I said. And all of suddenly someone comes up with an article and the article is written by this guy who said he met me many, many years ago. And the article is a great article for me. It talked about dancing, all the things. And I said, ‘here’s an article.’ I said I think he was with The Washington Post when he wrote the article. And he wrote this article. And it was great and I said here’s the article. And it really shut a lot of people up. It was pretty much on point, not 100 percent, but pretty much. It was an article written by a major newspaper. And the author of this article was this guy. And the press started calling him. They are calling him a lot. And obviously the other side of things started calling him also, saying ‘this article is not good, because this is sort of confirming what Trump is saying. They were dancing, they were happy. This is not good.’ So all of the sudden, the guy — I think the article was almost 15 years old — he starts changing the article, that he made a mistake, he this, he that. I didn’t know what he looked like. I didn’t know he was disabled. I didn’t know it, I didn’t know it at all. I had no idea. So I started imitating somebody — I didn’t speak to the guy — somebody that was groveling. Everyone know what grovel is? At the time I did the act, I did the whole thing with groveling. And I said he’s groveling, he said, ‘no, no, the article, I was wrong on the article.’ I was doing a whole big number. ‘I was wrong, I promise you, I made a mistake when I wrote the article.’ He was groveling, grovel, grovel, grovel. That was the end of it. All of a sudden, I get reports that I was imitating a reporter who was handicapped. I would never do that.”

The reporter never groveled, never said he was wrong or that he made a mistake. It's yet another one of Trump's lies. Trump has also met him on several occasions, so he was aware of his disability.

posted September 20, 2016 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:

Trump, Nov. 21, 2015: Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering. So something’s going on. We’ve got to find out what it is.

A day later, on ABC’s “This Week,” Trump stuck to that story: “It did happen. I saw it. … It was on television. I saw it. … There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down.”

Of course lying is different than mocking but lying led to the mocking, yes?

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posted September 20, 2016 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
It was that reporter who wrote the article claiming Muslims were celebrating the attack on the World Trade Center.

Years later...after it became an article of far left lunatic faith that Islam is a religion of peace, this lying little leftist twit lied and said he didn't remember. His own copy of the article he wrote would have refreshed his memory. So would a copy of his article in the morgue files of his newspaper. But, that wasn't his intent. His intent was to hide the truth from plain view. Hence..."I don't remember".

Trump called him out for his lying, using the very same arm gestures he's used in other instances when he's ridiculing others who are way over the line. Just as video clips Randall posted proves.

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Trump is the liar!

This is the only thing close to corroborating his story about 'thousands of people dancing and celebrating on rooftops'.....

"In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river." From the Kovaleski/Kunkle Washington Post article on 9/18/01

posted September 22, 2016 12:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
Trump is the liar!

This is the only thing close to corroborating his story about 'thousands of people dancing and celebrating on rooftops'.....

"In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river." From the Kovaleski/Kunkle Washington Post article on 9/18/01

These allegations were never substantiated, and Trump's version of the reporter "groveling" were a desperate attempt for him to save face over being caught in a lie.

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posted September 22, 2016 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I thought Kasich was a Democrat.

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posted September 22, 2016 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:

Who should I believe, a known liar like Trump or my lying eyes?

I have no doubt in my mind that Trump was making fun of him. He denies ever meeting the reporter or knowing that he is disabled. Trump later said that he might have met the reporter once, but didn't know that he was disabled. The reporter says they met several times and I believe him.

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posted September 22, 2016 07:54 AM            

The video Randall posted shows Trump laying into others who were over the line with exactly the same arm gestures.

posted September 22, 2016 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
That little leftist twit reporter got ridiculed...not because he's disabled, but because he lied, saying he didn't remember what he wrote. He, and the rest of the lying press deserve all the ridicule they get...and more. As it is, the press is rated "less credible" than used car salespersons and it's well deserved.

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He never said he didn't remember what he wrote in the article. He said he didn't remember any reports claiming to see thousands of people celebrating. The article in question from September 18, 2001 is linked above, although I'm sure you won't read it because it contradicts Trump's false claims that Kovaleski wrote about thousands of people dancing and celebrating.

“I certainly do not remember anyone saying that thousands or even hundreds of people were celebrating. That was not the case, as best as I can remember.” Serge Kovaleski

This was the response that Trump was referring to about the reporter groveling and not remembering. He never groveled and what he didn't remember were claims about mass numbers of people celebrating. Trump is lying!

posted September 22, 2016 11:38 PM            

Why didn't you?

Instead, you linked to a lying story from the same Washington Compost written in 2015...about the incident.

posted September 23, 2016 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
You were supposed to link to the original story that little lying twit reporter wrote.

Why didn't you?

Instead, you linked to a lying story from the same Washington Compost written in 2015...about the incident.

No sale.

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posted September 23, 2016 04:09 PM            

Here is what Trump said at a rally on November 21,2015....

"I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

He told George Stephanopoulos during an interview the next day...

"It was on television. I saw it. It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good."

Trump insisted that this article from 9/18/01 proved him right. Once again, a number of people being questioned is not equivalent to "thousands and thousands", not to mention the fact that Trump insists that this was widely covered on the news. It wasn't. A few days later, Trump tried to spin the situation and accuse the reporter of forgetting what he wrote and groveling. Yet another one of Trump's delusions.

Kunkle, the co-author of the article even visited the building where the "number of people" were supposedly celebrating and could never verify that this actually happened.

posted September 24, 2016 08:06 AM            

2 is "a number".
2000 is "a number".

Now, stop trying to change the subject. The fact is, that lying little twit wrote that story 15 years ago in which Trump made reference to Muslims celebrating the destruction of the WTC...which is what the lying twits article says..."Muslims celebrating".

Trump mocked the lying little twit, not because he's disabled, but because he conveniently lost his memory. The far left lunatic fringe has a new meme when it comes to Muslims...see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil...about Muslims. For instance, the leftist lunatic communist Mayor of New York couldn't bring himself to even admit the Islamic terrorist attacks in New Jersey and New York city were terrorist attacks. He was finally shamed into admitting it when even Crash Dummy intellects knew it was manifestly true.

posted September 24, 2016 09:37 AM            

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"law enforcement authorities detained and questioned [b]a number of people....

2 is "a number".
2000 is "a number".

Now, stop trying to change the subject. The fact is, that lying little twit wrote that story 15 years ago in which Trump made reference to Muslims celebrating the destruction of the WTC...which is what the lying twits article says..."Muslims celebrating".

Trump mocked the lying little twit, not because he's disabled, but because he conveniently lost his memory. The far left lunatic fringe has a new meme when it comes to Muslims...see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil...about Muslims. For instance, the leftist lunatic communist Mayor of New York couldn't bring himself to even admit the Islamic terrorist attacks in New Jersey and New York city were terrorist attacks. He was finally shamed into admitting it when even Crash Dummy intellects knew it was manifestly true.

You're digging a dry hole but keep digging anyway.[/B]

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Trump is the only one that made the claim of "thousands and thousands" of people. The "number of people" that were brought in for questioning is not mentioned in this article, but I believe the "number" was 8. There is a huge difference there. Apparently that is beyond your comprehension. I guess from your point of view it's okay for the reader to insert their own quantity, since the number was not specified.

What exactly are you accusing Kovaleski of lying about? He never denied writing that there were reports of people celebrating, he only said that he didn't remember any reports of "thousands" or even "hundreds" of people celebrating.

Once again Kovaleski's quote...

“I certainly do not remember anyone saying that thousands or even hundreds of people were celebrating. That was not the case, as best as I can remember.”

Where is the lie in this statement, since you are so insistent that this reporter is a liar? He never said a specific quantity, and Trump is the only one claiming that it was "thousands and thousands" of people. A number that he completely fabricated. But the reporter is the liar right?

And if Kovaleski is such a "lying little twit" then why are you citing that one single sentence as proof that Trump is telling the truth? Trump claims it was widely covered, and that he saw it on television. Where is the evidence of his claims, since it was so widely covered? It's interesting that the only people that remember these thousands of people celebrating in NJ are Trump and a handful of right wing conspiracy theorists.

posted September 24, 2016 10:38 AM            

This thread is about Trump "not making fun of a disabled reporter". That's already been proved to be the case. Trump didn't mock the lying little twit because he's disabled but rather because he lied about the article he wrote..."I don't remember". And, Trump used exactly the same arm gestures he's used to mock others whose comments or actions he found objectionable.