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Topic: Trump Foundation, Self Dealing
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 9575 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 20, 2016 06:55 PM
Now isn`t this an interesting turn of events? The best article on the internet right now! quote: Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, a critic of his competitor's Clinton Foundation, now finds his own charitable foundation under scrutiny, after a new probe revealed a number of possibly illegal activities that could land him in hot water.Allegations of bribes and improper use of charity funds have rocked the Trump Foundation, Mr. Trump’s charity. If the allegations prove true, Trump could be in violation of rules against “self-dealing,” a practice in which nonprofit leaders use charitable money for their own purposes. “I represent 700 nonprofits a year, and I’ve never encountered anything so brazen,” charity legal advisor Jeffrey Tenenbaum told The Washington Post. “If he’s using other people’s money – run through his foundation – to satisfy his personal obligations, then that’s about as blatant an example of self-dealing [as] I’ve seen in a while.” Recommended: What do you know about Donald Trump? Review of legal documents and interviews reveal that in at least four cases, Trump may have used a total of $285,000 in Trump Foundation money to settle personal lawsuits. In one case, the Trump Foundation settled a lawsuit between a Trump-owned golf course and another party by writing a check for $158,000 to the plaintiff’s favorite charity. In 2013, Trump spent $5,000 in Foundation money to pay for hotel advertisements at DC preservation group events. In 2007, the town of Palm Beach levied $120,000 in fines on the candidate after he failed to address a flagpole that violated local height ordinances. The town agreed to forgive the fines if Trump wrote a $100,000 check to a charity for veterans.
the whole article here https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-trump-charity-money-settle-business-lawsuits-195051454.html ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 70155 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 20, 2016 11:41 PM
That's one person's opinion. Opinions are like armpits. We all have them, and some stink. The foundation didn't settle the suits by paying individuals. It paid charities. The same people who say Hillary did nothing wrong with the hundreds of millions of pay to play jump right into the fray with Trump. Hypocritical much? Much ado 'bout nothing.IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 9575 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 08:10 AM
"Hypocritical much?" Talking to your candidate? I hope so because the hypocrisy lays in his backyard . ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8724 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 09:57 AM
Do you have any idea what this flap is all about?I wonder why the writer of this story you posted didn't happen to mention any of the facts. Trump used Foundation money to donate to Charity organization(s). Wow, that's really corrupt! Now, please tell us how much of Bill and Hill's own money is dispersed by the Clinton Foundation? Any? None? While we're about it, let's discuss how much of the Clinton Foundation millions and millions ever get to the poor...who are supposed to be the recipients. That number is less than 6%. And, let's discuss how much the Clinton Foundation pays Bill. Is it $15 MILLION? Or, is it $25 MILLION? Now, let's discuss how much the Trump Foundation pays Trump..and others who work on behalf of the Foundation...in salaries, in overhead expenses, in administrative fees, in rent, in utility expenses, in travel expenses, in advertising, etc. That number is $0, Zilch, Nothing! Trump erected an overly tall...according to city regulations...flag pole from which to fly the American Flag. Not the Russian flag, not the Cuban flag, not the Mexican flag, not the Muslim flag but the American Flag and we know how much that pi$$es off America hating leftists. The city reacted with huge daily fines until Trump shortened the flag pole. The case was settled when the fines were waived by the city in lieu of a donation to a Veterans Charity. Trump used Trump Foundation to do what the Trump Foundation was organized to do....donate to Charitable organization. BFD! Democrats are desperate to find something against Trump to offset the outright fraud, corruption and criminal acts of the Clinton Foundation. They're going to have to dig a whole lot deeper than this BS. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 70155 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 10:11 AM
There's a mountain of sh*t in Hillary's back yard, but her supporters get on their knees with magnifying glasses in Trump's looking for a tiny mouse dropping--completely ignoring Hillary's fly-swarming stench.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8724 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 10:47 AM
Yeah Randall, these hypocrites remind me of the biblical verse. "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye." IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8724 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 11:23 AM
September 21, 2016 The Ecology of the Clintons Ed LaskyA scientist recently discovered a parasite and named it after Barack Obama, Baracktrema obamai. But considering the level of exploitation of their host they have accomplished, that honor should have gone to Bill and Hillary Clinton. Parasite [par-uh-sahyt] noun 1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment. 2. a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others. Parasites sap their hosts (that’s us in the case of the Clintons) of energy and resources. Has there ever been a couple that have exploited their government service to gratify themselves as much and in as many various ways as have the Clintons? The obsessive need to capitalize on their positions of power has a long history. The hacking of Colin Powell’s email revealed in a very stark way of what the general thinks motivates the Clintons: …a 70-year old person (sic) with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational, with a husband still dicking bimbos at home. Thank you, Colin Powell, for your public service! Bill Clinton’s dalliances are well-known. At each and every turn he seems to have abused his power and position to exploit women while the sham of a marriage provided cover. During his governorship there was Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones (sexually harassed by Governor Clinton while she worked for the Arkansas government) and no doubt a parade of other women (Juanita Broaddrick for one has spoken up). Last but certainly not least was the most famous intern in history, Monice Lewinsky (or as Bill Clinton contemptuously called her “that woman”). After Bill was finished with them, he moved on the next victim, as would a parasite. Such a pattern was not restricted to merely satiating Bill. The pattern was also apparent during such scandals as Whitewater, when James and Susan McDougal kept quiet about what had transpired in this land scam involving the Clintons and went to jail for their loyalty to Bill. He left them to languish there (James died in prison while Susan kept her silence for years until President Clinton pardoned her in the last hours of his presidency). At each and every turn Hillary rushed to Bill’s defense. Why would she serve as an accomplice to such predatory and parasitic behavior? She enjoyed being the First Lady of Arkansas and then the United States, and clearly those roles as a stepping stone to her own political career. After all, she never wanted to stay at home and bake cookies or be like Tammy Wynette (amazing her disrespect for such large number of women has not prevented so many women rallying to her campaign). Far more enjoyable and enriching to use her role as First Lady of Arkansas to serve on the board of WalMart and “earn” spectacular if not near mathematically impossible returns “speculating” on commodities supposedly by merely reading the Wall Street Journal (what a bargain) rather than through trades with someone eager to curry favor with the Governor. The fix was in, as it so often has been for the Clintons. They used their “government service” and titles to enrich themselves. Bill and Hillary Clinton may not have had an ideal marriage but their partnership has been mutually profitable, albeit at the expense of the public. After Bill left the presidency he did something unprecedented for a former president by establishing a “charitable” foundation that doubled as a campaign organization for Hillary Clinton while she served as Secretary of State. Employment rolls for the Clinton Foundation had “scads” of political operatives with nary a notice of concern from an IRS too busy stalking conservative activist groups. Donors, including foreigners legally barred from donating to candidates, could and did give millions to Bill personally (his speaking fees spiked and other assorted deals, including an “honorary chancellorship” of a for-profit school chain that gave him millions, came his way “coincidentally” after Hillary became Secretary of State (a post that allowed her to reciprocate such generosity to the Clinton family fortune with taxpayer dollars). Ms. “It Takes a Village” and her husband created a Potemkin village to run a de facto campaign for her quest for the presidency. They even had the gall to use taxpayer dollars to subsidize their foundation as well as the infamous private server -- parasites on taxpayers. The Clintons used this “charity” for their own selfish purposes. One charity watchdog described the Clinton Foundation as a “slush fund”: The Clinton family’s mega-charity took in more than $140 million in grants and pledges in 2013 but spent just $9 million on direct aid. The group spent the bulk of its windfall on administration, travel, and salaries and bonuses, with the fattest payouts going to family friends. On its 2013 tax forms, the most recent available, the foundation claimed it spent $30 million on payroll and employee benefits; $8.7 million in rent and office expenses; $9.2 million on “conferences, conventions and meetings”; $8 million on fundraising; and nearly $8.5 million on travel. None of the Clintons is on the payroll, but they do enjoy first-class flights paid for by the foundation. So the so-called beneficiaries of the charity were all but poster people similar to the scams one might see on late night television. If the history of the Clinton Foundation’s stagecraft in Haiti is any example of the “good works” of the foundation, there are many people who could have been helped but were instead used and discarded. What happened in Haiti? Dinesh D’ Souza writes in, “How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians”: In January 2015 a group of Haitians surrounded the New York offices of the Clinton Foundation. They chanted slogans, accusing Bill and Hillary Clinton of having robbed them of “billions of dollars.” Two months later, the Haitians were at it again, accusing the Clintons of duplicity, malfeasance, and theft. And in May 2015, they were back, this time outside New York’s Cipriani, where Bill Clinton received an award and collected a $500,000 check for his foundation. “Clinton, where’s the money?” the Haitian signs read. “In whose pockets?” Said Dhoud Andre of the Commission Against Dictatorship, “We are telling the world of the crimes that Bill and Hillary Clinton are responsible for in Haiti.” Hillary Clinton’s State Department as well as the Clinton Foundation channeled aid dollars to Haiti after the devastating earthquake in 2010 but who benefited? The Haitian protesters noticed an interesting pattern involving the Clintons and the designation of how aid funds were used. They observed that a number of companies that received contracts in Haiti happened to be entities that made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. The Haitian contracts appeared less tailored to the needs of Haiti than to the needs of the companies that were performing the services. In sum, Haitian deals appeared to be a quid pro quo for filling the coffers of the Clintons. The Haitians may not have benefited but the Friends of Bill did -- and that included Hillary Clinton’s brother, Hugh Rodham, who has a recurring walk on role in the scandal plagued “Bill and Hillary Clinton Show” . And of course, as we know from books such as Clinton Cash and various exposes and leaked emails (the ones that were not obliterated after the existence of her private server was disclosed) that Hillary Clinton used her position as Secretary of State to enrich her family. Pay to play payola politics was raised to a science by the ever clever Clintons. Liberals demonize (and rightly so) government officials who use the revolving door to make millions as lobbyists. The counties around Washington, D.C. have the highest per capita income of any group of counties in America. The lifestyle of such parasites on the public can be quite luxurious indeed -- as it has been for the Clintons. As Jeremy Carl wrote in “American Grifters: The Shameless Corruption of Bill and Hillary”: The Clintons, who are always quick to play 1 percent–vs.–99 percent politics, personally took in almost $140 million in income over the past eight years, during which time Hillary Clinton was either secretary of state or the shadow Democratic-party nominee for 2016 or both. Those numbers got even larger once Hillary exited the State Department and got on the gravy train full-time. In 2014 the Clintons “earned” $28 million in income. Both Bill and Hillary have limited-liability corporations (ZFS Holdings and WJC LLC) that receive their speaking and consulting fees. The existence of both was not disclosed until 2015. Even the 10 percent of that money that the Clintons have given to charity in recent years was almost exclusively given to the Clinton Family Foundation, where it can burnish the Clinton brand. Where is the criticism from the liberals when it comes to the same behavior from the Clintons? Crickets. The parasitical behavior extended to speaking tours. While Hillary Clinton has repeatedly decried the high costs of public education, she had zero compunction about demanding diva-like treatment and outlandish speaking fees when appearing on college campuses. She preyed on colleges eager for a headline act -- even at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Even Colin Powell complained that Hillary Clinton’s greed was killing college gigs for him since she was vacuuming up the speaking fees all by herself. The Clintons have been parasites for years, relying on the public to keep voting them into office and into power. Power they have ceaselessly used to shamelessly enrich themselves to a degree unheard of in American political history. (Boss Tweed was an amateur by comparison.) They have used offices occupied by true public servants such as FDR, Thomas Jefferson and George C. Marshall not to serve the public but to bid out their services to the wealthy and powerful elites of the world. They have turned their self-proclaimed “work for the people” into favor factories that have lifted them into centimillionaires, the one percent of the one-percent. They fastened onto their elected and appointed roles and road them to riches. Are there any more parasitical creatures in the wild awaiting to be discovered and named? http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/the_ecology_of_the_clintons.html IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 9575 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 01:22 PM
Lets let it play out ey It would be just silly to believe for one nano second both foundations have NOT been guilty of self dealing. Corruption follows the money like stink on poo! ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 9575 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 02:12 PM
We, as discussed before about Trump, know Randall admires trumps charitable side. quote: Trump has not given a dime to the Foundation in nearly a decade. Hundreds of charities that Trump has claimed an association with have no record of receiving any contribution from him. Virtually all of the funds distributed by the Trump Foundation, although they typically appear to the recipient to be coming from Trump himself, come from other donors.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-struggles-refute-reports-145400152.html
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 70155 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 03:06 PM
For someone who doubts the media, you sure believe everything you read. Trump will be suing the Lying Times and other rags after the election is over. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 9575 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 05:20 PM
Of course he will as thats how he rolls ! Then he will get his foundation to pay his losss`s off. ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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etherealsaturn Knowflake Posts: 225 From: New York, USA Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 21, 2016 06:29 PM
The significant difference here is that Trump has never been a politician, while Clinton has been at this most of her life, it's her career. Whatever maneuvering Trump did with his money was his decision, and any wrongdoing like the money donated to the Florida Attorney General, was respectively corrected. Don't get it twisted, I'm not saying what he did was right, it wasn't. But we need to point out that he wasn't running for office in 2013 or 2007. These incidents being brought up are menial at best. If this is all we can dig up from his past, I'll take it. We can agree to disagree on whether we think Trump has leadership potential, but the fact that Clinton is absolutely corrupt can't be argued. Hillary is a PUBLIC SERVANT, and has been for years. Her dirty laundry is now finally airing and we can see that it's all a facade. She, like many other career politicians are power hungry, and we need people like that out of office! It's a disgrace that people stick up for her. It doesn't matter if one is a republican, democrat, liberal or conservative - we should all be disgusted, we should be questioning what else her and her team are hiding. Bernie was all talk, but at least he seemed passionate and didn't have skeletons in his closet. Such a shame he easily sold out to this horribly corrupt system. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 9575 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 06:41 PM
Refreshing to read. quote: Don't get it twisted, I'm not saying what he did was right, it wasn't. But we need to point out that he wasn't running for office in 2013 or 2007.
He wasn`t in an office and that is the difference I`ve been waiting to hear from his supporters. Not more attacks but an open mind to the issues at hand here. ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 70155 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2016 08:14 PM
Public service should be just that. Instead of having the aim be serving the public, it has become all about corruption. Politics comes from the word poly, meaning many, and tics, meaning bloodsuckers. This election is about one thing: Desperate Democrats wanting to hold on to power.IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1767 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 22, 2016 12:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by juniperb: "Hypocritical much?" Talking to your candidate? I hope so because the hypocrisy lays in his backyard .
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StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1767 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 22, 2016 12:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by juniperb: Of course he will as thats how he rolls ! Then he will get his foundation to pay his losss`s off.
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 8761 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 22, 2016 12:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by juniperb: "Hypocritical much?" Talking to your candidate? I hope so because the hypocrisy lays in his backyard .
I you. I don't have the stomach for this, anymore.
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 8761 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 22, 2016 08:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: I you. I don't have the stomach for this, anymore.
Maybe I shouldn't have said anything. I know it isn't acceptable to some, to be seen as anything other than an acquaintance to me. That's what I was getting at in another thread. I didn't even do anything to deserve it. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 9575 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 23, 2016 08:37 AM
I you too Teasel!------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 70155 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 23, 2016 01:42 PM
It doesn't qualify as self-dealing.IP: Logged |
Bluejay Knowflake Posts: 759 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted September 23, 2016 02:04 PM
How is it not self dealing? He has paid off a lawsuit against his golf course, donated to a charity in lieu of paying fines to Palm Beach, contributed to an Attorney General's campaign that just so happened to be investingating Trump University, and purchased several self portraits and sports memorabilia. None of those are charitable uses, they benefit only Trump himself. That is the definition of self dealing. Like Trump said he loves using OPM-Other People's Money, which appears to be the only reason he started the Trump Foundation to begin with. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 70155 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 24, 2016 12:04 PM
I guess, instead, I should say that it's not illegal; therefore, it's not technically self-dealing. He is paying a charity of their choice, which is one of the things the foundation is set up to do. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 9575 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 24, 2016 01:08 PM
Most likely, this part is why he`s being audited.------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 70155 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 24, 2016 02:25 PM
No, he's audited every year. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1767 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 24, 2016 04:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bluejay: How is it not self dealing? He has paid off a lawsuit against his golf course, donated to a charity in lieu of paying fines to Palm Beach, contributed to an Attorney General's campaign that just so happened to be investingating Trump University, and purchased several self portraits and sports memorabilia. None of those are charitable uses, they benefit only Trump himself. That is the definition of self dealing. Like Trump said he loves using OPM-Other People's Money, which appears to be the only reason he started the Trump Foundation to begin with.
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