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etherealsaturn
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posted October 23, 2016 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealsaturn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
If that kind of cheating goes on, I believe it happens on both sides, otherwise Bush never would have won, either time.

So, is it all rigged, every time? Do "the powers that be" decide who we have as President, and when it's the "turn" of a Democrat or Republican?


Well "the powers that be" deciding the president is an entirely different topic

You're still avoiding the fact that rigging and fraud is taking place THIS election.

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juniperb
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posted October 23, 2016 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps a meaning of what rigging means to one in this election.

I`ve heard a few meanings so which one are we using?

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Randall
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posted October 24, 2016 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Voter fraud. Dead people and illegals voting, and people voting multiple times (not having to show ID).

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posted October 24, 2016 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah, and also "poll rigging" by the Hillary The Corrupt campaign.

New Podesta Email Exposes Playbook For Rigging Polls Through "Oversamples"
Tyler Durden
Oct 23, 2016

Earlier this morning we wrote about the obvious sampling bias in the latest ABC / Washington Post poll that showed a 12-point national advantage for Hillary. Like many of the recent polls from Reuters, ABC and The Washington Post, this latest poll included a 9-point sampling bias toward registered democrats.

"METHODOLOGY – This ABC News poll was conducted by landline and cellular telephone Oct. 20-22, 2016, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 874 likely voters. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3.5 points, including the design effect. Partisan divisions are 36-27-31 percent, Democrats - Republicans - Independents."

Of course, while democrats may enjoy a slight registration advantage of a couple of points, it is nowhere near the 9 points reflected in this latest poll.

Meanwhile, we also pointed out that with huge variances in preference across demographics one can easily "rig" a poll by over indexing to one group vs. another. As a quick example, the ABC / WaPo poll found that Hillary enjoys a 79-point advantage over Trump with black voters. Therefore, even a small "oversample" of black voters of 5% could swing the overall poll by 3 full points. Moreover, the pollsters don't provide data on the demographic mix of their polls which makes it impossible to "fact check" the bias...convenient.

ABC Poll

Now, for all of you out there who still aren't convinced that the polls are "adjusted", we present to you the following Podesta email, leaked earlier today, that conveniently spells out, in detail, exactly how to "manufacture" the desired data. The email starts out with a request for recommendations on "oversamples for polling" in order to "maximize what we get out of our media polling."

I also want to get your Atlas folks to recommend oversamples for our polling before we start in February. By market, regions, etc. I want to get this all compiled into one set of recommendations so we can maximize what we get out of our media polling.

The email even includes a handy, 37-page guide with the following poll-rigging recommendations. In Arizona, over sampling of Hispanics and Native Americans is highly recommended:

Research, microtargeting & polling projects
- Over-sample Hispanics
- Use Spanish language interviewing. (Monolingual Spanish-speaking voters are among the lowest turnout Democratic targets)
- Over-sample the Native American population

For Florida, the report recommends "consistently monitoring" samples to makes sure they're "not too old" and "has enough African American and Hispanic voters." Meanwhile, "independent" voters in Tampa and Orlando are apparently more dem friendly so the report suggests filling up independent quotas in those cities first.

- Consistently monitor the sample to ensure it is not too old, and that it has enough African American and Hispanic voters to reflect the state.
- On Independents: Tampa and Orlando are better persuasion targets than north or south Florida (check your polls before concluding this). If there are budget questions or oversamples, make sure that Tampa and Orlando are included first.

Meanwhile, it's suggested that national polls over sample "key districts / regions" and "ethnic" groups "as needed."

- General election benchmark, 800 sample, with potential over samples in key districts/regions
- Benchmark polling in targeted races, with ethnic over samples as needed
- Targeting tracking polls in key races, with ethnic over samples as needed

Oversample

And that's how you manufacture a 12-point lead for your chosen candidate and effectively chill the vote of your opposition.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/new-podesta-email-exposes-dem-playbook-rigging-polls-through-oversamples

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posted October 24, 2016 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Professor Who Predicted Last Five Elections Says Trump Has 87% Chance of Winning

Helmut Norpoth still confident despite polls showing Hillary ahead
Paul Joseph Watson
October 24, 2016

Political science professor Helmut Norpoth, who has accurately called the results of the last five presidential elections, still asserts that Donald Trump has an 87% chance of defeating Hillary Clinton despite Clinton being ahead in the polls.

Norpoth’s model has correctly predicted the outcome of the popular vote for every election since 1996, including the 2000 race where Al Gore won the popular vote but George W. Bush took the presidency.

“It usually turns out that the candidate who does better in his party’s primary beats the other guy who does less well,” said Norpoth, adding that Trump’s margin of victory in New Hampshire and South Carolina compared to Clinton (who lost in New Hampshire) was crucial to his model.

The other factor is the “swing of the pendulum,” which makes it far more likely for a change of government if one party has been in power for two terms.

Norpoth said he has gone “all in” on a Donald Trump victory and is sticking with his bet.

“There are also quite a few colleagues of mine who have a prediction that Trump is going to make it,” added the professor.

Many Trump supporters are now claiming that the media narrative that the election result is a foregone conclusion is a trick designed to convince potential Trump voters to stay home on November 8.

A confidential memo allegedly obtained from Correct The Record, a Democratic Super PAC, reveals a plan to “barrage” voters with high frequency polls that show Hillary ahead in order to “declare election over,” while avoiding any mention of the Brexit vote (which completely contradicted polls that said Brexit would fail).

Emails revealed by Wikileaks show how Democratic operatives planned to encourage “oversamples for polling” in order to “maximize what we get out of our media polling.” In other words, sample more Democrats than Republicans in order to make people believe that Hillary’s lead is far greater than the reality of a tight race.

Norpoth’s forecast of a Trump victory mirrors what’s taking place in the betting markets, with British bookmakers William Hill revealing last week that 65% of all bets on the market have backed Trump to win the election, a similar phenomenon to what happened before the Brexit vote, where the polls were proven completely wrong.
http://www.infowars.com/professor-who-predicted-last-five-elections-says-trump-has-87-chance-of-winning/

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posted October 24, 2016 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we shall see... onward and upward.

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posted October 24, 2016 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the pendulum in modern times has never failed.

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posted October 24, 2016 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.shellypalmer.com/2016/10/the-presidential-election-does-hacked-equal-rigged/

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posted October 25, 2016 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 25, 2016 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Marxist Messiah mentioned rigged elections in 2008.

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posted October 25, 2016 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump isn't going to lose because the system is rigged, he's going to lose because he's a mind boggling pathetic excuse for a human being. Only a Beavis/Butt-head ticket could be worse than your Trump Messiah.

Don't worry...I know you wouldn't be behind him if he wasn't on the Republican ticket. If the Republican Party still had any dignity who picked someone fairly respectable then you'd see Trump for the trash he is.

Had someone made a movie of Trump as a Republican candidate back in 2008 (scripting it to play out as it has in real life) you'd be condemning it for smearing the Republicans and being ridiculous, and so would I. I'd have never believed the Republican Party could sink this low until I saw it actually happen.

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posted October 25, 2016 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And Hillary is such a fine choice.

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etherealsaturn
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posted October 25, 2016 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealsaturn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Done explaining Trump, so here's some illustrations from Ben Garrison that convey my thoughts. (Sorry they're so large!)



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