posted October 30, 2016 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Of course, it's not racism. That's the mantra the left uses to make people feel guilty for not being politically correct, and that's why Trump will win.

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I'm not on the Left.

I have no political reason to say "that's racist" except the presentation IS totally racist.

FoxNews goes all out trying to present a picture of rampant crime and have to cobble together scanty facts and then showcase it.

If they did the same targeting black people and saying "We have to fix this problem of black crime!!!" everyone would be up in arms.

Or maybe not.

posted October 30, 2016 10:31 PM            

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A 2011 study which examined violent crime trends between 1980 and 2008 found that racial imbalances between arrest and incarceration levels were both small and comparably sized across the study period. The authors argued that the prior studies had been confounded by not separating Hispanics from Whites.[30] Another recent study in 2012 raises a different concern, showing that Hispanics and blacks receive considerably longer sentences for the same or lesser offenses on average than white offenders with equal or greater criminal records.[31][32]

A 2012 University of Michigan Law School study found that African Americans are given longer federal sentences even when factoring prior criminal records, and that African American jail sentences tend to be roughly 10% longer than white jail sentences for the same crimes.[33] The study found that Federal Prosecutors of African American and Hispanic defendants are almost twice as likely to push for mandatory minimum sentences, leading to longer sentences and disparities in incarceration rates for federal offenses.[34]

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posted October 30, 2016 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I agree with you.

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Thanks, teasel.

posted October 30, 2016 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Miss the mark much? The issue isn't Hispanic crime. The issue isn't Black crime. The issue isn't disproportionate conviction rates. All of which are no doubt deserving of a thread of their own. But the issue is illegal immigrant crime.

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That is the face I see when I open your link. And a video pops up that says his Hispanic name.

Why spotlight him, out of all the criminals out there?

Because it makes you scared of him and people like him.

That's the conditioning, it's right in the title: "this is frightening."

Very similar to Nazi Germany targeting of Jews.

posted October 31, 2016 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You're comparing rapists and murderers to persecuted Jews? How rich.

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posted October 31, 2016 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Saying that Mexico sends the bad ones over doesn't mean all who come over are bad.

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This wording leaves a lot to be desired. It's sensationalized, unproven, and fear-mongering:

That applies to LEGAL immigrants as well. But he's saying they are mostly bad people.

posted October 31, 2016 10:31 AM            

We had a problem of people arriving to Australia on boats, dumping their documents into the water and trying to stay illegally. Over the years this became a huge problem - chinese mafia set up major operations that are now impossible to eradicate - and the government finally had to do something because their native countries did not bother to do anything about it. So a immigrant detention centre was set up on an island far away from our shores, and those people were sent there for verification, the process that takes a year or two. If these people don't pass the migration entry requirements, they are deported back to where they came from. This sent a clear message to all those that try to bypass the official migration route. There was an immense peer pressure from UN and bad publicity from around the world criticizing Australia, but none of these 'concerned' screamers were willing to take these illegal immigrants into their countries. In the end its our local problem to solve.

The point of having an official migration program route, is to screen and verify who we let into the country or not. People with infectious diseases not existent in Australia like tuberculosis, criminal offenders, or the ones who will potentially become a burden (rely on wellfare system) are not accepted. These are the rules for everybody, it ensures the wellbeing and safety of all citizens. Exceptions from this rule are granted in special circumstances, but they are rare.

To enter Australia illegally is a criminal offense. You will be banned or restricted from getting an entry visa in the future.

posted October 31, 2016 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I love soundbite politics.

So PURELY brainless. No thinking, just regurgitating and projecting.

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I hate it too. Both sides do it to no end. You can't just throw out catch phrases and call it a discussion.

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Anyway, y'all are on a different wavelength from me so I'll let you keep on with whatever this is. For the record I was objecting to the racism inherent in this phrase of the contract:

Calling ALL illegal immigrants "criminals" just because they don't have the paperwork?

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Uh...are you serious? If you are an immigrant here without the correct paperwork, without coming here the right and lawful way, you are here ILLEGALLY. That makes you a criminal. It's not that complicated of a concept to understand. You can't deny that there are people coming here illegally, from all over, with bad intent. There will always be bad people, there will always be criminals who come here. How are we supposed to stop them or prevent them from hurting innocent people if we don't have a record of them even being here? It's simple logic.

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It's a step further in the wrong direction. I remember Dennis Kucinich saying in the 2008 elections, during a debate:

I admire that.

Speaking with heart.

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posted October 31, 2016 11:19 AM            

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Yeah that's nice and all but it's not practical and it's not helping anyone.

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How are hostile linguistics helping anyone?

You really think a more compassion term for immigrants is going to screw everything up?

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Uh...are you serious? If you are an immigrant here without the correct paperwork, without coming here the right and lawful way, you are here ILLEGALLY. That makes you a criminal. It's not that complicated of a concept to understand.

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Uh...let me just repeat myself.

Are you a criminal when you go over the speed limit? You're doing that ILLEGALLY.

The word "criminal" is typically used in a certain context where it takes on an extremely negative connotation. When people apply that to immigrants, they are not thinking of innocent Latino grandmothers here without the right paperwork because maybe they didn't even understand the complicated laws to begin with. Yet, they are calling them criminals. That's a word typically reserved for people who are in the habit of committing crimes, the type of crime that makes them a menace to society.

posted October 31, 2016 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
Not dealing with illegal immigration creates long terms problems which may not be obvious to the public, but citizens are paying for this problem with their taxes or worse.

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FOR THE RECORD

I am talking about race hate propaganda, not immigration reform. Believe it or not, they are not one and the same. You can actually have the one without the other.

And if anyone cannot see that Trump's language is offensive, and the way Hispanics are being targeted is offensive, then I am offended on their behalf!

You can fix immigration without distorting everything, and claiming you have statistics that you don't actually have.

posted October 31, 2016 11:34 AM            

I said, "Where does he get that figure?"

Randall said Trump used government sources.

There are no government sources that support that number.

Raise the bar, okay?

Don't just make crap up as you go along.

posted October 31, 2016 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I started the conversation.

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posted October 31, 2016 12:03 PM            

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While white supremacists have long been active in America, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s statements against various racial groups seem to be further stoking their fires.

“Hate speech and the organizing of white supremacists behind this [Trump] campaign has been astounding,” said Heidi Beirich, the Southern Poverty Law Center’s (SPLC) Intelligence Project Director. “That organizing has led to more hate speech on the web.”

Throughout the primary season, Trump has built his brand on divisive language, and his reaction to the June 13 massacre at an Orlando, Florida, nightclub is no exception. On Monday, Trump suggested that all Muslim immigrants posed threats to American security, and reiterated his call for a ban on them.

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Even schoolchildren are affected. A recent report from the Southern Poverty Law Center, The Trump Effect: The Impact of the Presidential Campaign on Our Nation’s Schools, found that immigrant and Muslim students in America are experiencing more bullying from their peers.

According to the report, the presidential campaign is “producing an alarming level of fear and anxiety among children of color and inflaming racial and ethnic tensions in the classroom.”

While the report’s survey of 2,000 K-12 teachers was not scientific and “did not identify any candidates,” it noted that out of 5,000 comments, “more than 1,000 mentioned Donald Trump.” Fewer than 200 contained the names Ted Cruz, Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton.

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Sure that might also be skewed with a political agenda. But these are actually the consequences I expect, looking at how blatantly racist people are acting this election season, following Trump's and the media's lead.

posted October 31, 2016 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Once again, in Trump's Contract, he is not talking about the crime of being in this country illegally. He's talking about real criminals who commit real crimes--such as rape, robbery, assault, and murfer. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? That's why Trump uses the 2 million number (those already convicted of said crines) instead of the 11 million number (total of illegal immigrants). If the numbers are wrong, so be it, but we have records of those convicted, and they will be shipped back.

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"If the numbers are wrong, so be it."

THAT is what I don't get. The lack of standards.

What if those numbers are significantly smaller than what he is saying? Then why would he be making a PLATFORM out of this?

Without solid data it becomes even more evident that he is just appealing to and manipulating the secret prejudices of people.