posted October 31, 2016 01:15 PM            

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It's like Trump & company gave all the covert racists permission to come out of the closet. >>
This is not a bad thing.
Best that hidden racists, Anti-semitic folk, Violent Xenophobes and KKK types get exposed in the next 4 years should Trump win.
It will pave the way for better politics from 2020.

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Yeah but small, latent racism is different than ideologue-fomented racism.

Case in point, again: Nazi Germany

People didn't start off hating people enough to kill them outright. They were conditioned.

And I see racist conditioning happening here.

posted October 31, 2016 04:39 PM            

Exactly Randall.

The salient points some here want to overlook is that the current laws of the United States "REQUIRE" the deportation of illegal aliens. The current law in the United States requires a fence/wall along the southern border of the United States. That's the current state of the law in the United States.

posted November 01, 2016 08:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

I have no political agenda. I'm not voting. I distrust Hillary worse than Trump. But the way Trump has screwed up the national conversation is really getting me to think, maybe he will prove himself to be worse than Hillary after all. The potential net damage is impossible to estimate and compare.

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It is a gross exaggeration to say that Trump wanting to fix the illegal immigration - which by way of borders is mostly from Mexico - is a slow racist conditioning. That's a spin rhetoric.

The executive orders by the Bushes, Clintons and Obama are for a fact a slow conditioning of population. You are slowly getting used to having no rights.
We have, all over the world, lost our citizen rights as a result of this. How much is your constitution worth today ?

I don't think anybody can be worse than Hillary. The devastation she leaves in her wake is overwhelming... a sea of body bags, money bribes from foreign governments and criminals, gun trafficking, financing poppy fields in Afg, unlawful military actions, abuse of Haiti victims etc etc... death, misery and poverty, and the frightening thing is she likes it. Being a satanic worshipper, she believes in human sacrifice. Expendable human vessels, remember this well. She is a criminal on the loose, gets away with atrocities and is laughing out loud, while a regular citizen goes to prison for much less.

posted November 01, 2016 08:29 AM            

Sessions: 'Critical alert,' 817,740 illegals crossed last year
Paul Bedard
10/31/16

In a bid to put the issue of illegal immigration back into the presidential debate, outspoken critic Sen. Jeff Sessions on Monday issued a "Critical Alert" warning of a potentially historic surge of over the border.

"We are simply overwhelmed," his statement said. In it he estimated the Fiscal Year 2016 illegal crossings at 817,740.

"There is a crisis at our southwest border — one that in many ways exceeds the crisis we saw just two years ago, one that further undermines the integrity of our immigration system, but one that the most of the media has elected to ignore," said Sessions, an advisor to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

Sessions listed the new numbers and details of the surge of undocumented illegal immigrants arriving at U.S. Border Patrol stations or simply crossing over. Among them:

•U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is currently detaining more than 40,000 aliens, with internal predictions indicating that the number could reach 47,000 in the coming months.

•In fiscal 2016, the U.S. Border Patrol apprehended 408,870 illegal aliens at the southern border; a number 23 percent higher than in fiscal 2015.

•Brandon Judd, president of the National Border Patrol Council, was quoted as saying just half of illegals are caught crossing the border.

•Calculating illegal entries based on that formula, 408,870 illegal aliens evaded detection in fiscal 2016, for a total of approximately 817,740 illegal entries into the United States last year.

Sessions said the border crisis demands a new president and approach to reforming immigration starting with a closed border.

"The integrity of our immigration system and our national sovereignty require a real change in enforcement. The future of our nation depends on strong, secure borders, and a president willing to enforce our laws. Without a commitment to deport aliens who violate our immigration laws, we lose our ability to protect our communities from criminal aliens, terrorism, and cartel-related crime and violence," he said.

posted November 01, 2016 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Uh...let me just repeat myself.

Are you a criminal when you go over the speed limit? You're doing that ILLEGALLY.

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The word "criminal" is typically used in a certain context where it takes on an extremely negative connotation.

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When people apply that to immigrants, they are not thinking of innocent Latino grandmothers here without the right paperwork because maybe they didn't even understand the complicated laws to begin with. Yet, they are calling them criminals. That's a word typically reserved for people who are in the habit of committing crimes, the type of crime that makes them a menace to society.

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posted November 01, 2016 11:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:

The executive orders by the Bushes, Clintons and Obama are for a fact a slow conditioning of population. You are slowly getting used to having no rights.
We have, all over the world, lost our citizen rights as a result of this. How much is your constitution worth today ?

I don't think anybody can be worse than Hillary. The devastation she leaves in her wake is overwhelming... a sea of body bags, money bribes from foreign governments and criminals, gun trafficking, financing poppy fields in Afg, unlawful military actions, abuse of Haiti victims etc etc... death, misery and poverty, and the frightening thing is she likes it. Being a satanic worshipper, she believes in human sacrifice. Expendable human vessels, remember this well. She is a criminal on the loose, gets away with atrocities and is laughing out loud, while a regular citizen goes to prison for much less.

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posted November 01, 2016 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
It is a gross exaggeration to say that Trump wanting to fix the illegal immigration - which by way of borders is mostly from Mexico - is a slow racist conditioning. That's a spin rhetoric.

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Pardon me? Have you seen his ACTUAL WORDS? And the media's targeting of Hispanics in support of his platform?

I'm talking about the presentation of the case for immigration, not immigration.

posted November 01, 2016 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Pardon me? Have you seen his ACTUAL WORDS? And the media's targeting of Hispanics in support of his platform?

I'm talking about [b]the presentation of the case for immigration, not immigration.

Seems impossible for the people on this thread to make that distinction along with me.[/B]

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posted November 01, 2016 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
And I also want to know, for all you Americans who are being trained to fear and spit on Mexicans, have you ever personally been bothered by one?

I have only met good Mexicans. And no, frankly, I do not even care if they are here legally or illegally. You can't train me to get into a hissy fit about immigration. Fix it or don't fix it, the world is going to hell in a handbasket, anyway.

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LOL, we are not being trained to hate Hispanics! I've met kind Hispanics and rude Hispanics. This is not a Hispanic or Mexican problem entirely...so I'm not sure why this seems like a valid question to ask. It's an illegal immigration problem because we have an open border and people from all over the world are coming in from Mexico illegally.

posted November 01, 2016 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:
Have you heard his actual words? Trump is not trying to rally people against Hispanics. If you believe that, then you clearly haven't done enough research because he's talked about how the media twisted his words in the first place to make people think he's said all of these racist things, and well, he hasn't. There are many Hispanics standing up for Trump because they know this.

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REALLY?

I don't even have a TV but I assume everyone has seen the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo-7ISmwAi0

@ 1: 20 When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending its best....

And I was talking about the whole media effort that's behind him and follows his lead (FoxNews), other trends that I guess people are just too oblivious to understand.

What makes you people SO desensitized that you cannot see how outrageously inappropriate this is?

You'd rather lose your heart and defend racism than lose the election?

Basically his whole way of speaking sounds xenophobic, antagonistic, bombastic.

I don't have enough nationalist pride that I want to "BEAT" every country the way he does and you all apparently do.

posted November 01, 2016 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:
With better policies at the border, the better off the country will be. What's so horrible about that? Good gracious.

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AGAIN for the umpteenth time, I am not talking about immigration. I'm talking about how Trump and his people ***talk*** about immigration.

You allow and defend racist rhetoric.

I'm offended by it.

You want to build a wall? Just say this:

"We need to secure our borders. Previous efforts have proven ineffective. Due to the socioeconomic state of Mexico there is a higher crime rate there which is affecting our southern states. Therefore, I propose securing our borders with a wall and devoting more government resources to the eradication of violence stemming from uncontrolled immigration."

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Do NOT say "They're rapists" which is what Trump actually said about Mexicans.

posted November 01, 2016 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
REALLY?

I don't even have a TV but I assume everyone has seen the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo-7ISmwAi0

@ 1: 20 When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending its best....

And I was talking about the whole media effort that's behind him and follows his lead (FoxNews), other trends that I guess people are just too oblivious to understand.

What makes you people SO desensitized that you cannot see how outrageously inappropriate this is?

You'd rather lose your heart and defend racism than lose the election?

Basically his whole way of speaking sounds xenophobic, antagonistic, bombastic.

I don't have enough nationalist pride that I want to "BEAT" every country the way he does and you all apparently do.

That mentality will eventually backfire hard on America.

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I admire your tenacity with this, but Trump supporters tend to gloss over what he actually says, and decide that what he really means is something else entirely. I've been through it elsewhere.

posted November 01, 2016 04:58 PM            

Here is that particular line in full.

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"When Mexico sends it's people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

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Are we going to gloss over the fact that he said "And some, I assume, are good people." Because this CLEARLY explains he was talking about the bad illegal immigrants coming here. So because he said, some, he doesn't really mean that, obliviously he means ALL Mexicans are criminals and rapists...how does one even come to this conclusion? Honestly...

And just another thought. This is one of the very few quotes that is used all the time to show how "racist" Trump is. It is completely taken out of context when people use it as an example of racist rhetoric. I have seen plenty of other rallies Trump has had where he explains his thoughts on this more directly and comprehensive, but no one ever quotes those.

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"It's coming from more than Mexico. It's coming from all over, South and Latin America, and it's coming, probably from the Middle East. But we don't know, because we have no protection."

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What part of this is racist? None of this in anti-Latino, none of this is anti-Mexican. None of this is anti-Muslim. Even when he talks about wanting America to win again...He doesn't say anything racist about the Chinese, or the Japanese. He mentions that they're advancing in areas we used to. That's not racist. He doesn't point out anyone's race in a negative manor. So, again, where is the racism here?

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Originally posted by teasel:
I admire your tenacity with this, but Trump supporters tend to gloss over what he actually says, and decide that what he really means is something else entirely.

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On the contrary, that's what you, and others are doing. Some of you continue to accuse Trump supporters of ignoring his blatant racism that's non existent. He's not the best public speaker, he's not the average PC politician, and that's not such a bad thing. Trump doesn't always "speak" presidential, but that doesn't mean he isn't fit for the job. Sure, call that another excuse from his blind supporters warping his words to make him look good...but the media and some thick skulls are the ones who are creating the rhetoric of racism when it's not there.

posted November 01, 2016 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I admire your tenacity with this, but Trump supporters tend to gloss over what he actually says, and decide that what he really means is something else entirely. I've been through it elsewhere.

Trump deleted emails and destroyed evidence when it came to his own legal troubles, too, but they ignore that as well.

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Thanks, teasel.

It's WEIRD to encounter it!

posted November 01, 2016 05:11 PM            

Sorry you're a bigot and cannot see yourself for what you are.

posted November 01, 2016 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Done talking to you, ethereal.

Sorry you're a bigot and cannot see yourself for what you are.

Maybe that will change some day.

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That's a very hurtful thing to call someone. I am not a bigot. We can agree to disagree on politics without being rude to one another.

posted November 01, 2016 06:37 PM            

If the media wants to focus on the racism of the presidential candidates, why are they ignoring these 10 prime examples:

#1 – In 1974, after Bill Clinton lost his bid for a Senate seat, Hillary lashed out at campaign manager Paul Fray calling him a, “f*cking Jew ******* !” This outburst was witnessed and confirmed by 3 people, so it definitely happened.

#2 – As First Lady, Hillary called young black men “super-predators” indicating that she thought all young black males were violent criminals. She also said, “We have to bring them to heel,” like young blacks are the same as dogs. Despite thinking this was incredibly racist, blacks still support Hillary.

#3 – While serving in the US Senate, Hillary tried to make a joke that disparaged a civil rights icon and demeaned all people from India. “I love this quote. It’s from Mahatma Gandhi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Gandhi, do you still go to the gas station?” asked Clinton.

#4 – In 2005 Hillary said, “I am adamantly against illegal immigrants.” She also, as a Senator, voted to construct a wall between the US and Mexico. Considering the main “proof” of Trump’s racism is that he opposes illegal immigration and wants to build a wall, isn’t it odd that Hillary gets off for having said the same thing?

#5 – During the 2008 democratic primaries Hillary Clinton’s campaign started the “birther” rumors, questioning Obama’s US citizenship. They even circulated the now famous picture of Obama in full Muslim garb. Somehow Trump’s campaign to get Obama to release his birth certificate is racist, but Hillary’s role in starting the birther movement is not.

#6 – Also during the 2008 presidential race, Hillary’s husband Bill said this of Obama: “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.” Hillary didn’t say this one but her husband did and she certainly never disavowed it.

#7 – Shortly after announcing her candidacy, Hillary said “all lives matter” in a black church. I don’t think this one is racist, but lefties, black activists, and Hillary herself all do, so it makes the list. Plus as is the case with most of this stuff, if Trump had said it liberals would freak the hell out.

#8 – In November of 2015, Hillary called people in this country illegally “illegal aliens.” Trump is a racist when he says “illegal aliens,” why isn’t Hillary?

#9 – In April of this year, Hillary joined NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio on stage at a democratic fundraiser for a scripted joke about how lazy black people are. The two liberals made reference to “colored people’s time” which is a super-racist way of saying black people are chronically tardy and lethargic.

#10 – April was a great month for Hillary’s racism, as she also made a comment disparaging Native Americans. She said she had experience dealing with wild men when they “get off the reservation.” In essence she said Native Americans are savages who must be segregated from the rest of society.

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#11 – On a black radio show, Hillary pandered to black voters by claiming she always carries hot sauce in her purse. It was racist when Donald Trump pandered Hispanics by eating a taco bowl, but not racist when Hillary pandered blacks. How does that work?

To recap: Trump has said that some illegal aliens are criminals, suggested a judge with ties to a radical racist Mexican group may be biased, and offered the opinion that we do more to keep radical Islamic Terrorists from getting into the country. These things that have nothing to do with race are why the media constantly tells us Trump is a racist.

posted November 01, 2016 06:49 PM            

Please, a note to remember: no personal attacks or what can be deemed hate speech.

posted November 01, 2016 07:07 PM            

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That's a very hurtful thing to call someone. I am not a bigot. We can agree to disagree on politics without being rude to one another.
You don't have to respond to me, and if you would prefer I don't engage in conversation with you, then I won't. You don't have to be cruel and make accusations that are further from the truth. Have a good day.

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