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Topic: Congratulations, President Trump!
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llewsacm
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posted November 10, 2016 03:31 PM
  
Yeah, I don't think he can get a full repeal and replace, but I agree there will be other ways around it and it will fade away. IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted November 10, 2016 07:04 PM
Jwhop... Congratulations that your candidate won.  I was worried about some of the same things Teasel brought up about Social Security, Medicare, etc. I hope that he will be able to Keep his word on the promises you listed. We must approach all of this with an open mind now. He'll naturally have lots of experts available to help him as he makes this transition. I watched Trump with Obama today, and Trump seemed whelmed. I guess the reality of all this is setting in for him. There are things you can't be privy to UNTIL you get closer into the assuming the Office. He likes excellence-- The Best. Sometimes success matters on the Quality and Seasoning of the individuals you would surround yourself with. It's all becoming quite serious now. The other world leaders are looking him over. Serious serious situation.... that maybe he never dreamed of or expected. (level of 'danger' involved, sooo precarious) IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 10, 2016 07:59 PM
Ryan wants entitlement reform. Trump has vowed not to touch them. I believe Trump. IP: Logged |
bonsai
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posted November 10, 2016 08:47 PM
Yes indeed congratulations to Trump. I admire his courage to call a spade a spade and be the voice for the silent majority (not just in the US but those of us in other countries too) who are too afraid to voice their opinions anywhere except to those of like mind behind closed doors, because voicing their opinions publicly would put them at risk of being ridiculed/ostracised/insulted by the much noisier and so called more "open minded" and "progressive" leftists, be it in the workplace, a club, a social setting etc. The liberals are open minded about another's view so long as it agrees with what the left dictates. There has never really been such thing as free speech in my opinion but one definitely feels very oppressed when in the presence of a leftist who is quick to pull the "racist" and "sexist" trigger the moment they hear something that doesn't align with their views. There is a difference between racism and self preservation. Everyone has the right to preserve their own life and culture if they feel its very existence is under threat.Well done to Trump. Now I hope he can walk the walk too. Not just talk the talk. IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted November 10, 2016 09:58 PM
It is going to be okay. Give him a chance.The "radical" ideas he put forth during the campaign are simply starting points for negotiating what will become a compromise. It is the art of the deal. Social security will be preserved, those who benefit from ObamaCare will not be tossed aside, illegal immigrants are not going to be deported by the millions, and no one's rights are going to be trampled. He may be an egomaniac, but he is not evil. You might just find that he is quite reasonable and actually cares about the issues that matter. Do not believe what the media, and the establishment, have been pounding into the public mind. He is going to upset establishment Democrats, and he is going to upset establishment Republicans, because he is neither. I truly believe he represents the majority that are in the middle. Speak your mind, but give him a chance. He is going to need all of the positive energy that we can muster in order to break through the false walls built up by decades of establishment brainwashing from both sides of the aisle (which are really one and the same). We have all been victims for long enough. Let us see if he can facilitate a change that we can all live with. Walk in Peace
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llewsacm
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posted November 10, 2016 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Ra:
It is going to be okay. Give him a chance.The "radical" ideas he put forth during the campaign are simply starting points for negotiating what will become a compromise. It is the art of the deal. Social security will be preserved, those who benefit from ObamaCare will not be tossed aside, illegal immigrants are not going to be deported by the millions, and no one's rights are going to be trampled. He may be an egomaniac, but he is not evil. You might just find that he is quite reasonable and actually cares about the issues that matter. Do not believe what the media, and the establishment, have been pounding into the public mind. He is going to upset establishment Democrats, and he is going to upset establishment Republicans, because he is neither. I truly believe he represents the majority that are in the middle. Speak your mind, but give him a chance. He is going to need all of the positive energy that we can muster in order to break through the false walls built up by decades of establishment brainwashing from both sides of the aisle (which are really one and the same). We have all been victims for long enough. Let us see if he can facilitate a change that we can all live with. Walk in Peace
LOVE THIS! ^^ IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted November 11, 2016 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
I believe it is time to stop being devisive and look to the future.
The rancor and hate of the past will NOT build a better future for anyone  Tell us what is right with the world now not harp on what has been already done.
Lead the way....
I think we can expect this kind of rhetoric for the next 4 years.
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StubbornVirgo
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posted November 11, 2016 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Dad will lose his social security, that he earned, and his job won't be enough to keep us afloat, so we'll be homeless. Thanks, guys!!"This is the worst kind of pathetic horseshiiite. Trump is THE candidate who refused to restructure Social Security. No SS cutbacks. Trump is THE candidate who said..quite publicly, that we made an agreement with those who paid into Social Security and WE WILL HONOR OUR AGREEMENT. Trump is THE candidate who refused to restructure Medicare. Then, we get this kind of "dog in the manger", irrational BS.
Fine example of the kind of dark undertones that Trump speaks to - lots of anger, animosity and cruelty. Someone posts their legitimate concerns about their family and wellbeing and you decided to cut them down with your cruel responses. All for what? So you can feel like the bigger man? Are you happy with yourself now that you've clearly bullied someone for expressing their concerns? I don't expect any kind of reasonable response from you. But any kind of decent person would jump in and tell you to cool it off already. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted November 11, 2016 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by Ra:
It is going to be okay. Give him a chance.The "radical" ideas he put forth during the campaign are simply starting points for negotiating what will become a compromise. It is the art of the deal. Social security will be preserved, those who benefit from ObamaCare will not be tossed aside, illegal immigrants are not going to be deported by the millions, and no one's rights are going to be trampled. He may be an egomaniac, but he is not evil. You might just find that he is quite reasonable and actually cares about the issues that matter. Do not believe what the media, and the establishment, have been pounding into the public mind. He is going to upset establishment Democrats, and he is going to upset establishment Republicans, because he is neither. I truly believe he represents the majority that are in the middle. Speak your mind, but give him a chance. He is going to need all of the positive energy that we can muster in order to break through the false walls built up by decades of establishment brainwashing from both sides of the aisle (which are really one and the same). We have all been victims for long enough. Let us see if he can facilitate a change that we can all live with. Walk in Peace
Sorry, but putting blind faith into an egomaniac has never been a quality of mine, and it's not one that I will adopt any time soon. I'm glad that you have found optimism and peace with this election outcome but do not expect that will be the same outcome for the people who do not feel that he represents them or their core values. IP: Logged |
pire
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posted November 11, 2016 07:53 AM
if you fail mr president, you won't be able to blame anyone else this time, you have all the powers to do what you promised, now let see if one needs to say that the world is ****** up to be able to turn it around, or if you've just been a demagogue, populist.IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted November 11, 2016 08:03 AM
"Someone posts their legitimate concerns about their family and wellbeing and you decided to cut them down with your cruel responses"Legit concerns? Don't make me laugh. This is the kind of group project floating around the internet. Make up a phony heart wrenching story and spread it around. The entire content is a lie. Trump is a defender of both Social Security and Medicare. The least Trump hating loons should do is find something real...and true to moan, screech and howl about. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 11, 2016 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Someone posts their legitimate concerns about their family and wellbeing and you decided to cut them down with your cruel responses"Legit concerns? Don't make me laugh. This is the kind of group project floating around the internet. Make up a phony heart wrenching story and spread it around. The entire content is a lie. Trump is a defender of both Social Security and Medicare. The least Trump hating loons should do is find something real...and true to moan, screech and howl about.
You're calling me a liar? Randall, why do you let him get away with this? My concerns are real, and my dad is a veteran. You're so ******* rude, and don't see anything outside of your entitled bubble. I have no time for you and your attitude. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted November 11, 2016 09:04 AM
"I hope that he will be able to Keep his word on the promises you listed."Hi mirage, I think Trump would rather take a bullet than fail with the glare of the world wide spotlight on him. Every penny of Social Security and Medicare taxes have gone straight to the General Fund and been spent...and continue to be spent. Not one red dime has been saved or put into a fund to pay benefits. Algore's Social Security "Lockbox" was nothing but a gigantic scam. There's nothing in that "Lockbox" but I.O.U.s with taxpayers as the designated payors to Social Security recipients...current and future. If the dollar value of every financial scam in human history were stacked against the Social Security scam, the Social Security scam wins, hands down. There's only one way to pay present and future obligations of the United States...without borrowing money to fund operations. Vastly expand the tax base in the United States. Cut taxes and business regulations to attract business capital which:
Puts millions more Americans to work in good paying jobs from which they...and the expanded businesses they work for pay more taxes. Cut federal spending as a percent of Gross Domestic Product..GDP. Stop funding every harebrained scheme dreamed up by loony tunes types with entirely too much free time on their hands...billions annually for the "man made global warming" scam...just for instance. That, along with pulling businesses and jobs back from other countries is a thumbnail sketch of what Trump has proposed. The operative word here is "thumbnail sketch". Under each of these overarching proposals, are a lot of moving parts. Democrats and some republicans will fight Trump every inch of the way to getting those jobs done. Count on it. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 11, 2016 09:10 AM
I haven't had health insurance for years. Dad was checking in for some for me, with the ACA. He found one with a decent monthly fee, and the amount you pay before they pay the rest of a medical bill. It wasn't great (the latter), but it was the best he'd found so far. The day after Rump is elected, that latter fee jumped to $6500!!! Another option, gone. And all of this talk about cry babies - you elected one. He's back to whining on twitter. Hypocrites. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 11, 2016 09:19 AM
Dems, your party is in shambles. You should be trying to figure out the reasons you lost, instead of whining.IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted November 11, 2016 09:23 AM
Knock off the crap teasel. You know Trump doesn't propose to end or cut back on Social Security payments to present or future SS recipients. However, your comments could have come from and probably did come from a far left lunatic site.In reality, Trump got in the faces of some so called conservative republicans and defended both Social Security and Medicare. More than defended both programs. Trump says..we can't cut Social Security benefits. That wouldn't be fair to those who paid into the program. Donald Trump Rails Against Cutting Social Security, Medicare During GOP Summit
Andrew Kirell
April 18th, 2015
Among the usual platitudes designed to garner applause in his Saturday afternoon New Hampshire Republican leadership summit speech, Donald Trump included a line railing against cutting Social Security and Medicare. There was no applause from the fiscally conservative crowd for that one. Go figure. “You look at what is going with the various things that our country is doing and then you hear politicians, and all you hear is all talk, no action,” the mogul said in his speech before the state GOP’s “First in the Nation” summit. “I am actually disappointed with a lot of the Republican politicians,” he continued, “I am a conservative Republican.” He then rattled off a series of policy ideas of which he either approves or disproves: The Affordable Care Act, “which is a disaster,” he said, “has to be repealed and replaced.” That line drew applause. “Whether it is we are going to cut Social Security, because that’s what they are saying,” he continued. “Every Republican wants to do a big number on Social Security, they want to do it on Medicare, they want to do it on Medicaid. And we can’t do that. And it’s not fair to the people that have been paying in for years and now all of the sudden they want to be cut.”......
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-rails-against-cutting-social-security-medicare-during-gop-summit/ IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 11, 2016 09:24 AM
Even your leaders, Obama and Hillary, accepted the defeat with grace. The peaceful transfer of power. That's what we do in this country. Obama ruled by the pen. When you do that, you risk losing it all, which is what Trump is going to do with his own. Then Trump is going to rule by precedent as the Supreme Court decides all of these cases for 8 years. It's much harder to change precedent than executive fiat. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted November 11, 2016 11:06 AM
I agree Randall.These were the finest moments of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in recent memory. The peaceful transfer of the power of office to new leadership is an unbroken pact with the American people stretching back through more than 240 years of US history. I expect no less from Donald Trump when it's his turn to transfer the Office of President to whomever the American people choose to follow him. IP: Logged |
llewsacm
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posted November 11, 2016 12:26 PM
New ACA fees on the marketplace/exchange went into effect on Nov 1 for 2017. And the majority of them went up. The plans themselves are set. Silver, bronze, etc. Many insurers are leaving the exchange because they are losing so much money. The subsidies are a mess as well...they didn't even agree on who is funding them! And the Obama administration kept pushing back mandates that were designed to cover the cost of aca. Not to mention the whole mess with states who didnt set up an exchange. This was a very poorly thought up mess, that has not made it easier for any American to understand health insurance, nor afford the premiums or deductibles. We are now at a point where countless dollars have been spent on a extremely flawed program. We are better off searching it and starting anew. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted November 11, 2016 12:58 PM
"The day after Rump is elected, that latter fee jumped to $6500!!! Another option, gone."This smacks of accusing Donald Trump of CAUSING ObamaCare premiums and deductables to go up. It's the worst kind of nonsense. Through out the year, insurance companies in the ObamaCare exchanges tally their receipts from premiums they charge their insureds. They also tally their payouts in medical expenses they incur on behalf of those same insureds. They then fix their premiums and deductables for the next year with an eye to making a profit on their business operations. Trump had absolutely nothing to do with their decisions to raise insurance premiums and/or deductables. In fact...as was stated by one astute commenter here, llewsacm,
those premium and deductible increases were set..and went into effect BEFORE Trump was elected as the next President. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 11, 2016 01:34 PM
Ryan says that privatization of medicare is on the agenda. Doesn't that mean screwing over us little guys? And you talk about Liberal stories. Medicare is the only way we've been able to pay the hospital bills from mum's stay, and her operations - they sent the first bill, four days after she died. We're still paying them off, and dad hopes to have a tax return large enough to finish paying them. IP: Logged |
llewsacm
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posted November 11, 2016 04:15 PM
Anyone who is paying taxes is the little guy. We are all getting screwed with taxes, health care premiums, sky high deductibles, etc. And the employers are cutting back on production because they still cannot afford to pay their portion of the premiums. They have to hire a full time team or consultant to manage every crevice of this aca bs. It is not saving anyone money. And it is not making healthcare more affordable. Is it covering more Americans? Well, of course it is because you either buy a $6000+ deductible plan or pay a penalty. It's forced enrollment. Go ask any small business how things are going with their health benefits. Guaranteed they are paying thousands more than before. They are almost better off selling their business off, hiding the money, and going on Medicaid. It's an awful, awful "solution" to health care. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted November 11, 2016 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Dems, your party is in shambles. You should be trying to figure out the reasons you lost, instead of whining.
Republicans won, and they're still whining. So what does that make you?
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StubbornVirgo
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posted November 11, 2016 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Go ask any small business how things are going with their health benefits. Guaranteed they are paying thousands more than before. They are almost better off selling their business off, hiding the money, and going on Medicaid. It's an awful, awful "solution" to health care.
Sorry, but if you have a small business, you're in a much better position than most Americans. Most people have no choice but to work for an employer. Being self-employed is a luxury in this day and age. I'm not saying that their concerns aren't legitimate, but they make up a small part of the 20 million Americans that are insured through Obamacare. We can argue about the method through which Obamacare insures Americans all day, but it doesn't change the fact that it insured 20 million people. And people are currently jumping to become insured through Obamacare because they're afraid they won't be able to have health insurance once Trump takes office. quote:
More than 100,000 applicants snapped up Obamacare health insurance on the day after Tuesday's election, this year's biggest sign-up, the Obama administration announced.
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37953528 IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 11, 2016 05:25 PM
Where are whining Republicans? But leftist loons are in the streets having temper tantrums smashing car windows. Real mature.IP: Logged |
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