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hypatia238
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posted November 12, 2016 05:49 PM
  
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Originally posted by Orange:
Apparently , Noel Tyl astrologer was one of the few to predict this election result based on the Trump's Solar ARC activities in his chart. Trump had just had his SUN arching on top of his natal ASC.
His MC is arching towards his Saturn-Pluto midpoint. This time will be marked in some way, hopefully nothing bad.
What i am most puzzled about is this upcoming Saturn Transit on his Sun and Moon, just days before the inaguration. I wonder if there will be an attempt for his removal, just before the inaguration.
What comes to mind personally is that transit saturn in his moon in the 4H will make it so he has to work super hard for his country and that his family who is very important to him in light of this bigger responsibility will take a back burner. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 12, 2016 05:57 PM
Sis, you know I love you and this is why I have to say that what stands out to me about this video is his efforts to remember/repeat the lines he had learned by the unnatural slowness and monotony of the speech, and the hesitations when it's a little difficult to remember a certain word of the speech. It's easier to see this, in the heat of these moments,( I suppose it's going to happen afterwards though) when you compare his manner of speech here with how he speaks when interested and believing what he says (for example the 2010 Jay Leno interview about the erotic photos), when he speaks naturally. The lines in the speech are very foreign to his beliefs. Only by the end, when he mentions his business, is himself (obvious change in tone and rhythm).Which makes for a stark contrast between the way he speaks and the bold, artistic, heroic images and dramatic music. He doesn't believe what he says in that video, and he won't do those things, baby, he never planned to. ------------------
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yungang_grotto
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posted November 12, 2016 05:58 PM
How can you say he cares about his family.. He raped his ex-wife and pulled out her hair? I just don't get it. He is many things, but a saint??Do you really think all these people who have accused him of assault are liars? Or do you not care? Do you not know? I can't overlook this kind of thing. I know too much about rape cases. http://www.ibtimes.com/when-has-trump-been-accused-rape-or-att empted-rape-three-times-women-have-pressed-2444712 IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 12, 2016 06:09 PM
I understand wanting to believe he's good. I do understand it... I see how tempting it is... I see the facade, I understand the energy of believing he's the best ever. It's similar to wanting to believe the same of ourselves, despite all our transgressions. This is very vilifying for people, this whole thing, because they get to see somebody who is clearly depraved being elevated, and they see themselves in this. They think, if it's ok to do all these horrible things, then I am ok too. And I totally understand that feeling. In a way, it's true. In a way, the predatory nature of the human being is an integral part of our karmic reality. But if you are a rape apologist, and you believe that rape isn't bad, then you might as well come out and say it, and see how that feels. Maybe it isn't bad (I am exploring a theory here, stay with me folks). Maybe it isn't bad to rape people... But then why is he denying it publicly? Because he would be imprisoned if he admitted it. However, energetically, he is all but admitting it, with his words and his actions, his pompous celebration of the objectification of women, etc. etc. So he gives the rapists of the world, and everybody who ever indulged in a rape fantasy (a lot of people) somebody to look up to. But this is all bound to crumble. If you believe in karma, if you believe in hell, then that is what you will experience when you finally admit how much pain rape actually causes.... It isn't a nice thing. It's terrible.I know how things that look shiny and good are so often fraught... they're not real. It's a facade. Reality is more complicated than this... it's much more painful. Sainthood involves owning up to your problems and being willing to die for the well being of others. Trump is not that kind of person. He gives the illusion of invulnerability (hence those images of him in the huge robot suit). That is an illusion; vulnerability is true strength, and he is an unrelenting aggressor, fragile and broken and totally depraved underneath the shiny facade... It would be great if some guy could come sort everything out. But that's not how it is, at least that's not my reality... it doesn't give lasting comfort, by any means... the reality of suffering pierces through the veil of illusory well being and goodness which has been spun... and we must face the darkness which is inherent in the desire for self-preservation at others' expense... The Neptune thing that you pointed out, LeeLoo (never got to say hi in the other thread.. hi... so happy to read your words here and witness your wisdom), is the thing I keep coming back to in my mind, that 2nd house Neptune... wanting to believe the best of ourselves, and others... a total obscuring of values... IP: Logged |
florence
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posted November 12, 2016 06:19 PM
Quite often the politicians saying 'i want to serve you' really mean 'you want to serve me' or, 'I want you to serve me.' IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 12, 2016 06:23 PM
You guys are good at picking on him but don't pick on Hillary at all. Nobody here ever said Donald was a saint but he is certainly not corrupt like Hillary, certainly not nearly close to the level she is anyways. He is not going around committing treason like she is. Here is an exercise why don't you list all the the things that are wrong with Hillary, invest the same amount of time you dedicate to finding things wrong with Trump to finding things wrong with her.Liberals are the ones hating, wanting to kill Trump and his supporters. When Obama won twice in a row nobody attempted to kill him or his supporters so who is truly spreading hate and racism? Who is spreading hate when you call half of the country racist/sexist/xenophobes creating more division and racism? You are your own worse enemy. Liberals are very capable of fabricating rape claims to try to hurt his chances, I find it very interesting that a bunch of people that accused him of rape only made their accusations in the year of his presidential run and a number of the rape claims were legally retracted right bf the elections while a number of them you couldn't verify their identities, not to mention most of them were not legally persued. If we are to believe rape claims without convictions then there is no reason to ever be supporting a Clinton run for office ever. The left holds complete double standards in this regard. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 12, 2016 06:25 PM
All politicians these days get in by lying about what they are going to do; they'll say anything to get in.If Trump were a generous saint who cared about people, he wouldn't be CEO of a major corporation with billions of dollars in his own interests, he would be an actual saint... a philanthropist.... a giver, somebody who clearly cared his whole life, and his actions would have backed that up. He isn't. He never was... IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 12, 2016 06:27 PM
Again nobody said he is a saint wow  and actually he is super generous and constantly donating to a bunch of charities!!!!IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 12, 2016 06:31 PM
Every single election, hypatia, I'll tell you what I do...I talk about how the government itself is predicated on a colonial system of domination and subjugation... The government was corrupt from the first, as it was based on the genocide of the indigenous people. The political schema was developed out of the desire of the elite in Europe to gain control over the commons. They intentionally divided the people against one another, in order that they could break up the very powerful network of pagan pepole who were living with the land (just like the indigenous people of North America), and take total control of the land which used to belong to everybody. Now we have no commons. They did this by demonizing the women (you can find church documents explicitly saying women are evil, are of the devil, etc etc) and planting seeds of hatred for anybody practicing worship of the earth. They burnt people at the stake as heretics, and were merciless in tearing down everything that we knew about how to survive and take care of each other so that they could dominate. This was a calculated thing, it didn't just arise organically. Similarly, the decimation of the indigenous peoples of North America was very well thought out. What we have today is the continuation of that domination. National politics are never going to solve our problems. I am not, was not, and never will be, a Hillary supporter, a democrat, a Liberal, or anything. I would not have voted for the "lesser evil." I do not put ANY stock in the government at all, and putting any energy into doing so is to play into the system of domination which encourages us to hate one another. I do not buy into any of the political rhetoric, I do not believe our answers lie in this duality, or this system, at all. We need to take care of each other and care for one another, plant food and create strong local economies and communities based on tangible and measurable well being. I care about you, which is why I'm here talking to you about this. Don't put your hope in these false idols. They are violent and selfish, and they are all put there to keep us oppressed and hurting one another for their own gain  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 12, 2016 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Again nobody said he is a saint wow and actually he is super generous and constantly donating to a bunch of charities!!!!
Which charities? A lot of charities are very corrupt, too. But yeah if there are good side effects to his bid for power and bolstering his ego, that's great. Sometimes that's all you can hope for, which is sad. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 12, 2016 06:36 PM
No, the accusations of rape against him were in the 90's... they're published in a biography of him which was published in the 90's...People retracted their rape accusations because their physical safety was threatened. It's awful to believe the rapist instead of the people who are saying they were raped. People have nothing to gain from making that up. I am not a liberal, I think Hillary is awful too. If anybody were here building her up, I would be saying pretty much the exact same stuff about the government being a totally awful dominant facade for greedy elite monsters.  I'm going to leave now. Wishing you all well. IP: Logged |
florence
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posted November 12, 2016 06:37 PM
Look. Can anyone summarise in a sentence for me what Hillary did wrong with emails? I have looked it up, I couldn't grasp the same significance everyone has been giving weight to it and it just sounded like it was inflated as a smear IP: Logged |
bonsai
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posted November 12, 2016 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
seriously people ? close this thread down. It has no business being here.
And btw that abortion isn't healthy argument..thanks for the good laugh.
Well, having many abortions isn't healthy, it's true. Nothing to laugh at. I consider myself pro-choice, but I also think that the choice of abortion should never be taken lightly, and having too many can seriously take a toll on a woman's body, just like too many pregnancies or too much of anything really. Everything in moderation. And Yungang, I highly respect your way of thinking. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 12, 2016 06:56 PM
Yun, hi, and thank you, please don't take in this energy, there is also the hugeness of the Supermoon on his MC. It's a peak now. The Sabian of this Moon speaks of variety to me, but, interestingly, values/security too as you say (and the gold I mentioned myself) - the 2nd house (A Jewelry Shop Filled With Valuable Gems) the next one, 24 Taurus (his MC) is also very telling (here is Lynda Hill's description):"Taurus 24: An Indian Warrior Riding Fiercely With Human Scalps Hanging At His Belt. There is no decent place to stand in a massacre. Leonard Cohen Do not throw the arrow which will return against you. Kurdish Proverb Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway. John Wayne There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white man’s notion that he is less savage than the other savages. Mark Twain ‘An Indian Warrior Riding Fiercely With Human Scalps Hanging at His Belt’ is a Symbol of
Indian Warrior
great force and conquest. ‘Scalping’ is often associated with Native Americans, however, the Indians learnt the practice of ‘Scalping’ from the Europeans, where it was a well-established tradition. Long ago, the English paid bounties for Irish scalps. The original Indian tradition was for the ‘Warrior’ to steal something from the person conquered to show how strong his medicine was to others. Regardless of who does it: a vengeful heart creates only sadness for all concerned, and there are no real winners, in the end. Someone may have been holding back from pursuing what they’ve wanted and are now going after all they can get. Consideration may need to be made concerning other people’s rights as this can point to the invasion of other people’s space or territory. The “us or them” mentality can lead to disputes, and separations and the forgetting of a sense of people’s humanity. Perhaps you haven’t been given a fair share of things by society, or these have literally been taken from you. There can be a chain reaction set off with this Symbol, so there needs to be care taken that a real “war” is not started with people seeking revenge. There may be a need for someone to mark their territory and claim their dues. Look to see if there are barriers up to prevent invasions of territory, yours or another’s. Be wary of excessive competition, in the marketplace or the home, as this can scare people off – making the environment unsafe and unsound. Taken to its extreme, this Symbol can point to all-out wars between people.Alternatively, with a level of controlled aggression and taking the necessary risks, you can be recognized for your abilities as a successful leader, prepared to face danger to succeed. Bravery and honor are often admired and respected by others. Keywords: Race wars. Claiming one’s soil. Trophies of conquest. Aggression. Basic instincts. Territoriality. Chain reactions. *** -for-tat. Competitive natures. Risks for the clan or group. Trophies, medals and diplomas. Striving for recognition and respect, deserved or not. Blood and sacrifice. Tribes mourning their losses and their dead. Ritualistic behaviors. Marking victories. War crimes. Ticket scalpers. The Caution: Conquering others without emotion. Showing off to intimidate others. Domination and ruthlessness. Taking things because one can. Violation of other’s space. Testosterone. Feeling taken advantage of. Notches on the belt, or gun. Cycles of retribution.
Vengeance. Taking scalps. I'm hoping that things don't erupt in the middle east as Taurus 24 is the degree of Israel and Palestine's Suns. (There is a long story here that I won't go into as I think we have enough to deal with in our own lives without bringing this up, but I thought to mention it as it is an incredibly revealing Symbol for both Israel and Palestine to have). " (this is an older article, 2014) Israel's Sun is 23.40 Taurus. It's strange how she used a Leonard Cohen quote, isn't it?
PS: Palestine's Sun is 22. 49 Scorpio, opposing Israel Sun and sitting on the Supermoon and on Trump's MC/IC, and on Hillary's ASC/DSC/NN axis, if DOBs correct (the NN stays, regardless). Just interesting astrological facts (hopefully haha).
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Orange
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posted November 12, 2016 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Sis, you know I love you and this is why I have to say that what stands out to me about this video is his efforts to remember/repeat the lines he had learned by the unnatural slowness and monotony of the speech.
He doesn't believe what he says in that video, and he won't do those things, baby, he never planned to.
Hun, LeeLoo, I luv you too He has been saying the same things 30 years ago. but you have already made up your mind, see this-----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM&t=19s IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 12, 2016 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by Orange:
Hun, LeeLoo, I luv you tooHe has been saying the same things 30 years ago. but you have already made up your mind, ...
-------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM&t=19s
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hypatia238
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posted November 12, 2016 07:09 PM
Well yungang I can respect anybody who says F the two party system but too much was at stake for me not to vote Republican this year. I did vote my conscience and I feel at the very least he will do less damage to the economy and our freedom. Like Ami pointed out there are quite a number of positive things that have happened already. He is a men of action and results and will do some good, Hillary is more of the same, more globalism which to me means you follow orders from leaders of other countries and that is treason bc by putting the interests of other countries first you are back stabbing the American people and not working for our best interest.I appreciate you been against the two party system, I really do. However even Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul ran with the two party system even though at heart they are 3rd party candidates bc the odds of winning as 3rd party are low.
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hypatia238
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posted November 12, 2016 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by bonsai:
Well, having many abortions isn't healthy, it's true. Nothing to laugh at. I consider myself pro-choice, but I also think that the choice of abortion should never be taken lightly, and having too many can seriously take a toll on a woman's body, just like too many pregnancies or too much of anything really. Everything in moderation.And Yungang, I highly respect your way of thinking.
I second this, abortion is not a virtue or fun for that matter but I am also pro choice. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 12, 2016 07:24 PM
Btw I have been taking in all the energy this past week connected to the election coming from the liberals and it has effected me a lot actually, it has been really rough absorving all that pain, emotion, hate, anger and disappointment been spewed out. I am sure Orange and Ami too picked it up and why they said Bye and left the thread, well that and the fact that neither side is trying to understand the other and it's exhausting. It's easy to dehumanize the other side and label them as racist and nobody talks about white racism bc they did some bad stuff over a 100 years ago. Mind you America is the least guilty of practicing slavery as slavery was practiced world wide and in other countries including Africa and Muslim countries at a much larger scale and I mean much larger but let's not look at world history. Americans were also the first to end slavery but let's not focus on that either. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 12, 2016 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Btw I have been taking in all the energy this past week connected to the election coming from the liberals and it has effected me a lot actually, it has been really rough observing all that pain, emotion, hate, anger and disappointment been spewed out. I am sure Orange and Ami too picked it up and why they said Bye and left the thread, well that and the fact that neither side is trying to understand the other and it's exhausting. It's easy to dehumanize the other side and label them as racist and nobody talks about white racism bc they did some bad stuff over a 100 years ago. Mind you America is the least guilty of practicing slavery as slavery was practiced world wide and in other countries including Africa and Muslim countries at a much larger scale and I mean much larger but let's not look at world history. Americans were also the first to end slavery but let's not focus on that either.
The problem is that the liberals have not been educated properly in things like the constitution and what it means to be FREE and how easily we could have lost it with false issues like "abuse of women by Trump"
It was soooo scary to see this level of ignorance--truly heartbreaking, H!
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hypatia238
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posted November 12, 2016 07:32 PM
There are more slaves in Sudan right now than there were slaves in the entire history of the trans Atlantic slave trade.Sudan is a Muslim majority country. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted November 12, 2016 07:47 PM
A shadow Gemini, if I ever saw one. Troll. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 12, 2016 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Btw I have been taking in all the energy this past week connected to the election coming from the liberals and it has effected me a lot actually, it has been really rough absorving all that pain, emotion, hate, anger and disappointment been spewed out. I am sure Orange and Ami too picked it up and why they said Bye and left the thread, well that and the fact that neither side is trying to understand the other and it's exhausting. It's easy to dehumanize the other side and label them as racist and nobody talks about white racism bc they did some bad stuff over a 100 years ago. Mind you America is the least guilty of practicing slavery as slavery was practiced world wide and in other countries including Africa and Muslim countries at a much larger scale and I mean much larger but let's not look at world history. Americans were also the first to end slavery but let's not focus on that either.
I left for the same reasons - the anger and hate coming out of gloating republicans, who keep insisting that anything being reported is being made up by the media, and that we're brainwashed. That's why I tried to post something that might get through to someone, and of course, it didn't work. We've been on the receiving end of a lot of hatred, too. I'm tired of this. The rules also keep changing about what can and cannot be posted here. When it's convenient (people are praising rump), it's left open. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 12, 2016 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The problem is that the liberals have not been educated properly in things like the constitution and what it means to be FREE and how easily we could have lost it with false issues like "abuse of women by Trump"
It was soooo scary to see this level of ignorance--truly heartbreaking, H!
Ami, could you please stop with the insults? We are not ignorant, and really, we missed out on a better person, with all of this crap that was spread about Hillary. In my opinion. I was a Bernie supporter before her. I ended up being fine with her, and disliking rump for very good reasons - and I'm not alone. You show no respect for my feelings and opinions, but you expect me to respect yours. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted November 12, 2016 09:26 PM
http://twitter.com/samwhiteout/status/797151545745928194 For those who think people are protesting because they lost the election. Some of us are waiting for the new President-elect to denounce what's happening in his name. Calling people crybabies, and other names, isn't what I call a unifying strategy, or basic human decency. IP: Logged | |
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