posted November 12, 2016 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://twitter.com/samwhiteout/status/797151545745928194

For those who think people are protesting because they lost the election.

Some of us are waiting for the new President-elect to denounce what's happening in his name.

Calling people crybabies, and other names, isn't what I call a unifying strategy, or basic human decency.

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Sorry, but how is this his fault? Or how about the white guy that got beat up in the middle of the street by 5 black guys because he was a Trump supporter? Trump can't control what people do. He even said in the initial vid that was posted that he wants nothing to do with any hate group.

posted November 12, 2016 10:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
WOW
i just saw this. No tv media had ran it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGjczYz1bg

Can he do what he says? Is his astro chart strong enough?

He has Sun- Uranus - North Node conjunction in his 10th .
Is that enough to help him to take on the establishment?

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Trump will take on what he sees as liberal/Democratic DC insiders, but he will not take on the entire establishment (political-econonomic) of which he is a part. By nature, plutocrats and oligarchs are part of the establishment. He won't undo the system that has benefitted him so much. You cannot take on the 'establishment' unless you take on capitalism. He has no intention of taking on capitalism.

But he is a good salesman.

He said,"I alone can fix it", easily the greatest example of hubris from any candidate in my lifetime. Arrogance beyond measure, which completely cancels everything he said about serving you or about the people being the power to change 'it'.

As to his chart, barring death it is strong enough natally and in progressions for him to be a two-termer.

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Originally posted by florence:
Look. Can anyone summarise in a sentence for me what Hillary did wrong with emails? I have looked it up, I couldn't grasp the same significance everyone has been giving weight to it and it just sounded like it was inflated as a smear

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Hillary Clinton violated both established security protocols and federal laws regarding communications via unsecured servers and/or devices and she did it purely for her own convenience, lied about it repeatedly, then destroyed thousands of those emails she was legally obligated to keep on file elsewhere.

This is not a partisan smear. The GOP tried to smear her with the Benghazi embassy deaths, but in their (and simple federal records) investigations uncovered the email business. They are two different things, and Hillary Clinton is personally and wholly responsible for her decisions and actions in her own personal email use. She displayed terrible judgment and naivete and/or total ignorance regarding computer network technologies and systems security.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy

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In May 2016, the Department's Office of the Inspector General Steve Linick released an 83-page report about the State Department's email practices. The Inspector General was unable to find evidence that Clinton had ever sought approval from the State Department staff for her use of a private email server, determining that if Clinton had sought approval, Department staff would have declined her setup because of the "security risks in doing so". Aside from security risks, the report stated that "she did not comply with the Department's policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The problem is that the liberals have not been educated properly in things like the constitution and what it means to be FREE and how easily we could have lost it with false issues like "abuse of women by Trump"
It was soooo scary to see this level of ignorance--truly heartbreaking, H!

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This is grotesque partisan masturbation using the mass-produced plastic ideational playthings given you by Faux News and a blindered media stream.

My political views mean you would toss me into your broad category for "the liberals" yet I am thoroughly educated in The United States Constitution and have a copy of it right beside me and on my computer. I have consulted it often over the years.

Donald Trump has stated very openly he wants to "open up" libel laws so he can sue media organziations when he does not like what they print about him.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016-election-donald-trump-press-freedom-first-amendment-520389
http://www.npr.org/2016/03/24/471762310/donald-trump-wants-to-open- up-libel-laws-so-he-can-sue-news-outlets

That does not respect the independence or freedom of the press, contained in our very First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

It is Donald Trump who needs an education in the Constitution, along with his more rabid supporters who are clearly xenophobes and racists.

Trump has called for the repeal of the 14th Amendment establishing birthright citizenship.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/19/republicans-want-to-change-the-14th-amendment-but-that-often-requires-war-crisis-or-death/

Nearly 20% of Trump supporters want to repeal the 13th Amendment that ended slavery. http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/

Trump has acted as a demagogue and there is no point denying it. He has pushed people's buttons and invited blatant racists and neo-nazis like David Duke back into the electoral process, when they never had a candidate to call their own since maybe George Wallace (who later repented and let go of his racist attitudes). In addition, there is plenty of evidence that the GOP nationwide has used mass voter roll purging to win this election.

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

Using a bit of technocracy the GOP's so-called southern strategy has gotten more sophisticated.

Dump both big arrogant parties. Go Green Party.

posted November 12, 2016 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by kewf1988:
Trump ran a VERY divisive campaign, and it's natural for people to act out when they feel threatened, which minorities and homosexuals are right now.

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posted November 12, 2016 10:45 PM            

For example, Obamacare was free to a MINORITY and was breaking the backs of the MAJORITY--which is the middle class.

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posted November 12, 2016 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
And there's your racism. It comes in all forms, some of it as parroted political ideology.

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posted November 12, 2016 11:00 PM            

You are continuing to reinforce the very prejudice you deny by using the term "free loader". I don't care if you are Korean. Japenese people have been notoriously racist against Koreans.

posted November 12, 2016 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Care to explain why you found it funny? Or are you gonna be a little b1tch about it like a typical Trump hater? Funny how Pu$$ies like you act as if you are levitating above all of us or some sh1t. And as if that wasn't bad enough, ret4rds like you express disapproval against narcissism. OH THE LEVEL OF HIPOCRACY FFS. DID YOU BOTHER TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELF BEFORE YOU CALL OTHERS NARCISSISTIC????
Absolutely disgusting!!!!
SHAME ON YOUR MOTHER FOR RAISING SUCH CLOUD OF HYPOCRISY

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oh wow how polite and eloquent. Nice way to have a civil conversation, indeed.

I actually didn't even get to explain my opinion before I got people attacking like I committed some sort of crime. I didn't mean to make abortion seem like something women do for 'fun' because last time I checked they don't. What I disagreed with was the overuse of the argument itself. Even if abortion is unhealthy, a woman still need to have the choice of whether to have the baby or not. By saying that abortion is unhealthy and therefore should be outlawed, then you're taking away that choice.

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posted November 12, 2016 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
"Minority" has to do with the minority of citizens, not any race etc

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Irrelevant misdirection from the xenophobia inherent in statements made here.

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For example, Obamacare was free to a MINORITY and was breaking the backs of the MAJORITY--which is the middle class.

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No backs were being broken. Stop exaggerating. This nation has long compensated for the inequality inherent in a capitalist system that actively suppresses wages to a level too low for many people to live on, keep their homes, and still afford medical care. Then that capitalist system turns around encourages in-fighting and scapegoating of the poor for 'free loading'.

If you want a broader tax base that does not fall too heavy on the middle class, then demand the wealthy and corporations pay their share, which should be enough to make up for what the poor cannot and will never be able to pay.

posted November 12, 2016 11:19 PM            

I wish you would clean up your posts, so you don't get kicked off.

Just take out the swears and leave the rest of the points lol

You can ask people to take off your quotes, if you want to, too.

I am not saying you will get kicked off cuz I don't make those decisions but I would hate to see it, personally.

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posted November 12, 2016 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No backs were being broken. Stop exaggerating.

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posted November 12, 2016 11:23 PM            

EXACTLY, Venus

We need you here!

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posted November 12, 2016 11:24 PM            

"The central thesis of the book is that inequality is not an accident, but rather a feature of capitalism, and can only be reversed through state interventionism. The book thus argues that, unless capitalism is reformed, the very democratic order will be threatened."

That means that to maintain a civilized society government policies must compensate for the underpayment of wages to the working class (even the so-called middle class). It does this by using its bulk buying power to ensure that every citizen has access to things like necessary medical care.

In the long run this costs society less than not compensating, because eventually those with untreated medical problems still visit hospitals and still cannot pay, but then the medical institutions either go under from the burden or get some type of government grants/support. The only difference is how soon the persons are treated and whether it will be at their discretion.

Use of the term "free loader" telegraphs your prejudice, that you have not applied the golden rule to your political reasoning, are short-sighted and allow others to manipulate you with such dialogue.

Ami Anne, you can keep trying if you like, but you will never win an argument with me on politics or economics. I'm more informed and am perfectly willing to do this indefinitely.

posted November 12, 2016 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
@Venus in Cap

I wish you would clean up your posts, so you don't get kicked off.

I am not saying you will cuz I don't make those decisions but I would hate to see it, personally.

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posted November 12, 2016 11:28 PM            

You can just tell them the truth and have them give you illogical rubbish and ignore or whatever but don't hurt yourself over it

One day, they may learn, hopefully.

They have no idea the tyranny they were spared by getting Trump lol

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posted November 12, 2016 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:

Why in the world did your mother raise you to be so nosy without purpose, and encourage you to speak before thinking?
Your mother is a total fail

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srsly what's the hell is wrong with you ? Why do you keep insulting my mom ?? You have a problem with me I get it but mentioning my mom over and over ?? I'm starting to think that you got some serious issues. and you just called me a retard..oh wow, I haven't heard that word used as insult since high school.

posted November 12, 2016 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Did you care to look at the increase on premiums for Obamacare before you presented your argument here?? And you do realize that Obamacare was mostly applied to those who couldn't afford such fees?

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As an American 'minority' [sic] who has been a beneficiary of the ACA, I am perfectly aware of this. I am not defending Obamacare, but the very need to properly and effectively compensate for the shortcomings of capitalism in a number of areas. Obamacare is a very imperfect collection of bandaids, but the best that could be attempted short of overhauling the system to Medicare for all, or for allowing each state to enact their own universal coverage program.

To make the argument this cannot be done and that it somehow creates an undue burden upon anyone else, is to have huge blindspot to capitalism. It is to assume it sets wages, prices, etc, justly and fairly and that everyone has enough to get what they need. Not true. That assumption is itself an ideological bias.

Universal healthcare is achievable in the wealthiest nation on earth. Take a look at the history of the income tax in the USA. It began as a tax on corporate income, but somehow has been shifted to the masses. How did that happen? Capitalism. Big capital hates paying taxes. If they had just provided proper in-house health coverage (as has been done in many other countries) as part of compensation package, we would not be having this discussion.

posted November 12, 2016 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You CANNOT have a civil conversation with them, Venus.

You can just tell them the truth and have them give you illogical rubbish and ignore or whatever but don't hurt yourself over it

One day, they may learn, hopefully.

They have no idea the tyranny they were spared by getting Trump lol

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I am having a civil conversation in case you didn't notice. I don't engage in ad hominem attacks. I don't bring in someone's mother.

Truth has nothing to do with this. Gut level feelings do. Lots of folks expose theirs when politics come up and cannot stay on issues.

posted November 12, 2016 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Capitalist economist Thomas Piketty has written the new 'Das Kapital', the most thorough, long-building examination of capitalism to date.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_in_the_Twenty-First_Century

"The central thesis of the book is that inequality is not an accident, but rather a feature of capitalism, and can only be reversed through state interventionism. The book thus argues that, unless capitalism is reformed, the very democratic order will be threatened."

That means that to maintain a civilized society government policies must compensate for the underpayment of wages to the working class (even the so-called middle class). It does this by using its bulk buying power to ensure that every citizen has access to things like necessary medical care.

In the long run this costs society less than not compensating, because eventually those with untreated medical problems still visit hospitals and still cannot pay, but then the medical institutions either go under from the burden or get some type of government grants/support. The only difference is how soon the persons are treated and whether it will be at their discretion.

Use of the term "free loader" telegraphs your prejudice, that you have not applied the golden rule to your political reasoning, are short-sighted and allow others to manipulate you with such dialogue.

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But how does Thomas Piketty's argument contrast with Trump's policies? Because the reasoning behind such theory seems to coincide with the purpose of Trump's policies. Although I am a free-market Austrian economics guy, what Trump is doing isn't letting the market correct itself. He is stepping in to bring changes. (For instance he says all the overseas American Jobs should come back to the United States in order to combat the unemployment crisis in our home) Also, Thomas Piketty doesn't talk about illegal immigrants at all. I mean... did you know that illegal immigrants in California is receiving free Obamacare..??? Can we not just call it what it is?