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posted November 13, 2016 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Since racism is no longer possible in the US (due to the country itself being a reunion of immigrants from all over the world, and the country not "belonging" to a certain race, ethnicity, people, religion, gender, except for Native Americans maybe, if we want to erase immigration), racism in America is a self-destructive bomb.

I won't even mention how absurd it is to see immigrants speaking against immigration in any way. It gives us a show of the lower nature of man and its selfishness and hypocrisy. Plus, on a practical level, when immigration stops, our species begins to die.




I do agree with you, my dear.

I know it's absurd but it's the cruel reality, obviously in all countries.

regarding the U.S.- a country build on genoicide and build up by immigrants -: you would expect a highly tolerante society with the consciousness what racism can do (genoicide) but obviously that's not the case, the reality of history doesn't help.

In Germany many "non-Germans" live and i'll tell you right now, they are not beaten by any neonazis in terms of prejudice and racism. I know many people descended from Eastern European ethnicities who are anti-semitic- in a country where the Holoccaust was taking place and where they are now foreigners.

I do know "non-Germans" who were refugees themselves (!!!) and who know breathe fire and brimstone facing the refugees influx. It was okay that they came to Germany but it's unacceptable for Syrians and Yazidis who run away from war, persecution and genoicide.

So, i am not surprised at all that you still find plenty of racism in the U.S. - despite their history


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posted November 13, 2016 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"basically i always have issues with torture, doesn't matter if the president is Trump, Obama, Hillary, Alf, Messiahs, purple Alien or whatever."

Waterboarding is not torture. Waterboarding causes NO injuries, inflicts NO pain.

"and what about muslim ban? there are billions of muslims...."

Refugees from specific countries will be restricted from entering the US. Those countries which have significant terrorist problems or terrorist populations.

"and what about that wall to Mexico?"

Build the wall and build it tall.

"and what about throwing women into jail for having had an abortion?"

You must have missed this discussion. Trump never said..punish women who have abortions.

Trump was asked a question...IF abortion was illegal and a woman has an abortion, should she be punished. Trump said yes...IF abortion was illegal.

Trump's mistake was in answering a far left lunatic's hypothetical question in the first place.

His answer should have been...Don't ask hypothetical questions. Get back to me when abortion IS illegal..if ever.

IF...the cow jumped over the Moon, should she be eligible for the Space Cadet Program?

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posted November 13, 2016 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Donald Trump’s Financial Advisory Team Stocked With Wall Streeters. Still think Trump is anti-establishment?

I find it ironic that in a forum labeled "Global Unity" people are advocating things that clearly lack the basic Golden Rule mentality necessary to create such a thing.

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posted November 13, 2016 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Refugees from specific countries will be restricted from entering the US. Those countries which have significant terrorist problems or terrorist populations.
--> what countries do you refer to?
And what about yazidis and christians from those countries? They suffer from genoicide. Or is it just bad luck for them?

Waterboarding causes deep anxieties and panic. It IS torture.
Also, the U.S. is notorious for torture, at least they were notorious for torture and rape in Iraq. Or have you forgotten the war crimes the U.S. committ in Iraq? Or is it something collateral, something that just happens?

aha, do you know how expensive that wall will be?

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posted November 13, 2016 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Donald Trump’s Financial Advisory Team Stocked With Wall Streeters. Still think Trump is anti-establishment?


And Ivanka Trump is married to that Kushner, son of the owner of Kushner properties. The New York Real Estate market is highly run by Jewish businessmen like Kushner and Tishman Speyer, etc.

no wonder he is pro Israeli. It would be bad for business and family matters if he wasn't.

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posted November 13, 2016 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, darling, and thank you what I meant is that official racism in America is not possible without self-destruction and civil war. And this goes for any melting pot society. In fact, official racism is no longer possible, globally. We are all a melting pot already. If someone wants walls around people, they should go (back) to North Korea. Nothing goes in, nothing goes out. Perfectly safe.

The usual mental flaw is believing prejudice includes some to protect others from it, but once you get it out, racism is all-inclusive and a chain reaction.

The light at the end of the tunnel in the situation is that, with this occasion, the American people will discover, as a national soul, how far from racism they really are and they are.

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posted November 13, 2016 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump made wild promises to disenfranchised, discontented white working class and others p***** off by Hilary for votes. Now we'll see just how much of a game changer he is.

“The idea that a congressman would be tainted by accepting money from private industry or private sources is essentially a socialist argument.” said Newt Gingrich, tipped to be Sec of State.

His cabinet will consist of a range of climate change deniers, anti-intellectuals and CEOs, with Rudy Guiliani and Sarah Palin tipped to take key positions.

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posted November 13, 2016 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The left have lost their collective minds.

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posted November 13, 2016 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The left have lost their collective minds.

And right wings never had access to their minds

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posted November 13, 2016 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see right wingers attacking the police and smashing car windows. Hypocrites.

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posted November 13, 2016 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't see right wingers attacking the police and smashing car windows. Hypocrites.

Hahahaha... in Europe they are well known for that

And why are you calling me a hypocrite? I already told you that I do not smash car Windows

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posted November 13, 2016 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't say hypocrite. I used the plural form of the word. If I were calling you a hypocrite, it would be singular. I'm speaking to the "love trumps hate" ers who are doing quite the opposite.

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posted November 13, 2016 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to avoid any misunderstandings: Republicans are right wings or conservatives?
I mean in the US? In Europe there's a immense difference between right wings and conservatives. Right wings are xenophobic and New nazis and conservatives are bitter opponents to both leftwings and right wings. Also, a liberal politician is no leftist, let out a right wing

So what is the difference in the US?

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posted November 13, 2016 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I didn't say hypocrite. I used the plural form of the word. If I were calling you a hypocrite, it would be singular. I'm speaking to the "love trumps hate" ers who are doing quite the opposite.

There must be a Balance in the world.
In the US alleged left wings indulge themselves in violent riots and in Europe right wings burn down ,asylum Centers and attack widows and their children

There must be a balance of energy in this world

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posted November 13, 2016 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am very sorry for the violence

I mean the poor cars! They are innocent! Though garages gonna have a good Business month

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posted November 13, 2016 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Breitbart alt-right just took over the GOP: If Republicans aren't careful, they'll soon see true conservatism banished from their party. By Ben Shapiro

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But it wasn’t until March 29 that Breitbart’s full embrace of the alt-right became clear. That’s the day the site featured Yiannopoulos’s lengthy piece glorifying the alt-right. Yiannopoulos had already given interviews in which he stated that “Jews run the banks” and “Jews run the media,” dismissing anti-Semitic memes as merely “mischievous, dissident, trolly.” He wrote, along with co-author Allum Bokhari, this insane sentence: “There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared), but one thing stands out above all else: intelligence.”

The phrase "alt-right" was coined by one of the most bigoted, racist, white supremacists in America — Richard Betrand Spencer.

In 2013, the Anti-Defamation League labeled him as "symbol of the new white supremacy." The Southern Poverty Law Center called the 38-year old-Spencer "a suit-and-tie version of the white supremacists of old, a kind of professional racist in khakis."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-trump-leading-transformation-turn-gop-kkk-article-1.2784690?cid=bitly

If there is no unity within the USA, how can we as a nation possibly contribute to global unity?

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posted November 13, 2016 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Just to avoid any misunderstandings: Republicans are right wings or conservatives?
I mean in the US? In Europe there's a immense difference between right wings and conservatives. Right wings are xenophobic and New nazis and conservatives are bitter opponents to both leftwings and right wings. Also, a liberal politician is no leftist, let out a right wing

So what is the difference in the US?


Good questions. I will try to explain.

You may find the above articles I posted will inform you of the core tensions in party politics right now. The Republicans have been the conservative party since the early-mid 1900s. Democrats have been the more liberal/centrist party since around that time.

Currently there is an influx into the Republican party/Trump campaign/administration by the "alt-right", which is the white supremacist 'new right.' They took over Breitbart news online.

There is really no functional 'left' in the USA, and there hasn't been since around 1950 or so when socialists and communists were skewered publicly, lost their jobs, etc. The Green Party is now the best current marker of the left in party politics and had a slight showing in some places this election, but that's it.

The influx into the GOP this election by xenophobes is what is turning everything topsy-turvy, along with the fact that the Democratic nominee for president, Hillary Clinton espoused neo-conservative aggressive interventionist military policies.

Everything is slipping and shifting at the moment. KKK membership is rising and the number of KKK groups in the US doubled last year. KKK = Klu Klux Klan, a notorious white supremacist terrorist group that had until recently waned into the background. Now they are enjoying association with their own candidate in Trump.

According to Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center (the nation's strongest hate group watchdog), there has been an increase in hate-based attacks. Even real estate agents have been warning mixed couples or those with adopted children of color to be careful where they move because of KKK activity and recruitment heating up lately:

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posted November 13, 2016 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusincap89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon Mcafee, I take it back you are not a smart man and the fact that you have not gone to university really shows. As you heavily rely on infos you are aware of, while completely dismissing valid counter arguments

Also, I think you are a prime example of how quantity does not equate to quality and that age has nothing to do with maturity

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posted November 13, 2016 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are the four current US parties with their respective candidates names laid out on the political grid by politicalcompass.org.
(Green=green, Red=Republican, Blue=Democrat, Yellow=Libertarian)

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posted November 13, 2016 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your efforts to explain this (and how the terms are used in the United States which are unique to us) to our friends across the pond, Kannon. I find I just don't have the energy for it anymore, but it is appreciated.

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posted November 13, 2016 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It might be of interest to those of you outside our borders what I heard from relatives that many who voted for Trump were actually voting for Pence. This was generally based on Puritan reasons (who are opposed to gambling, porn, most forms of sex, etc, which they consider Trump to represent, but not Pence), and don't consider Trump a true Christian. Had Trump had a clone for VP he'd have lost many votes. As described here, some Trump-like comments and history lost one man in Texas the race against a female Democrat who made a lot of noise about being a feminist. This wasn't so much that people changed their vote to the competition as much as they stayed home rather than vote. If that happened to Trump in most to all of the Bible Belt states as it did to Williams in TX back then, then it could've cost Trump the election as well.

But Trump chose Pence as his VP running mate, and this is what motivated many Puritan-minded folk who could not bring themselves to vote for a man like Trump to vote for him anyway. Pence doesn't just talk the talk to get the fundie vote, he's seen as a sincere and true believer, and that drew in votes Trump otherwise would not have had from those who were criticizing of much of Trump's past and behavior in a rural region dominated by fundamentalist churches (though a rabid hatred of Hillary also played a part). It would not surprise me if they thought Pence would turn Trump into a good Christian like them, or that God would strike Trump dead and leave Pence in charge.

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posted November 13, 2016 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Waterboarding is not torture. Waterboarding causes NO injuries, inflicts NO pain.

Is this your definition of torture? Do you consider simulated drowning painless?

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posted November 13, 2016 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Donald Trump’s Financial Advisory Team Stocked With Wall Streeters. Still think Trump is anti-establishment?

I'm reserving judgment a little longer when all his key positions are filled and we see what he actually does.

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posted November 13, 2016 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump is going to be the next President of the United States. No amount of wheezing, whining, screeching, howling and shrieking is going to change that. Nor are the antics of paid thug protesters who break store windows, start fires, damage police cars, throw rock and bricks at police and in general make total as ses out of themselves, going to change that fact. Nor are the poor little whiners at universities who hold cry-ins, demand "safe places" where no opposing opinions are heard or permitted and generally show America what a generation of total losers they're going to be, alter the facts on the ground.

In fact, if these as sclowns knew how their infantile antics are viewed by the majority of Americans, they'd knock off the nonsense. They're solidifying opinion in this country and it's not in their favor. They're actually helping Trump. There's up to 100 million Americans who didn't vote. If they had it to do over again, probably 70% would vote for Trump after getting an eyeful of these little leftist nincompoops parading, rioting and attending cry-ins for Hillary The Corrupt. If you think this election was bad, very bad for democrats, and it was a disaster for democrats, wait and see what happens to democrats in the 2018 midterm elections.

For some of you, your only option for happiness in the 8 years of the Trump Administration, is emigration out of what you consider this den of iniquity we call the United States. We won't lift a finger to prevent you from leaving. In fact, that would open some slots for the millions, some of whom have waited in line for years to come to the United States legally. But make no mistake; we're not changing America to suit the delusional fantasies of a bunch of whining crybabies.

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WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.

“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”

While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.

Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”

Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

•creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
•satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
•augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
•rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”

***Leftists are living up to all of Dr. Rossiter's expectations, mine too!***

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