posted January 15, 2017 12:12 PM            

Donald Trump being the focus now, I will start with this article today, about his non-verbal message
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/15/the-seven-faces-of-donald-trump-a-psychologists-view

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posted January 15, 2017 12:37 PM            

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posted January 15, 2017 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I scrolled through it. I believe in the validity of facial analysis after reading Malcolm Gladwell's book Blink. I just cannot stand to look at Trump that much...

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posted January 15, 2017 11:52 PM            

Well anyone who clicks that article will see the expressions I'm referring to.

posted January 16, 2017 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You might want to develop a tolerance. He's going to be around for 8 years.

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Like you tolerated Obama?

posted January 16, 2017 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Randall was accusing me of "taking down" Trump on the basis of his looks.

Well anyone who clicks that article will see the expressions I'm referring to.

Anyone would be hard to look at, making some of those faces.

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posted January 16, 2017 06:53 AM            

you have an unusual case of lack of non-aggressive facial postures. Now, we have two camps at this point, one feels or sees might or even familiarity in those expressions, while the others perceive them (and him) as very menacing. I think this is what Faith meant. There is an explanation for both reactions, and this is what we are trying to understand here.

New article today, I'll leave it here for reading and then get back on both of them:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/

EDIT: June 2016 issue

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posted January 16, 2017 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I see the expressions of a real person. Genuine. Sincere. A man who cares about his country. A great leader. A good father. That's what I see.

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Originally posted by Randall:
Hillary's fake smile and maniacal laugh creeped me out.

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posted January 16, 2017 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I see the expressions of a real person. Genuine. Sincere. A man who cares about his country. A great leader. A good father. That's what I see. Hillary's fake smile and maniacal laugh creeped me out.

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posted January 16, 2017 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Is there a reason you quoted, but didn't respond? I'm sure she wouldn't mind repeating it again (if you were concerned about deletions).

I can't stand to look at him, either. I couldn't stand to LISTEN to him, at the end of July/beginning of August 2015.

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Do his facial expressions suggest something to you, Teasel?

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posted January 16, 2017 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
I see no sincerity in his facial expressions. Even when he smiles, he still looks like a clown giving a show.

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Thank you for sharing, Tulipe. So you see him as histrionic?

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posted January 16, 2017 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I see the expressions of a real person. Genuine. Sincere. A man who cares about his country. A great leader. A good father. That's what I see. Hillary's fake smile and maniacal laugh creeped me out.

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Thank you for sharing, Randall. I tried hard to find some unbiased Hillary vs Donald body language analysis, I'll keep trying, there are some ideas here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-and-hillary-body-language-according-to-joe-navarro-2016-10
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/09/25/body-language-trump-clinton-debate/91078036/
http://www.bodylanguagesuccess.com/2016/09/nonverbal-communication-analysis-no_27.html

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posted January 16, 2017 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:

I have seen Trump look genuine and I have read about his genuine acts of kindness that show that he's a good person.

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Thank you for taking the time to share images of DT that inspire you, Ethereal. The first one is called the zipped smile, it's a form of "tight smile", as body language term, the author in the first article offers a possible analysis for it in DT's case. And the second one is the "big smile", it shows moments when DT feels unchallenged or relaxed enough to be charming.

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posted January 17, 2017 12:48 PM            

I'll try to come back and read the links later, so I apologize if the articles answer my questions:

I've been fascinated for years by the differences in how differently "liberals" and "conservatives" think. I've not done enough reading on the subject, and have not studied it lately, so I'm going from memory but if I remember correctly there is some research that suggests it is at least partly neurologically based?

So I wonder if there isn't some ingrained response to not only visual but auditory cues? I have never been able to tolerate listening to the guy for more than a couple of minutes. And this goes back years and years to when I had no clue about his politics or that he ever intended to run for President.

The condescending, nasty tone of his voice drives me up the wall. Probably more so than the nearly constant smirk on his face which he alternatives with an aggressive, hateful look. I've never seen him truly smile or laugh (and I've heard others who know him in person and are conservatives or moderates say the same thing).

I'm sure there are more objective words than condescending, hateful etc. to describe the auditory and visual ways he presents himself, but that is how I interpret them. When I stop and force myself to listen/watch, I actually tremble a bit and start to get nauseous. Again, I don't think that has anything to do with his politics, as its a visceral reaction I've always had to him.

posted January 17, 2017 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randall:
[b]I see the expressions of a real person. Genuine. Sincere. A man who cares about his country. A great leader. A good father. That's what I see. Hillary's fake smile and maniacal laugh creeped me out.

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posted January 18, 2017 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
LeeLoo,

I'll try to come back and read the links later, so I apologize if the articles answer my questions:

I've been fascinated for years by the differences in how differently "liberals" and "conservatives" think. I've not done enough reading on the subject, and have not studied it lately, so I'm going from memory but if I remember correctly there is some research that suggests it is at least partly neurologically based?

So I wonder if there isn't some ingrained response to not only visual but auditory cues? I have never been able to tolerate listening to the guy for more than a couple of minutes. And this goes back years and years to when I had no clue about his politics or that he ever intended to run for President.

The condescending, nasty tone of his voice drives me up the wall. Probably more so than the nearly constant smirk on his face which he alternatives with an aggressive, hateful look. I've never seen him truly smile or laugh (and I've heard others who know him in person and are conservatives or moderates say the same thing).

I'm sure there are more objective words than condescending, hateful etc. to describe the auditory and visual ways he presents himself, but that is how I interpret them. When I stop and force myself to listen/watch, I actually tremble a bit and start to get nauseous. Again, I don't think that has anything to do with his politics, as its a visceral reaction I've always had to him.

I think the sound of his voice is more difficult for me to tolerate than the looks on his face, which is not a surprise since I've taken tests which indicate I rely more on auditory than visual cues.

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Hi Delilah, thank you very much for sharing yes it seems we are all conditioned to decode facial expressions since early years. The same goes with the tone of voice, part of the people who were exposed during their early years to aggressive authoritarian voices/faces will reject them, while another part will embrace them as familiar, normal, reassuring. It's one of our greatest challenges in life, to overcome and integrate our upbringing. I wrote something about it in an older thread here:

"There has always been an appeal and charisma of dictators for a certain percentage of the population, and blinding even brilliant minds such as Leni Riefenstahl's, I think the reaction to authoritarianism depends a lot on our psychological structure and also what we were exposed to during childhood, parental models, for example some people mistake loud, rude, crude, cheeky characters for power and strength. "

I think the main mechanism behind following an authoritarian autocratic personality is a form of Stockholm syndrome. The Stockholm syndrome itself is a form of adaptation to a hostile authority, for purposes of survival, by submitting to and befriending the authority. As a mechanism of coping with trauma and as the main effort to survive, the mind "imagines" that the rapport based on force can be substituted by a rapport based on love (all happens unconsciously, instinctively). In simpler words, the mind of the victim "imagines" that the hostile authority can and will love them, that they will be neutralized by their love for the victim. In order for this mental construct to become possible, the victim creates a transfer and encourages this love in their own mind, thus "falling in love" with the perpetrator, while this originally starts as a hope that the authority will "love" them and spare them.
The love on this level however is a form of submission.
A similar mechanism happens for some when faced with a predatory authoritarian personality who tends to take the others as "psychological hostages" (authoritarians have a besieging personality). Fear takes a form of awe that triggers submission and the love that we offer is the ultimate submission. This mechanism is an important part in understanding fascination or succumbing to authoritarian/autocratic models and personalities.

These are all unconscious mechanisms and their theory

There was a discussion at some point about Trump not laughing, and the explanation for that, has anyone heard or seen him laugh?
http://www.thenation.com/article/have-you-ever-seen-donald-trump-laugh/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/does-trump-know-how-to-laugh/50187 5/

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