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Topic: Trump Removes Climate Change From Government Website!
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Randall
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posted January 20, 2017 04:10 PM
  
http://conservativetribune.com/trump-takes-office-deleted-1-term/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=ConservativeTribune&utm_content=2017-01-20&utm_campaign=manualpost IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 20, 2017 04:48 PM
What if he's wrong?IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 20, 2017 05:23 PM
Save the planet  IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 20, 2017 06:18 PM
What if he's right? These measures are largely "symbolic" and won't lower global temps but by a fraction of a degree by the alarmists' own admissions. Translation: A waste of money. The climate has always been changing. It has been changing before humans existed. We are coming out of a little ice age, so yeah, the Earth is going to warm. The planet has been a lot hotter before humans existed. And CO2 is at higher levels now than ever in human recorded history, yet where is the corresponding rise in temps? The alarmists' computer models have failed. Why should we believe anything they say? New York isn't under water. The planet isn't scorched. There are ways humans hurt the environment, but climate change ain't one if them. The biggest driver of climate is a gas, but it's not CO2. It's hydrogen (the sun). The largest greenhouse gas is water vapor. But they can't control that. So, these hucksters latched on to CO2. CO2 is only 2 percent of the total greenhouse gasses. And humanity's contribution to that 2 percent is a tiny fraction. Most of it natural. As it increases, so does the plant life the planet is teeming with. The alternative is a cold, dead rock. Don't fall for the false narrative that 97 percent of scientists believe humans cause climate change. And don't be duped by Gore's lies. The arctic ice has increased significantly. The UN has admitted that their agenda is to use climate change redistribute wealth. It's political. Science doesn't use terms like "consensus." It's a religion.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 20, 2017 06:24 PM
I see the problems with Climate Change ideology.I just think science doesn't know which way is up, on the matter. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 20, 2017 06:39 PM
If you think the science behind vaccinations is bad...climate "science" isn't science at all. They had to change it from global warning to climate change, because there was no warming for two decades, despite CO2 more than doubling. But when "heretics" who are scientists want open dialogue, they are vehemently attacked. Science is about questioning and revising. The alarmists reject those fundamental principles of science.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 20, 2017 07:16 PM
It's different from vaccinations. I'm not enough of a scientist to study Climate Change computer models and check on the experts, and decide which side of the fence is more credible. But the medical industry's agenda and problems are more immediately known. Children get their immunizations and become ill, and the parents are systematically ignored. There is video evidence of this happening in a short time span. There is no video evidence that I know of, of the polar ice caps changing over time. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 20, 2017 07:23 PM
Anyway, obviously the planet is suffering from pollution.
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Randall
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posted January 20, 2017 07:41 PM
The scientific community would strongly disagree with you about vaccines. If people choose not to vaccinate, they are demonized as bad parents. In CA, you can no longer attend public schools without all of those shots. Yes, pollution is a pressing problem, but CO2 isn't pollution. We exhale, plants grow, and we breathe the oxygen they release as a waste. But pollution is a big concern. For example, we have forever harmed the oceans with contamination from marine battery dumping. As for the models, we don't need to know how they work. All we need to know is that they were grossly wrong. And there is plenty of evidence of the increase of ice in the arctic tundra, cyclical changes notwithstanding.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 20, 2017 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
As for the models, we don't need to know how they work. All we need to know is that they were grossly wrong.
Were? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 20, 2017 10:40 PM
We should be sizzling with the CO2 levels we have. So, why believe their models now? But at least they are more moderate in their predictions.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 20, 2017 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
We should be sizzling with the CO2 levels we have. So, why believe their models now? But at least they are more moderate in their predictions.
Huh? "Sizzling"? Whoever predicted that? quote:
The carbon dioxide we’ve already committed to the atmosphere has warmed the world about 1.8°F since the start of the industrial revolution. This year, in addition to marking the start of our new 400 ppm world, is also set to be the hottest year on record. The planet has edged right up against the 1.5°C (2.7°F) warming threshold, a key metric in last year’s Paris climate agreement.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/world-passes-400-ppm-threshold-permanently-20738 My argument is, I don't know how those figures are determined, and what happens next. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 20, 2017 10:59 PM
Anyway I see that the White House also removed their pages on Civil Rights & LBGT rights, immediately. I didn't see the original pages and don't know what was objectionable. (?) But this makes me nervous.
http://people.com/politics/trump-white-house-website-lgbt-climate-change-civil-rig hts-pages/ IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 20, 2017 11:02 PM
Sizzling is my word, not theirs. CO2 was supposed to correspond with warming, and the CO2 levels have gone through the roof. Where is the warming? The catastrophe did not manifest.I never saw the original pages either, but since nothing was put up in its place, my guess is Trump didn't like the way it was written and is redoing it? IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 20, 2017 11:21 PM
It stokes people's fears that he wants to remove their rights.But granted, maybe many other pages came down as well, and it's not being reported. --- What I'm saying is, it appears that climate change scientists are talking about such a small increase in temperature (not "sizzling") that we cannot just experience it (the way parents of vaccine-damaged children experience it.) It's outside of our experience, it's computers and their models, versus other computers and their models, arguing over whether the average temperate has moved one degree or not.  That's how it looks to me. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 20, 2017 11:53 PM
That's also my point. That slight of an increase, while more reasonable, is simply miniscule to spend billions on. Recently they were saying 7/10 of a degree in 20 years. Really? And keep in mind that water vapor is the main greenhouse gas, which we have no control over, while CO2 makes up only 2 percent, with man's contribution being a fraction of that. Obama's power plant EPA regulations would have had a net zero effect on temps, yet this would have cost billions and would have significantly raised power bills on the people least able to afford them--all for a reason the head of the EPA only called "symbolic."I do suspect that many pages were taken down for reworking, and I propose that Obama and other presidents did the same. Congress moves very slowly, but Trump is a fast man of action, which Washington is not used to, but let's wait and see. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 21, 2017 12:12 AM
Well the difference between water not freezing and freezing is only one degree, also. So nature decided there's a fine line to walk. Something has to be done about pollution; but the EPA is a joke as I said before, and any conversation that's centered on climate change is bound to be a case of splitting hairs. So while people are distracted with this "issue" it seems other parameters of earth-destruction are being ignored, such as: possible extinction of so many animals in our lifetime; sound pollution from cargo ships killing off marine life; waterways all contaminated so it's not really safe to eat fish caught in the US mainland anymore...  All THAT got wrecked since the Industrial Revolution, so, why not the climate, too? Sounds believable on the surface. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 21, 2017 01:08 AM
Water also boils at a certain temp, and it will under the same circumstances anywhere in the universe. That's science. But the temp threshold at which water freezes isn't at issue, since we see snow all the time, and boiling really isn't an issue unless we are a degree from boiling, and then it can be paramount.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 21, 2017 01:46 AM
We've been duped! 
http://www.snopes.com/white-house-web-site-trump-changes/ It was still nice having this conversation with you. Cheers! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 21, 2017 01:48 AM
I'll need to validate with more fervor in the future. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted January 21, 2017 08:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
I'll need to validate with more fervor in the future.
The old false news is no news ...If it fits our ideology, we fall for it 
BTW, hope you had a great birthday!
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Faith
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posted January 21, 2017 10:48 AM
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But the temp threshold at which water freezes isn't at issue
Isn't the whole concern centered on the need to keep the polar ice caps intact?  Yes, nice conversation, thanks for keeping it polite.  @Juni Hi there! I want to tell you what just happened a minute ago. My little son stood on the sofa and struck a pose like the Statue of Liberty. I laughed and said, "Are you the Statue of Liberty?" and he said, "I'm the SAM of Liberty." Then he got his stuffed toy hamster and rested it on his fist, to serve as the light of the torch. Serious face. heheheh Hope everyone has a nice weekend.  IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 21, 2017 02:42 PM
The arctic sea ice has been diminishing and growing long before humans existed. Like much else with the Earth, it's cyclical. The flawed models predicted an iceless arctic by 2015, but guess what happened? It increased by a third! And all the while CO2 reached record levels.  Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.  Oh, and the polar bears are safe and doing just fine.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 21, 2017 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
The arctic sea ice has been diminishing and growing long before humans existed.
How does anyone know? Computer models?  Scientists in the most advanced and prestigious positions can't agree about what's happening, so how can other people? And while I understand skepticism or rebellion towards laws predicated on "The Truth of Climate Change" (which is "hotly" contested), I just don't know how anyone can ever rule out the consequences of drastic human interference in the atmosphere. Something's gotta give, we can't just keep smogging up the air more and more all the time, without interrupting the flow of nature. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 21, 2017 04:05 PM
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ IP: Logged |
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