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Delilah423
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posted January 29, 2017 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

...The reason they need anarchy is because this is the only way to overthrow a democracy. It works in several steps, first you need to discredit the press, polarize people into two factions, create anarchy in the streets, so that you can call for FBI/police intervention, and ultimately military intervention then dissolve Parliament, other governing organisms, under the pretext that order needs to be established with a new organism, or that only one man can re-establish order (martial law). It's an interesting situation here, since the Republicans are in majority, so it will be interesting how they, along with the Democrats, will react. It has happened countless times around the world, not in the US though. Glad to see US democracy is internalized and civil society is so reactive, I expected that.

I'm sure it won't get that far, don't worry, but I have no doubt at this point that this is the intention...



Yes, there are some writers speculating that Steve Bannon deliberately overruled the Department of Homeland Security attorneys on Friday (who told the White House it would not be legal) to insist that the order about refugees/immigrants be applied to green card holders (permanent legal residents) in order to provoke demonstrations, etc.

Then just now, when two Republican Senators (there have been more) expressed their concerns about the immigration order, the Orange Overlord tweeted that they were trying to start World War III.

A few days ago he tweeted about "sending in the feds" to Chicago. Otherwise smart people were thinking he meant assistance programs, the FBI, etc. I'm reasonably certain he meant soldiers/National Guard.

It is frightening to me that he got an exemption from Congress to allow a retired General to be in charge of the Defense Department - we have a long history of civilian control of the military. Even several Democrats voted for it, because they respect the particular General. I hope the vote doesn't eventually backfire.

I sometimes wish we had a parliamentary system, but there is no way to "dissolve" Congress (at least not legally), so that should be a good thing in this case.

We also have a long history of settling battles in court (most of the time), so I'm hopeful those things will hold. So far, it does appear green card holders are being released from detention in compliance with court orders.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted January 29, 2017 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, gosh, he really did say that just now hahaha one thing that took me a little by surprise with Trump was the incredible speed, but I guess it makes sense, in the whole scenario.
Indeed. And Bannon would also be more literate than Trump on the matter, he looks like he actually read Das Kapital and Mein Kampf and co., so he is bringing some world knowledge at the table ugh and instructing Trump.
Yes, luckily, American legal structures and the Congress are strong. Mattis will be an interesting player in the equation, he looks like he can stand up to Trump.

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posted January 29, 2017 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Uranus-SN in Cancer
Unwilling to attain structural NN?

I do wonder if the dispositor of his SN is conjunct Leo Pluto.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon

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posted January 29, 2017 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://people.com/politics/iranian-phd-grad-banned-entering-us/

This is scary.

But in some ways it reminds me of things we have gone through before. The Do Not Fly list and how political activists were put on that. Gag Orders. Paramilitary forces. All the other police state cr*p that has been going on. I just wonder if the media is reporting it more openly now.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted January 29, 2017 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's interesting he has two peregrinations (unless the Moon is in Virgo), which makes him out of the ordinary, Sun (Pluto disp) and Saturn (NN ruler). Uranus conj SN would definitely fit with anarchist tendencies as the first tendency in dealing with life challenges/opposition, among other meanings.

It also appears as if Uranus sq his Mars.Neptune mdp and Neptune the main force pushing him towards NN, with Neptune sq the nodal axis, hm I wonder what that means in his case, nothing in Pisces. He looks like someone who has Moon on ASC (lunar face) or Moon in the 1st house and also has a leonine vibe, so I wonder if his ASC is not in Leo. I would bet on a Leo Moon myself, and Pluto conj ASC. And of course, Pluto ( and maybe Moon ASC, in which case ) conj Trump Mars/ASC, olala. And I have to say with a Moon there, well no other better combo for manipulation than Moon/Pluto conj someone's ASC, for the Moon feels the ASC and with Pluto can exercise major suggestion. Pluto ASC alone would also have this power. We need to put them together in Astrology and see what they're up to

EDIT: If he has a Leo Moon, he can't have a Leo ASC, so it's one or the other. He doesn't strike me as a Virgo Moon, so his ASC is probably different. We need to stick to a possible Moon/Pluto conj Trump's ASC and a definite Pluto conj Trump's ASC.

Mars in Libra, the Strategist, but with sq Uranus, adventurous, could be erratic, rebellious, risky, impulsive, especially Cardinal, martial and reckless, which is consistent with his history of violence, and even the last comments with the press that needs to "shut up".
Venus/Merc also connect to Uranus.


I read about Nazanin too, Faith, I was very moved

EDIT: Uranus conj Mars/Neptune

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Uranus: To be suddenly inspired to act intuitively. One has a gift for picking up on subtle energies and the conflicts they may be creating, and then finding ways of liberating oneself from them. To be able to help others in unique or unsuspected ways."

Sandbach

This looks like the chart of an Adventurer, with much Scorpio energy (some fixations?) and strong outers (ambition, but also connected to large events or being led by them) and Sun Saturn acting in unpredictable ways.

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Randall
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posted January 29, 2017 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's far left Soros who wants to destroy the country. He funds violence to that end.

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posted January 29, 2017 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm sure it won't get that far, don't worry, but I have no doubt at this point that this is the intention.

I think the very same. And it won`t go that far, among many reasons, because enough baby boomers are alive to remember what freedom is and how it`s achieved.

It is not through an oligarchy or dictatorship.

Trumps supporters may slowly wake up because I believe they are wiser than they appear.

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