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Topic: Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 9380 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 27, 2017 05:01 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-interest/ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 74890 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 27, 2017 05:44 PM
More nonsense from the left. It doesn't matter where Trump did business. The key is which nations support terrorism. The two are mutually exclusive. These nations that without question support terrorism are: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen.IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 9380 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 27, 2017 05:47 PM
I thought those responsible for 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 74890 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 27, 2017 07:33 PM
They were, but Saudi isn't a sponsor of terror, just like we've had American citizens commit terror acts, but we don't sponsor terror (Obama's payment to Iran notwithstanding).IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18800 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted January 27, 2017 09:45 PM
This is a very dark day. On Holocaust Remembrance Day, Trump starts the persecution of an entire, even more wide-spread religion and empowers ISIS by giving them the war on Muslims they've been waiting for to recruit. Trump endangers his own people like no one before, and many people in the conflict areas and around the world.And yes, he excluded the Muslim countries where he has hotels and business in his "Muslim ban", right in your face. Is this constitutional in the US, to persecute a religion and favor another? I won't even mention, as a baptized Christian myself, that this goes against the message and sacrifice of Christ. I know this can't last, but I am just very sad today Stay strong! ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... LeeLoo's Esotericorner IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 74890 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 27, 2017 09:57 PM
The first order of the POTUS is to protect Americans. ISIS has already said they will use immigration to enter this country. It has nothing to do with religion. Where Obama gave $150 billion to sponsor terrorism and paid cash ransom to further cause the kidnapping of more Americans, Trump is doing quite the opposite. What's wrong with keeping America safe?IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21436 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 28, 2017 11:14 AM
nvm IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 74890 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2017 12:07 PM
Trump's Executive Orders are well within the bounds of the law and the Constitution. He hasn't exceeded any limits. He also plans on providing safe zones for refugees--just not in our country.IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21436 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 28, 2017 01:11 PM
It's not the number of Orders but the nature of them. http://theintercept.com/2017/01/26/executive-orders-are-normal-trumps-are-only-appalling-because-of-what-they-say/ IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 9380 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2017 05:48 PM
People with green cards, are affected by this! I have a friend from Iran, who has lived and worked here for years. I'm now worried about him. I'm hoping he'll be okay, as long as he doesn't leave the country during this time, but others are being turned away, just because they were out of the country for a while! My friend is as far from a terrorist that you can get - he's sweet and kind, and loves people here. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 74890 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2017 06:47 PM
Obama did the same thing in regards to Iraq.IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 9380 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2017 11:24 PM
They have temporarily blocked the deportation of people stranded in airports. IP: Logged |
kewf1988 Knowflake Posts: 83 From: Registered: Dec 2015
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posted January 29, 2017 01:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: More nonsense from the left. It doesn't matter where Trump did business. The key is which nations support terrorism. The two are mutually exclusive. These nations that without question support terrorism are: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen.
But it IS a conflict of interest. If this keeps up, the Dems may get congress back in 2018, which would mean Trump could get impeached, and Pence would be president (or Paul Ryan, a known globalist, if Pence gets impeached too). If you don't have a favorable approval rating with independents, the people who vote on ISSUES, you likely won't get elected again, as the people who vote for the other ideology will be against you as well. That's why Clinton was such a successful president... he had a high approval rating with his own party, as well as the independents, because he compromised on certain issues and catered to the middle class rather than the extremists. Bush had a high approval rating throughout his first term, but a low approval rating throughout his second term, when he tried to privatize Social Security and didn't respond quickly to Katrina. Those two things as well as the recession and the Iraq War losing popularity led to Obama getting the presidency. You DON'T want extremism if you want Trump to have a 2nd term, much less finish his first. The independents are what matters, not the voters who only vote for their own party, as you'll have them no matter what. Republican elitism (like anybody who isn't laissez faire economically is a "commie" or anybody who is pro choice is a "baby killer", or anybody who's pro Muslim "hates Christianity") rather than helping the working class will be just as costly as the Dems' elitism (like labeling people who don't support Black Lives Matter as "racist"), and knowing that both parties are in it solely for the globalist agenda is probably what will kick start the events around the US Pluto return (the Illuminati also has Pluto at 28 degrees Capricorn, so they'll have their Pluto return too), which will give birth to the Aquarian Age and the end of the Kali Yuga. It's evident that the current system is collapsing and more and more people know that the big name politicians aren't on our side (I doubt all the federal politicians are involved in the agenda, just the big names like Trump, the Clintons and Bushes, Obama, Ryan, McConnell, etc.). IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 74890 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2017 02:26 AM
Trump campaigned on Syria. These are the problem countries. As long as his base is happy, he's fine. The other Republicans will fall in line. The way the Dems have been acting will hurt them in 2018. He should modify the order not to include those who already hold Visas.IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 5053 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2017 03:23 AM
This could have been done with better planning and grace. One million Yemen children could die from malnutrition, this is not a country that supports terror but is suffering terror attacks from Saudi Bombing using bombs procured from USA. Trump should have targeted Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait's anachronism and support for ISIS instead of just targeting 5 very weak and poor countries. In Syria, the tormented Yezidis need supprt through immigration. Iran is fair game, they can deal with this ban, in fact no self-respecting Iranian will ever want to go to the USA as long as Trump is President and I am sure Iranian Americans will plan on moving back to a more enlightened and liberal Iran in the years to come. Not a single terror attack on US Soil has been committed by citizens of the banned countries. All "Wahabbite" terror brains come from Saudi or Egypt. Trump should focus more on the economy than waste goodwill by going after this very low hanging fruit. I am hoping he will at least allow those with valid visas to enter for now and create a more rational vetting process in preventing immigrants with criminal records from entering USA. IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 2495 From: France Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2017 04:51 AM
This politics for the polls, Trump is catching up quickly on old school politics. He takes a decision whose purpose is only to please his electorate, no vision here. Why to ban 3 months and not more ? If it was to know more about those countries, it shows it unpreparation, he should have worked the file before to get elected and be able now to decide wether these countries should be banned for years and decades. He's a populist and want to please the people who voted him in. Voters of Trump like Randall can say everything to defend him, but not that he is a wise politician and a world class leader for a world class country, he his a mere voice fir little america. Randall, are you the only supporter of him ? It seems I have a question, is it possible to go in a Trump rally or bar and say that you are gay, or muslim ? If not, then this america isn't going to lead the world with soft power. Will only be left economic power, and worse military. Sad for those who like the US IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 5053 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2017 05:00 AM
To be fair to Randall, he has been supporting Trump more because Trump is "Anti-Elite Establishment" and will disrupt the shadow government/arms cartels that create fake wars. Trump himself was a Democrat for years.Have noticed so many in the "Conspiracy Community" support Trump for this sole reason, including enlightened researchers like David Wilcock. I can guarantee that if Trump passes an executive order that criminalizes LGBTs, Randall will be one of the first to fight that order in Court. @Pire: I agree with you that Trump has taken the populist route for now but these days it is a winning election strategy worldwide. India is suffering Narendra Modi for the past three years, right wing goons and bigots are disrupting every institution in India. They beat up anyone who disagrees, and no police action follows because the top cops are part of the Right Wing Cults. I am sure USA will not go down that rabbit hole. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 9380 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2017 06:58 AM
He isn't anti-establishment, though. He only kept running on that, because of his ego - he needed to beat them. He's surrounding himself with the establishment. Sometimes I think they're playing him, and just waiting for him to screw up, so that they can replace him with Pence. IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 2495 From: France Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2017 07:19 AM
Still wondering, is it possible to go in a Trump rally or bar and say that you are gay, or muslim ? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18800 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted January 29, 2017 07:26 AM
The idea that he is anti-establishment + wants to save America is the most ridiculous and also intriguing in the repertoire of many good people who support Trump. It's utter nonsense, totally inconsistent with his personality and biography. A quick study of his biography shows he started as a spoiled bully in childhood and has been every since. Being a bully doesn't make one a fighter for collective causes, on the contrary. This is a personal phantasme projected onto him. As I said, some people mistake self-centered misguided aggression for power and might, out of personal reasons. Causing destabilization to seize absolute power is a must for any totalitarian. Pire, I don't know, perhaps those who go to those rally can tell us Maybe IQ frequented them and knows there is no danger. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... LeeLoo's Esotericorner IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 74890 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2017 10:07 AM
Trump supports the rights of everyone. He is anti-establishment. His cabinet was chosen for dismantling from the inside. The ban is temporary, so a better vetting process can be put in place.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 31093 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 29, 2017 10:20 AM
Teasel, I`ve been thinking that myself. It`s like he is being built up for the fall. I find it interesting and baffling however how People actually do believe he is NOT part of the Establishment. It simply.... baffles me. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 74890 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2017 10:31 AM
The Constitution is not a treaty with the world. The Constitution applies to people within the country and to Americans everywhere. The judge was correct. When people arrive here, they are entitled to a hearing. But aliens outside the country are not. He just wants to make sure when we let people into out country we know who they are. That keeps us and our families safe. But people with VISAs are citizens. They should be allowed to come and go as they please. I would have added Pakistan. We don't have relationships with the security forces in those 7 countries. We have no way of knowing who they are. Trump is not being set up for anything. The Republicans want to support Trump. It's the left flexing their tiny muscles that's causing friction. You still think Trump is part of the establishment? He pulled us out of the TPP. The establishment spent hundreds of millions to set that up. IP: Logged |
Delilah423 Knowflake Posts: 672 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 29, 2017 04:17 PM
Randall is right on one thing: Trump is "antiestablishment" in the sense that he has appointed Steve Bannon as his top guy (Steve Bannon is the puppetmaster behind the curtain). Steve Bannon has claimed in the past that he wants to destroy the entire establishment, including the U.S. government. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trum p-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html
He's gotten a good start in his first week on the job. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18800 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted January 29, 2017 05:09 PM
I agree with this, Delilah, in fact they're both anarchists, for the same purpose: dictatorship. The actual video is here, min 2 http://video.foxnews.com/v/3179604851001/?#sp=show-clips Just not the reason people think of when they see Trump as "a savior" who has come to overturn the establishment (eradicate corruption, replace it with something for "the people"). No, it's replacing it with a total, most corrupt oligarchy, and the closest model they are moving towards is Russia now. The reason they need anarchy is because this is the only way to overthrow a democracy. It works in several steps, first you need to discredit the press, polarize people into two factions, create anarchy in the streets, so that you can call for FBI/police intervention, and ultimately military intervention then dissolve Parliament, other governing organisms, under the pretext that order needs to be established with a new organism, or that only one man can re-establish order (martial law). It's an interesting situation here, since the Republicans are in majority, so it will be interesting how they, along with the Democrats, will react. It has happened countless times around the world, not in the US though. Glad to see US democracy is internalized and civil society is so reactive, I expected that. I'm sure it won't get that far, don't worry, but I have no doubt at this point that this is the intention. Trump is indeed extremely easy to manipulate. I would expect to be at least 2-3 factions trying to manipulate him, fighting over power behind the scenes. Kushner is there too, I am still working on analyzing him, he is a mysterious figure, there are no interviews with him, videos or otherwise, just a few min. Kushner is definitely a mastermind and likely to clash with Bannon at some point. I think Kushner is the one who wrote the speech and masterminded the campaign, so he must approve of all this somehow, since, as family and husband of his fav daughter, it is likely that has more influence on Trump, even over Bannon. Bannon, like Ryan, Pence, Conway, and many others look like people who would be loyal to Trump as long he is riding the wave, and fleeing when the boat is sinking. In the meantime, while creating and profiting from diversion, I am also sure they are working behind the scenes to expand their control and diminish opposition (restructure power organisms, decrease number of employees, release personnel, eliminate due diligence etc ) to make their power more centralized. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...
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