posted January 30, 2017 10:58 PM            

Also, we have to clarify that Iran does not support terror, they are Shiites. All terrorist activities since 1990s have been carried out by Saudi exported Wahabbite ideology which is inspired from a mad 13th Century terrorist scholar from the Sunni Pantheon of Islam.

Iran does support the Militia called Hezbollah but that is a strategic battle with Israel.

If Iran was evil, 9-11 would have had hijackers from Iran. You will not find even a single Shiite Terrorist involved in any murder against citizens of Europe or USA or Russia or Australia or Asia.

Today, ISIS has been checked thanks to efforts of Iran. Iran has the potential to be America's greatest ally in the future.

The real source of terror are the Dictators of Sunni Arab Countries, who are hand in glove with the US Arms Complex. Look at the genocide in Yemen, the latest act of terror by Arab Dictatorships.

If Trump can dismantle those Arab Dictators and end the Arms Dealers influence in the middle East, then he would be one of the greatest President of all time.

As per Karmic Laws, a Nation cannot ally with an Evil, Genocidal Regime just because they sell Crude to you and buy weapons.

posted January 31, 2017 05:19 AM            

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Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained.

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So it's inconsequential because it's a small number ? You of all people should know this argument failed.

posted January 31, 2017 11:09 AM            

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We have had 18 terrorist acts committed by refugees in America, and that's not including all the ones they arrest before they can complete their plans.

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18?!

The list please

posted January 31, 2017 11:21 AM            

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You totally missed the point. You can easily find the list. The Boston bombers were refugees.

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nope, i didn't.

I just don't get - yeah i might be too stupid for the trumpish mind - why 7 Muslim countries were banned when most of all terrorists don't come from those countries- it doesn't make sense

Yeah, the Boston bombers were from Chenya! I asked you just yesterday, on this thread on page 1, why Chenya has not been listed?

posted January 31, 2017 01:25 PM            

Now, logic applies here,yes?

posted January 31, 2017 02:13 PM            

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I've answered that. Let me answer it one more time for you. We aren't looking at the nationality of a terrorist. These 7 nations were identified as the most dangerous. They are actively involved in the sponsor of terrorism. Why would we ban all people from Chenya due to the actions of two? Am I to presume you want open borders? Ain't gonna happen. Trump's EO is lawful by statute and is Constitutional. During the next 30 days, they are going to create the new vetting process and then give people 60 days to have it implemented.

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okay, let's assume that let's take Iran - a shiite country and both IQ and I have already explained this to you -: let's assume they sponsor terrorism for Sunni terrorists ( ) -> why do innocent people from Iran need to suffer from that?

you said you can't judge Chenyan citizens because of 2 terrorists: right. but why do you handle it the other way around?

you want to keep the terrorists out- this is understanding and every nation has the right to protect its borders - but why citizens from nations who never prodcued terrorits? Why don't you control citizens from nations who have alreay committed terrorism? Wouldn't this make far more sense?

posted January 31, 2017 02:55 PM            

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I've already explained this also. Let me do it one more time. Iran funds terrorism. It is the number one state sponsor of terror. Egypt and Saudi are our allies and are helping us with safe zones. BTW, if you go to Israel and then try to fly to other nations in the region, you are denied. Where's the outrage?

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i do get your point. From the intellectual point of view. It doesn't make sense for me though.

Let's agree that it makes sense for you but i find it senseless

posted January 31, 2017 11:51 PM            

Regardless of whether he had the RIGHT to make this order, or who designated the countries as HighRisk.. it was hideously bungled.

Now he has fired the Acting Attorney General, and appointed sometime to full her place - without confirmation.. So technically he has taken over the DOJ

Meanwhile he has also appointed his zvengali - The self professed Leninist who wants to tear it all down - to the NSC without a by your leave or confirmation.

Do he and Bannon think they can run the country by themselves with the back up of only Generals?

Speak to me of hypocrisy.. you are still moaning about the Marxist Obama.. Bannon has been plotting the destruction of this govt for years.

"Journalists are scum" but one is running the President and he got there by being a journalist who spread malicious shite about other journalists. You get all your info from journalists!

Now McConnell is calling on the Dem senators to be as fair with Trumps Scotus pick as they were with Obama. Is that a cry for help fighting Trump?

posted February 01, 2017 01:56 PM            

Libra is the sign of weighing dilemmas, balancing the scales. Jupiter is magnifying dilemmas.

I am against this ban.

I am not Islamophobic.

However, one thing that does need to be frankly addressed is the fact that Islam can be oppressive towards women, and intolerant of homosexuals.

So, we don't want to be religious bigots who block people on account of their religion. But we don't want to support sexism either.

Trump is sexist, and I don't support him.

Islam has problems with sexism.

Until the misogynist factions of the Muslim world deals with their misogyny they are bound to face a pushback from more advanced societies. Just like, until America deals with its overbearing militarism and meddling in foreign affairs, Americans are likely to face criticism and rejection when we travel abroad.

I don't like talking about this stuff because it's so volatile and easily taken the wrong way. I want peace and acceptance for all, it's just a matter of "How do we get there?" and "What do we have to sacrifice in order to attain that?"

http://www.salon.com/2016/10/29/liberals-blind-faith-the-sil ence-on-the-misogyny-in-the-muslim-world-is-deafening/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2012/10/22/is_islam_misogynistic.html

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/11/for-some-left-wing-men-th e-misogyny-of-the-islamic-state-is-part-of-the-appeal/

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A few weeks ago, just prior to the beginning of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Pakistan’s Council of Islamic Ideology met in Islamabad. The agenda for the meeting was packed, and 19 of the Council’s 20 members were present. The main issue for debate was the question of whether the Protection of Women Against Violence Act of 2015, passed by the Punjab Assembly earlier in the year, could be deemed Islamic. The only member not present was the Council’s sole female member, Dr. Sameeha Raheel Qazi.

When the meeting was over, the Council, under the leadership of its chairman, Maulana Sheerani, issued a press release declaring that a man, under certain circumstances, was permitted to ”lightly beat his wife.” These circumstances include instances of “wifely disobedience”: the Council enumerated the refusal of marital sex, interactions with male strangers, and even refusing to take baths of purity following intercourse or menstruation.

This wife beating declaration was part of a 163-page document that the Council presented as the Islamically permissible version of the Protection of Women Against Violence Act 2015. It deemed the existing bill—already passed by the Assembly in February, which requires increased prosecution of domestic violence offenses (already crimes under Pakistani law) and tougher sentences on assailants—contrary to the principles of Islam.

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posted February 02, 2017 06:09 PM            

Disgusting

posted February 02, 2017 06:55 PM            

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http://people.com/politics/family-o f-six-syrians-sent-back-from-philadelphia-after-ban-they-spent-15-years-planning-this-trip-says-brother/

Disgusting

This shouldn't be happening.

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posted February 03, 2017 12:09 PM            

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Could be info we don't know. But it could also just be that those governments have fallen and have no central command.

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