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Topic: Trump Fires Comey!
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Randall
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posted May 17, 2017 01:20 PM
  
No, that isn't cause for impeachment. The FBI director serves at the pleasure of the POTUS and can be fired for any reason or no reason at all. There is no good time to do it, but it doesn't affect the investigation at all. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted May 17, 2017 03:54 PM
Attempting to obstruct justice by trying to influence his investigation is not about whether he can fire him or not. "For any reason" does not include "because he didnt do what I want".Early days on this particular aspect but i would think intimidation of Comey re 'leaks" that hadnt happened is also tampering with the course of justice. The President is not above the law.
If Coney were going to be fired, jwhop is right, it should have been done immediately and not only when he started to look like a threat to Trump..
The fact that DT jumped the gun completely when Comey was investigating his associates not himself just looks like guilty conscience trying to forestall discovery of misbehaviour He and his big mouth are his own worst enemy IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 17, 2017 04:18 PM
Wrong again. Obstruction of justice is narrowly defined.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 17, 2017 04:58 PM
If Hillary had won and fired him, Dems would have thrown a parade in every major city. Comey was no threat. The so-called investigation continued.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted May 17, 2017 06:29 PM
That is neither here nor there. Its DT in the kitchen complaining about the heat. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted May 17, 2017 06:31 PM
K then
Define it.IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted May 17, 2017 07:00 PM
The point is, Trump needed him gone for personal reasons not to make america great again. ------------------
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Catalina
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posted May 17, 2017 07:08 PM
Intimidation is defined as obstruction oid justice. I guess it could be argued that, sinceComey has his notes and was not successfully intimidated, the intimidation was null and void. Whether that argument would hold up in the light of DT's attempts to attack and undermine Comey Im not sure.Depends on who has the smartest lawyer i guess. But seeing as Comey himself pointed out that the Prez was entitled to fire him at will it looks very suspicious that DT went on the attack. Like swearing you didn't steal something before anyone's noticed it missing. About intimidation... http://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter268/Section13B IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 17, 2017 07:27 PM
Unfortunately, that is from the state law of Mass.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted May 17, 2017 08:16 PM
You think it's that different elsewhere ? Maybe maybe not.Still waiting for your actual input IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 17, 2017 08:25 PM
I'm sure you can find it if you try. Think federal.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 17, 2017 08:38 PM
You are the one challenging me. Youre the law student. Show ne where intimidation ous not defined as obstruction and what the "narrow definition" of obstruction is. Evidence IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 17, 2017 08:54 PM
Try to keep up. The narrative is that President Trump asked Comey to go easy on Flynn. Who said anything about imtimidation?IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted May 17, 2017 09:02 PM
I did. Comey better hope Trump didn't secretly tape him before he "leaks".. intimidation before the fact even. Accusing people of sedition Im working now .. later IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted May 17, 2017 09:21 PM
18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)US Code
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§ 1505.
Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
Whoever, with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance, in whole or in part, with any civil investigative demand duly and properly made under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, willfully withholds, misrepresents, removes from any place, conceals, covers up, destroys, mutilates, alters, or by other means falsifies any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony, which is the subject of such demand; or attempts to do so or solicits another to do so; or Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress— Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1505 ------------------
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Randall
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posted May 17, 2017 11:13 PM
Section 1503 would also be pertinent, since a grand jury has been convened regarding Flynn. If only it weren't just a fantasy in the Dems' minds.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted May 18, 2017 01:48 AM
The narrative is that DT said he hoped Comey would let it go, let Flynn go. That is attempting to influence the case which does seem to come under obstruction. And threatening secret tapes if Comey "leaked" anything - before Comey did any such thing - could also be seen as intimidation. This is far from a fantasy in Dems minds Randall. While it may be circumstantial it deserves attendion. Trump's opinion honest or not that this is a hoax is irrelevant and could also be seen as attempting to influence investigators.
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teasel
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posted May 18, 2017 08:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Always a "source." Correction: It was 94 to 6.
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Randall
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posted May 18, 2017 08:49 AM
Trump was not a member of the media.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted May 18, 2017 08:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Trump was not a member of the media.
So? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 18, 2017 08:54 AM
Telling Comey that Flynn is a good guy and asking if he can go easy on him is not obstruction. If it even happened at all. That crime DOES have an intent element. And reminding him that there could be tapes, so that he stays honest, isn't a threat, although, he was no longer an agent at the time. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted May 18, 2017 08:58 AM
DT loves his "sources" and was presenting himself as an authority, as he likes to do when it comes to anything he sticks his nose into. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted May 18, 2017 10:30 AM
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Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—
There is more to unfold. Just like Bill Clintons investigation led to the Monica debacle. ------------------
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Randall
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posted May 18, 2017 11:59 AM
And what happened to Bill Clinton?IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted May 18, 2017 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
And what happened to Bill Clinton?
The same thing that is going to happen to Trump, in spades  ------------------
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