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Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 17, 2017 06:20 PM
Former FBI Director, Robert Mueller, named as special counsel. Finally, the Dems can shut their mouths.IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 17, 2017 06:24 PM
You don't seem to have noticed that much of the press you are so defensive about is anything but Dems.IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 10325 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 17, 2017 06:59 PM
Yahoo!! Republicans want it as badly. Trump has taken them to a new low and I suspect they want their brand redeemed. Mueller can prosecute! ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 17, 2017 07:29 PM
President Trump just issued a statement and is all for it. It will bring this witch hunt to a conclusion. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 17, 2017 08:36 PM
He has changed his tune twice in the last 24 hours. Its going ahead. And due to his tantrums, threats and accusations he is becoming more and more the focus... of an investigation that wasnt even about him just a few days ago. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 17, 2017 08:47 PM
Really? It's always been about President Trump. But now all that Russian money in the hands of Dems, the felonious and treasonous leaks, and Hillary's crimes will all be brought into the light. Be careful what you ask for...IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 17, 2017 11:10 PM
Actually, the POTUS is immune from prosecution. Impeachment would be the vehicle used, but it is extremely unlikely. FYI: Bill Clinton's charges were not just perjury but also obstruction. quote: Originally posted by juniperb: Yahoo!! Republicans want it as badly. Trump has taken them to a new low and I suspect they want their brand redeemed. Mueller can prosecute!
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 10010 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 02:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Former FBI Director, Robert Mueller, named as special counsel. Finally, the Dems can shut their mouths.
The way you've shut your mouth about Hillary? She's been cleared more than once, and you still act as though you know more than the FBI. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 18, 2017 04:56 AM
No Randall it hasn't always been about DT Its been about Russia and it started long before Trump. Nor is it a Dem fantasy Read the year old transcript from a,tape of Repubs talking amongst themselves. Dont let the link scare you it says Wapo on it😲🤤 but its a pdf transcript which the Repubs tried to deny, then tried to pass off the mentions of Trump as a joke. Maybe it was. But they've been letting the public think only the Dems were making a meal of this .. they were aware there was evidence of Russian tampering and that is why the investigation started. If DT came up in the research he may be innocent or guilty but its coincidental until he started flapping around. http://www.washingtonpost.com /apps/g/page/national/read-the-transcript-of-the-conversation-among-gop-leaders-obtained-by-the-post/2209/?tid=a_inl IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 08:46 AM
It's funny seeing Dems grasp at imaginary straws to try to make a case against President Trump with no evidence, while Hillary broke almost a dozen federal laws with a stack of damning evidence. And no, she wasn't cleared by the FBI. Comey said she was "extremely careless" but had no intent. The main statute he referred to doesn't have an intent element. It reters to "gross negligence," which is synonymous with "extreme carelessness." When the smoke clears, it will not fare well for her.IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 18, 2017 12:35 PM
You refuse to see that it is not just Dems. The Repubs were very slow to endorse him, remember... did you read the pdf or are thou so sure you know what's going on that you can't be bothered. This investigating has been going on a ling time. DT could be an innocent porpoise in a tuns net, or he could be something bigger that was after the tuna when the net came round. in a personal sense as well as legal, rather than political, if you want truth it is imperative you don't make up your mind before hearing the case. No honest lawyer would allow you on a jury if this were a civil suit and certainly no prosecutor. Meanwhile Ivanka is taking meetings in the WH in her father's absence. An even more unqualified, unelected, family member .. the gact that she isn't taking a salary doesn't fully exonerste nepotism charges here. She jas an expenses paid office, has profited business wise fron proximity to the throne, and the paranoia exhibited by her father is highlighted by this. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 18, 2017 12:43 PM
Yes intent is part of the picture. The fact that DY said Flynn was a nice guy doesn't make him a softhearted but innocent bystander. It msy however show just how ignorant he has made himself by refusing to listen to the intelligence community.. Flynn was just one puzzle piece in a long running investigation. Is DT an innocent ostrich or consciously evasive? Also part of the investigation now. Russia is no longer Communist and they may have good reason to protect themselves against the US.. but that doesn't mean Putin is not using KGB style tactics.. nor that he is not acting "preemptively" to get us off his back by weakening us. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 18, 2017 01:07 PM
And watch who you call Dems please. If you're referring to me you're barking up the wrong tree. I am party-indifferent and dont like many more Dems than Repubs. If either party did half what they say they would I would be shocked. Even then the fact that they clump together in opposition too each other rather than deal with issues in a practical way makes them worse than obsolete imo.So don't wave away every criticism of DT or suggestion that we might have an infiltration problem as a Dem persecution. LOTS of peoole across the spectrum have issues with all of this.. And there are many different agenda operating behind the surface IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 10010 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 01:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by Catalina: And watch who you call Dems please. If you're referring to me you're barking up the wrong tree. I am party-indifferent and dont like many more Dems than Repubs. If either party did half what they say they would I would be shocked. Even then the fact that they clump together in opposition too each other rather than deal with issues in a practical way makes them worse than obsolete imo.So don't wave away every criticism of DT or suggestion that we might have an infiltration problem as a Dem persecution. LOTS of peoole across the spectrum have issues with all of this.. And there are many different agenda operating behind the surface
I was going to point this out, but didn't want to speak for you. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 02:07 PM
When I say Dems, I mean Dems.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 02:56 PM
Legal experts explain why President Trump did nothing wrong: http://opslens.com/2017/05/17/legal-experts-trumps-flynn-advocacy-not-obstruction-justice/?utm_content=buffer4c626&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 18, 2017 03:14 PM
Legal experts should know better than to pronounce closed a case where the evidence is still basically rumour. Or do you think those psychologists who diagnosed DT without having ever even met him were acting ethically or responsibly?IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 18, 2017 03:26 PM
Randall you repeatedly assert this is a totally Dem issue. So anyone who doesnt support the Trump line is by extension lumped in with Dems. Its not that simple by a lobg shotMany Repubs were solidly against Trump as candidate. This pdf indicates they declined to PUBLICLY acknowledge the appearance of possible Russian interference which - collusion or not - hurt HRC and helped Trump. The enemy of my enemy, right? It occurred to me during the campaign that they declined to rock the boat of a possible winner even tho many of them appeared to despise him ...and that Pence was the perfect backup for their agenda. And if the growing suspicions of Pence play out RYAN is third in line... Maybe time to take off your party blinders?
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 10010 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 03:28 PM
http://time.com/4783932/inside-russia-social-media-war-america/?xid=homepage&pcd=hp-magmod quote: Like many a good spy tale, the story of how the U.S. learned its democracy could be hacked started with loose lips. In May 2016, a Russian military intelligence officer bragged to a colleague that his organization, known as the GRU, was getting ready to pay Clinton back for what President Vladimir Putin believed was an influence operation she had run against him five years earlier as Secretary of State. The GRU, he said, was going to cause chaos in the upcoming U.S. election. What the officer didn't know, senior intelligence officials tell TIME, was that U.S. spies were listening. They wrote up the conversation and sent it back to analysts at headquarters, who turned it from raw intelligence into an official report and circulated it. But if the officer's boast seems like a red flag now, at the time U.S. officials didn't know what to make of it. "We didn't really understand the context of it until much later," says the senior intelligence official. Investigators now realize that the officer's boast was the first indication U.S. spies had from their sources that Russia wasn't just hacking email accounts to collect intelligence but was also considering interfering in the vote. Like much of America, many in the U.S. government hadn't imagined the kind of influence operation that Russia was preparing to unleash on the 2016 election. Fewer still realized it had been five years in the making.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 03:50 PM
I'm talking about Democrats: Schumer, Warren, Peloosy, et. al.IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 2555 From: France Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 04:15 PM
In France, 4 days before the secoűd round of the presidential election, during a tv debate between Le Pen and Macron, she made a comment that sounded as a warning to Macron saying she "hoped that we wouldn't findout soon about some illegal activity Macron would have had,such as an account in a tax heaven country and she specified a country in the caraibeans, I can't remember which one. At the same time some forum in the US mentioned some links and proofs of a bank accoutn detail and contract with what seemed like Macron signature. The following day he attacked in court. If I remeber, some other rumour went out just on friday evening, we vote in France on sundays and at 23:59 friday evening, candidates and medias can not talk about the election until the result at 20:00 on sundayso he could not defend himself, it was another try to destabilise the election, but the media block the rumour as they could not mention the election. My point is this happened here too. IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 18, 2017 04:22 PM
Same point made - that the endgame is to destabilize competition from Europe and US - in the tape of Republicans discussing Russian cyberwarfare and propaganda. And it looks a little like they are saying that the person who had given Putin most trouble was Clinton.. which was to their advantage of they didn't blow it.Of course that is just speculation at this point but Ryan and McConnell strike me as truly Machiavellian in their "tolerance without support" of DT.. who I suspect struck them as the ideal smokescreen for their own agenda...their Trojan Horse. I almost feel sorry for DT.. backstabbers on all sides but at least the "opposition" is public about it.
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Catalina Knowflake Posts: 4023 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 18, 2017 07:01 PM
Ok Randall. Maybe im being oversensitive but that has never been clear! Thanks for clarifying. But look behind the curtain for a minute..The Repubs have been waiting for this imo. Quietly and without setting off DT's alarm bells.. This article seems to think the same thing and a lot of what it says make sense when you think back to campaign/election time. What swamp rat wants to lose his habitat? Put it this way.. i think everything that was positive about DT was going to put them in hot water http://egbertowillies.com/2017/05/18/gop-congressman-donald-trump-done/ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 07:12 PM
On May 9, Director Comey was asked if the FBI Director could be asked to stop an investigation. Comey said yes, but if it's for political reasons, that could be a problem. Then Comey was asked if this ever happened to him, and he said no.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79679 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 18, 2017 07:25 PM
Click on the link and then scroll down to see the video of Comey's testimony where he states under oath that he was never asked to end an investigation: http://www.headlinepolitics.com/comey-testified-under-oath-trump-never-favors/?source=TPI IP: Logged |