posted August 14, 2017 02:34 PM            

Violent, vehement people exist in all sectors of society. But you paint thr picture of the Left as violent suppressors and the Right as civil brave protestors who are just standing up for "unpopular"speech.

Free speech means you can't be arrested for speaking your mind. It doesnt give the right to stigmatize and preach elimination of all unlike oneself.

These Right Uniters obviously associate Lee and the Confederacy with white (not "states'" ) rights and they are afraid that giving all people equal rights will take theirs away.

I saw no helmets carrying anything but confederate flags.

There are groups of Rightwingers who deplore violence too. It looks like they might be trying to get a handle on their members if only not to be blamed for the violence

http://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=312974782501190&id=100013660111371&__tn_ _=%2As-R

But this weekend there was no such attempt. those holding the original rally came with Torches.

Even DT today made the point of acknowledging the racist element involved and condemning it.. finally and only after congratulating himself for the great economy.. in other words it was not worth making the point on its own.. but at least he made it.

posted August 14, 2017 02:54 PM            

In the Daily Stormer post, Angelin characterized Heyer as dying in a “road rage incident.” He said she was a “drain on society” and disparaged her appearance. “Most people are glad she is dead,” he wrote.
http://www.dailystormer.com/heather-heyer-woman-killed-in-roa d-rage-incident-was-a-fat-childless-32-year-old-**** /

No children at 32.. she must have had multiple abortions! This is who publicised this Free Speech Rally I wonder why there was violence?

posted August 14, 2017 06:16 PM            

What is the big picture?

To me one of the reasons Trump won the electorate was his color. This is grossly simplified ~ bear with me.

Millions of whites feel disenfranchised. Crazy thought- but- that is how they feel. With the colorization of America throughout the last few decades whites, and specifically, white Christians feel threatened. They are racist at their cores, in that all of these "others" have not only moved into their neighborhoods zut alors! but have rights.

I feel that Americans in the majority do not subscribe to this. What is the bigger picture?

Class warfare. The have not's have increased to such a point that their anger is focused on "other" NOT the real other, but the societal other.

Simplistic~ but you get my point.

Repeal the "Citizens United"

Corporations are now people in their voice and legislation. and they have more rights than you!

I feel this is projected anger, to an easier to handle area [for white Christians anyway] racism.

The anger [should be] focused where it belongs.

posted August 14, 2017 11:24 PM            

And yes it's amazing how many people voted forObama and Trump.. because they HOPED for CHANGE.. including many who were ridiculing the Hope and Change Obama talked about

posted August 14, 2017 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
The bottom line is, and that is something Trump will have to bear on his historical resume, and despite all your disruptive rethoric, that even if all Trump voters are not nazi and white supremacist, all AMERICANS NAZIS (that is something shocking to write from where I live !) and white supremacists have voted for Trump.

I bet you know a few who found him too mild and didn't vote for him, but that is only pure rethoric, cause everyone, I mean the world, can see what is going on

And the world watches. This events in Charlottesville, actually, made the French headlines...

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posted August 15, 2017 12:12 AM            

There are many kinds of Trump supporters for sure. including these

These are people who yelled “The heat here is nothing compared to what you’re going to get in the ovens.”

David Duke.."WE will fulfill Trumps campaign promises"

posted August 15, 2017 02:43 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
No, no, no.
We have it on excellent authority that all Trump supporters are racists, bigots, skin heads, Hitlerites, white supremacists, vigilantes and militia members. If you don't believe me, just ask the NY Times, Washington Compost and Huffington Post writers. What better proof would anyone need?

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It took rump two days to denounce the KKK, and racists. And then he had to slowly read it from a teleprompter. He's so insincere, and you could show that you have a heart, and admit that, but you won't. I'm just disgusted. It's bad enough that you and his other supporters voted for a sexual predator, and called the women he assaulted liars, happy when one was scared out of testifying. This just keeps getting worse.

posted August 15, 2017 11:22 AM            

I LOVE the double-entendre in her title...
We have had this 'problem' with Neo-Nazis for decades.

BLOCKED// (topic) LONG DIVISION (Rachel Maddow Show 8/14/17) [41:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeFC6ZHwxVM

8/15 EDIT 9:05pm-- That link is blocked. New one ...
(topic) Maddow: Racism Is 'A Persistent Infection' In White American Culture (Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, posted 8/14/2017) [16:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmZNirYH5eU

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Published on Aug 14, 2017
Rachel Maddow looks at the deadly racist violence in Charlottesville, Virginia in the context of other instances of white supremacist violence in the modern era, as well as what makes the weekend's tragic events unique.

(music) "You've Got to be Carefully Taught"; Children Will Listen Medley (Mandy Patinkin) [3:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owxRpV7l8Dc

posted August 15, 2017 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
No, no, no.
We have it on excellent authority that all Trump supporters are racists, bigots, skin heads, Hitlerites, white supremacists, vigilantes and militia members. If you don't believe me, just ask the NY Times, Washington Compost and Huffington Post writers. What better proof would anyone need?

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Once again you are trying to tell me what to think... that doesn't work with me, I make my own mind on my own, and I have no shame to change it if it was wrong,

However, I confirm what I said :

posted August 15, 2017 01:41 PM            

As I went to look for the numbers, it seemed that even the birds stopped singing
one can not read these without a feeling of dread

So the youngs and not so young nazis in charlottesville are trumpetting the following is ok :

Victims Killed Source
Jews 5.93 million [3]
Ethnic Poles 2.7–3.2 million [4][5][6]
Ukrainian Slavs 3 million [7]
Soviet POWs 2–3 million [8]
Belarusian Slavs 1.5 million [7]
Serbs 300,000–500,000 [9][10]
Disabled 270,000 [11]
Romani 90,000–220,000 [12][13]
Freemasons 80,000–200,000 [14][15]
Slovenes 20,000–25,000 [16]
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000 [17]
Jehovah's
Witnesses 2,500–5,000 [18]
Spanish Republicans 7,000 [19]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

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Bear in mind, the FINAL SOLUTION was established in 1942, so most of all those dead were industrially killed from 1942 till early 1945

So much for German efficacity (as a Frenchman, I can make that joke I suppose) :-(

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Taking into account all of the victims of persecution, the Nazis systematically killed an estimated six million Jews and an additional 11 million people during the war. Donald Niewyk suggests that the broadest definition, including Soviet civilian deaths, would produce a death toll of 17 million.[21]

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posted August 15, 2017 02:04 PM            

Defiance in the right hands is a good thing

posted August 15, 2017 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
No one said Nazis have a right to do any act of violence; nor do the ANTIFA, BLM, or any other group.

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The argument that says antifa, blm, nazi, all the same is LAME