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Topic: Charlottesville: far-right crowd with torches encircles counter-protest group
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted August 15, 2017 02:16 PM
  
Im sorry.. who was invited to the WH who called for killing cops?IP: Logged |
Mergoatsun
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posted August 15, 2017 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
No one said Nazis have a right to do any act of violence; nor do the ANTIFA, BLM, or any other group.
Okay but the fact that you are including ANTIFA and BLM in the conversation is the issue. We can talk about all their problems another time, they didn't kill anyone this weekend. If you can't address the actions of white supremacists without pointing the finger at someone else you need to check yourself. We can argue about politics and difference of opinions at other times. These people are the current topic of conversation, don't dilute that. Below is interviews with the Unite the Right organizer during Charlottesville. Watch that, then come back and tell me that you think the counterprotestors are just as bad. https://youtu.be/P54sP0Nlngg IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 15, 2017 02:24 PM
You need to check yourself. Nothing is diluted, because the ANTIFA and BLM were there. If they weren't there, then you might be spitting out some logic. It's not an issue with you, because like many on the left, you turn a blind eye to violence unless it is from the fringe extreme right. ANTIFA came there wearing helmets and carrying bats. It doesn't make them innocent that no one died at their hands. No one died at the hands of the Nazis engaged in brawling with the extreme leftist groups that were there either. That was one driver of one car. NO violent acts are excusable. It doesn't matter what their beliefs are. Unpopular beliefs are protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution. It's not about whether the counter protesters are just as bad or not. I personally find both repugnant. ANTIFA tries to shut down free speech using violence. That is far worse than Nazis who just speak their beliefs but who don't destroy property. One is unpopular but supported speech, while the other is domestic terror. It is about politics, which is why you refuse to admonish the ANTIFA who break windows of cars, businesses, firebomb police, and physically attack conservatives. Get a perspective. The driver of that car should go to prison for a number of federal crimes. I solemnly condemn such an atrocity. Why do I not hear any condemnation from you about the ANTIFA domestic terrorists who showed up looking to beat down some Nazis? A bat is a deadly weapon capable of murdering, and any reasonable person would infer that the intent to do so was surely there. I forget that you live in a bubble, Cat. BLM: "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!" IP: Logged |
pire
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posted August 15, 2017 02:35 PM
Thanks for sharing this link mergoatsunI am watching it right now, it is very interesting ... It makes me think, funny, we are not hearing from our old jwhop ... strange IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 15, 2017 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Obama did the same thing. Where was your fake outrage then? Newsflash for the uninformed, the POTUS has to wait for the official word before making a public statement. You hypocrites jumped all over President Trump for making a statement calling an act terrorism before it was official.
Fake outrage? hypocrites? How dare you? And before it was official? As soon as anything happens seems like terrorism, conservatives are screaming it, and looking it at as a reason to boot out Muslims and Mexicans. These people were clearly flying Nazi flags, holding shields with the same kind of symbols, carrying weapons, inciting hatred and fear. They want people of colour, and jews, to be scared. Still waiting for you to admit any of the above. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 15, 2017 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
They have the right to protest, but they do not have the right to threaten the lives of others, hurt counter protesters, and murder. I don't believe it's just an opinion either. An opinion is: I don't like Trump's policy making. Or I don't like Hillary Clinton because she doesn't support what I believe. Meanwhile the Nazis, neo-nazis, and white supremacists hold violent proclamations that endanger lives (including mine). Their violent proclamations aren't opinions, they are declarations of planned intent. Different opinions is not the issue here. We can disagree without me hating you. As long as both of our pursuits of happiness doesn't hurt or infringe on others rights it's all relativity. The issue here is that these people ARE infringing on others rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Someone died! I enjoy hearing differing opinions because it keeps me informed and non-biased, however I will never be complicit with the side of NAZIS. These people want: jews, any person of color, people in interracial relationships (including Jew with gentile in this case), physically and mentally disabled, LGBT people, Catholics, and women who are feminists (or don't agree with them) DEAD. How can anyone defend them and say it's on both sides? Last I checked, only the Nazis wanted to whipe out millions of people.
Right. In one video, something from HBO, I clearly heard them chanting, "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil". IP: Logged |
Mergoatsun
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posted August 15, 2017 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by pire:
Thanks for sharing this link mergoatsunI am watching it right now, it is very interesting ... It makes me think, funny, we are not hearing from our old jwhop ... strange
No problem. I am no longer going to be engaging on this thread, but I wanted the video out there. I'm not going to sit here and listen to people defend white supremacy and being tone deaf to people it hurts. Jews, Muslims, Catholics, POC, Roma, the disabled, LGBT, people in interracial relationships, and anyone who loves those people need to band together against white supremacy. This isn't a time to point fingers. We need to be strong, address these people, and work together. I refuse to dilute the issue here by spinning the conversation into it about both sides. As long as I'm concerned there is only one side, America and keeping her free of nazis.
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pire
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posted August 15, 2017 02:50 PM
Teasel, That is probably the video posted by mergoatsunIP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 15, 2017 02:50 PM
Pire, these nut jobs can call themselves geese, but that doesn't mean that they grow feathers that can fill pillows. These are not the lunatics that killed 6 million Jews. We helped fight a war to completely wipe them off the face if the planet.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 15, 2017 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by mirage29:
Rachel Maddow put together the history behind those groups. Don't be put-off by time length... I guarantee that once you pass the 5 minute mark, the TIME goes VERY quickly. Her presentation was clear, and interesting..I LOVE the double-entendre in her title...
We have had this 'problem' with Neo-Nazis for decades. (topic) LONG DIVISION (Rachel Maddow Show 8/14/17) [41:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeFC6ZHwxVM  (music) "You've Got to be Carefully Taught"; Children Will Listen Medley  (Mandy Patinkin) [3:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owxRpV7l8Dc ref Teasel's thread July 10 on KKK in VA
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/003512.html
We've had the problem for years - the KKK held a rally in Cleveland, not long before we moved here, I remember - but they voted Trump in, they took the credit, and they feel like it's now safe for them to spout and spread their beliefs, their hatred. One of my black friends, admitted that he feared for his life a couple of years ago, because of all of the police shootings. Now he's thinking about arming himself, because of white supremacists. I saw video of them pushing on police, pulling all kinds of crap that a black man (or woman) wouldn't get away with. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 15, 2017 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by pire:
Teasel, That is probably the video posted by mergoatsun
Thanks, I saw one of facebook last night, and was going to link to it. I tried to open another youtube link - I think it was mirage's link - and it wouldn't work. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 15, 2017 02:59 PM
That is the same video. It's chilling to watch. IP: Logged |
Node
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posted August 15, 2017 03:15 PM
thanks mergoatsun for posting the vice vid.I am walking back my "misdirected anger" from a previous post. The anger is very focused. It includes any who are not white.
Jews & Blacks hold a special place in their hatred filed hearts. Smart of vice to send a young white blond. They "taught her" the message. "You will not replace us."
"Jews will not replace us."
"Who's streets, our streets."
"White lives matter" "The people the radicals on the left, the corporations, are all on the Jewish side."
"We will keep fighting"
"You aint seen nothin' yet." "They could not get out of the way of a car?" "These people want violence, and the right is meeting market demand" IP: Logged |
Node
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posted August 15, 2017 03:31 PM
I like this quote in the comments
DarkSideSixOfficial2 minutes ago
You misunderstand the fact that Black Lives Matter was created because of the existence of systematic oppression via. inner circle police abuse of corrupt power, and funny enough, Black Lives Matter movement has people of all ethnicity in it, why? Because Black people oddly enough are always fighting for everyone else as well as themselves to be able to live in peace, and freely. Take a look at what happened to the last greatest man to do it peacefully, MLK? Dead. There's a great saying, and that is if you prevent the process of peaceful protest and unity, you will only create the path to violence. This is probably what some hidden behind smoke and mirrors want, but Black Lives Matter hasn't attacked anyone. Like with anything, you'll have some kid commit violence, and then stick a name to his violent work.
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teasel
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posted August 15, 2017 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Node:
thanks mergoatsun for posting the vice vid.I am walking back my "misdirected anger" from a previous post. The anger is very focused. It includes any who are not white.
Jews & Blacks hold a special place in their hatred filed hearts. Smart of vice to send a young white blond. They "taught her" the message. "You will not replace us."
"Jews will not replace us."
"Who's streets, our streets."
"White lives matter" "The people the radicals on the left, the corporations, are all on the Jewish side."
"We will keep fighting"
"You aint seen nothin' yet." "They could not get out of the way of a car?" "These people want violence, and the right is meeting market demand"
Yeah.  I didn't mean to ignore your previous post. I thought you were talking about trump voters as a whole, not these guys. Trump apparently re-tweeted this image, and it was there for fifteen minutes, before someone removed it. Three days after a woman was murdered by that nazi in a car:  IP: Logged |
Bluejay
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posted August 15, 2017 04:38 PM
The white supremacists were not there to peacefully protest. Christopher Cantwell (host of an alt-right radio show) even said on that video "We're not non-violent. We will f-ing kill these people if we have to." He was also armed, and came to Virginia with an arsenal of weapons. They want a race war. That press conference Trump just did was a $h!t storm. He doubled down on blaming the counter protestors for the violence, something that the white supremacists have already said is encouraging them. He also got in an advertisement at the end for his winery in Charlottesville. What a tone deaf fool. He's a national embarrassment! IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted August 15, 2017 04:47 PM
How dare DT "give his daughter to a Jew".. apparently Ivanka is just a "beautiful girl" doll whose father should have picked her a proper white man husband so he wouldn't have to see that "filth Kushner" walking around the WHITE HOUSE. I mean there's a reason the presidents house is painted WHITE, right? IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted August 15, 2017 05:26 PM
Just one car...In Charlottesville But just one car in England was cause for rallying cries of Muslim atrocities. Just one truck in Manchester proved what filth Islam promotes Spot the difference in your perception. The fact is THIS one car was in town to make a show of power against the "commies" and Jewish filth and he did IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 15, 2017 05:30 PM
I've just heard about the press conference. **** him! He has never deserved the title of President, and he just keeps proving it. Of course, he started out hiring white supremacists for jobs in his government, so I don't know why I'm at all surprised. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 15, 2017 06:15 PM
Mergoat, do you have a reading comprehension problem? No one on this site is defending white supremacy, least of all me. The right to rally, however, is protected by the Constitution. And Node, you can't defend the vile rhetoric of BLM and their cop-killing chants and then condemn the similar rhetoric of other groups. All such rhetoric should be condemned. All hate should be discouraged. All racism, bigotry, and inequality should be disavowed. In times like this, where the individuals are so divergent from the norms of American society, we must remain steadfast in the protection of the First Amendment, but that doesn't excuse any violent acts on either side of the spectrum. There is only one side, America's side, so you got that right, Mer. The problem is that far left extremism and far right extremism are both antitheses to our American values. The Constitution, under which our government was founded, must always remain at the core of our foundation. Lose the Constitution, and then we will truly find ourselves in a police state.IP: Logged |
pire
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posted August 15, 2017 07:19 PM
I am watching his press conference of today, and it is appallin, wieth this reasoning, and to stay on topic of nazis, he would judge France and UK's declaration of war to nazi Germany as being bad, bad on both sides, although Germany had been preparing for war for years and just invaded Poland.This man is clearly a disgrace for The US, and I predict that every leader on the planet will see that and take their distance. Leaving him isolated on the world stage. Not good times ahead for the US Sad for the good* folks Good* = lefties and moderate as he would say IP: Logged |
pire
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posted August 15, 2017 07:34 PM
He wants divisions, he will not do anything else but divide, cause he's too weak mentally and emotionally to handle stressful situations correctly but use division to his own advantage, no matter if he contradicts himself over time.This press conferençe on infrastructure is a milestone I think. He shows here his failling to embrace reality and lack of good judgment. For every reasonable reason, he should have distanced himself with what happened, but was unable beicause defending his initial response was paramount to being on the right side of history. He rather be not in touch with reasoning than be criticized. That can't be the leader of the free world. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted August 15, 2017 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
The fact that you can't help yourself twisting what people say into what thwy did not.. once again only shows who YOU are.There are many kinds of Trump supporters for sure. including these[b] These are people who yelled “The heat here is nothing compared to what you’re going to get in the ovens.” David Duke.."WE will fulfill Trumps campaign promises" Imagine for one second that a mob of angry black people descended upon a public space with torches, screaming about wanting to kill those who didn’t look like them. Compare the crystal-clear images of these white men with the tear-gassed protestors from Ferguson.
http://iambeggingmymothernottoreadthisblog.com/2017/08/12/my-fellow-white-americans/ [/B]
President Trump IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT DAVID DUKE SAYS. Is that too difficult a concept for you to understand? IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted August 15, 2017 07:55 PM
"Okay but the fact that you are including ANTIFA and BLM in the conversation is the issue."No! The issue is that they WERE THERE and participated in the riot. In fact, without their presence...with their clubs, bats and violence, there wouldn't have been a riot at all. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 15, 2017 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Okay but the fact that you are including ANTIFA and BLM in the conversation is the issue."No! The issue is that they WERE THERE and participated in the riot. In fact, without their presence...with their clubs, bats and violence, there wouldn't have been a riot at all.
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