posted October 04, 2017 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
A reminder to everyone :
While this is a more tolerant forum for political opinions, news and bias`s , we still can not post bashing of any race, religion or gender.
Thank you!

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I wasn't bashing, I was talking about personal experience. We see so much about black on black crime, but nothing about white people hurting "their own" or anyone else, for that matter.

We're all supposed to be in this together, but some want to separate it into a race or gender issue. Like women supposedly only voting for Hillary, because she was a woman. And women happily giving it up to trump, because he's rich and famous (but Bill Clinton didn't have the same luck: he was just a sleazeball).

posted October 04, 2017 04:32 PM            

This thread is productive and I would like to see it stay on track to get gun control message out there.

posted October 05, 2017 09:04 AM            

...Beginning in 1994 and moving through 2014, as guns per person increased, the gun homicide rate decreased. The graphs are inversely proportional, a virtual mirror-image of each other. Gun ownership increases by 50 percent, and homicides decrease by 50 percent. How can that be? I thought guns were the problem.

Another way to look at this is the correlation between the number of privately owned firearms and the homicide rate. Again, inversely proportional. More guns, fewer murders. Huh? That's not what I hear on the evening news or cable news gab-fests.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/10/dont_tell_the_left_more_guns_fewer_homicides.html

posted October 05, 2017 12:21 PM            

Oh and that spike after the sunset of the ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN passed about the same time and expired in 2004..

Perhaps those who suggest its not how many guns but who is allowed to buy them that makes the difference would use the same chart?!

posted October 05, 2017 01:17 PM            

And this

In 2010, the high court followed up Heller with a ruling in McDonald vs. City of Chicago which nullified Chicago’s ban. At that, the concealed carry of firearms was still outlawed in Chicago as it was throughout all of Illinois.

Two years later, however, the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals struck down the Illinois concealed carry ban as unconstitutional and the state soon after became the last in the nation to approve concealed carry.

posted October 05, 2017 04:34 PM            

It was President Obama’s ATF, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms . . . in 2010 that decided not to regulate [the bump stock device that enabled the Las Vegas shooter to turn his gun into a rapid-fire weapon] . . . I want to say something else . . . we did a quick search . . . this conversation isn’t being had until tragedies like this strike by those who try to be the loudest voices.  
http://verifiedpolitics.com/kellyanne-conway-just-tried-blame-obama-las-vegas-massacre/

posted October 05, 2017 08:12 PM            

Assault weapons are not defined by how they look, but rather by how they function...oh, except for the lunatic leftist gun grabbers who are frightened by "the appearance" of a gun which otherwise functions as a semi-automatic rifle..or pistol.

No self respecting professional soldier would choose to go to war with semi-auto..so called assault rifle. Never, Never, Never.

The rise in the numbers of guns in civilian hands corresponds flawlessly with the lessening of the numbers of murders.

posted October 05, 2017 08:26 PM            

But of course if it interferes with your narrative you csn pretend its just coincidence.

Hint: in Australia in 96 guns were grabbed. They haven't had s mass shooting since...

posted October 05, 2017 11:26 PM            

NYTimes ‘Conservative’ Columnist Bret Stephens: Repeal the Second Amendment
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/10/05/nyt-columnist-calls-repealing-second-amendm ent/

Nancy Sinatra: ‘Murderous’ NRA Members Should Face ‘Firing Squad’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/10/05/nancy-sinatra-murderous-nra-members-face-firing-squad/

Lewis: I Don’t Think My Push for More Gun Control Has Anything to Do With the Constitution
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/04/l ewis-i-dont-think-my-push-for-more-gun-control-has-anything-to-do-with-the-constitution/

Tim Kaine: Vegas Attacker Stopped ‘Because He Didn’t Have a Silencer’ The Court Fool!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/04/tim-ka ine-vegas-attacker-stopped-because-he-didnt-have-a-silencer/

Michael Moore: ‘We Have Got to Get Rid Of Trump,’ 2nd Amendment
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/corinne-weaver/2017/10/04/

It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them.
http://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

Dear America: it’s time to grow up and ban guns
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/for-gods-sake-america-just-ban-guns

posted October 06, 2017 06:01 AM            

check it out: http://planetwaves.net/astrologynews/1110771670-alt.html
EF is very good at this and I trust his research. I call it investigative astrological reporting.

It is useful reporting even if you think astrology is bunk. As all of us are on an astrological site the added nuance that astrology provides is a great tool.

I will not repost out take quotes, but will add one fact that was news to me.

"Since 1970, more Americans have died from guns (including suicides, murders and accidents) than the sum total of all the Americans who died in all the wars in American history, back to the American Revolution."

The American death toll of the Vietnam War, from 1955 to 1975, stands at 58,220. Every 633 days, that many Americans die of gunshot wounds.

These are jaw dropping facts.

posted October 06, 2017 11:30 AM            

While bump stocks are taking criticism from Democrats and Republicans alike, it is interesting to note that the devices were approved for sale in 2010 by Barack Obama’s ATF.

The ATF approved the devices because they do not convert a semiautomatic rifle into an automatic. Rather, they are an accessory that allows semiautomatic rifle owners to mimic automatic fire for short bursts.

posted October 06, 2017 07:26 PM            

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Most of this research—and there have been several dozen peer-reviewed studies—punctures the idea that guns stop violence. In a 2015 study using data from the FBI and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for example, researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University reported that firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in the states with the most guns versus those with the least. Also in 2015 a combined analysis of 15 different studies found that people who had access to firearms at home were nearly twice as likely to be murdered as people who did not.
This evidence has been slow to accumulate because of restrictions placed by Congress on one of the country's biggest injury research funders, the CDC. Since the mid-1990s the agency has been effectively blocked from supporting gun violence research. And the NRA and many gun owners have emphasized a small handful of studies that point the other way.

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posted October 06, 2017 10:07 PM            

Here's my regulation proposal for potential gun owners:

First, some definitions. Many people don't seem to understand this idea at first blush, and that's likely due to not being exposed to the same information as me, so let's get on the same page, shall we?

In the book Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion by Dr. Robert Cialdini he goes over the idea of Reciprocity. There's a wikipedia page on it:
The norm of reciprocity requires that we repay in kind what another has done for us. It can be understood as the expectation that people will respond favorably to each other by returning benefits for benefits. This is an ingrained part of our culture and society. It says that if you do me a favor, I am indebted to you. As seen in the Social Stability portion of the Wikipedia page: "Nonetheless, the general norm of reciprocity offers another source of motivation and moral sanction for conforming with specific status obligations; if other people have been fulfilling their status responsibilities to you, you then have a second-order obligation to fulfill your status responsibilities to them as well. The feeling of gratitude reinforces that of rectitude and contributes to conformity, thus social stability.[16]" Like a child borrowing a parent's car might be extra careful due to the implied favor of the gesture, so will people generally tend to be more careful once entrusted with meaningful favors. The section on Evolutionary Psychology puts it this way: "The underlying justification lies in the human desire to reciprocate kindness and cooperate for survival value has enabled our continued existence in a hostile world. Thus, the norm of reciprocity ultimately has survival value."

The idea is simple: Any person wanting to own a gun must have (and maintain) a certain number of endorsing people that not only vouch for the person's trustworthiness, but are also willing to held into account in the event that the person goes on to be at fault in a mass shooting (or other highly criminal act)(any legal discharge of a weapon or smaller crime would not put these endorsers at risk).

Obviously, it would require a reasonable amount of trust to agree to be such a person, but that kind of trust is not out of reach for the normal, well-adjusted human. It would presumably be a more difficult proposition for a loner, which is desirable.

The Norm of Reciprocity would make it so that such an endorsement would be a weighty favor to give people. A would-be lone wolf would have to consider that their loved ones may be held legally responsible were they to commit a serious atrocity. No longer could a lone wolf think there would be no meaningful personal repercussions for their actions. The lone wolf is usually more than happy to kill a bunch of strangers. It's more rare that they turn their guns on friends and loved ones.

Such a process would be required for each purchase, which would make the stockpiling of guns a little more difficult.

A person could revoke their endorsement at any time anonymously triggering an automatic notification to the gun owner to rectify the situation or else store the gun with the county until the issue has been rectified.

This way, all normal, well-adjusted, well-liked people get to keep their precious guns, and those that are more sketchy have a more difficult time.

To be sure, "mental health" is an excuse and a distraction (and we require good access to healthcare to deal with such things anyway).

posted October 07, 2017 01:15 AM            

2. More Handguns per capita = More Crime
than More Semi-Automatics?

3. Mass shooting rates prior to availability of Semi-Automatics

4. Availability of Bump Stocks increasing kill rates of civilians

5. NRA Profits increase compared to American Death Rate by Guns

6. Number of Mass Killers stopped by Gun owners

7. Total Whites killed by Whites using licensed Guns, and Total Blacks killed by Blacks using licensed Guns.

Only a pure Mathematical, Objective Analysis of all such facts and more can help draw the best conclusion. Even without the analysis, my gut feeling is that a complete ban on Semi-Automatics and an easier access to hand guns will minimize mass killings while upholding 2nd Amendment Rights.

Plan B is to keep writing to Jeff Bezos and like minded donors to donate a billion dollars to African American Semi-Automatic Gun Owners Association [Not formed yet, can be instigated on SM].

When a picture of a 1000 or more brothers proudly holding Semi-Automatics as their 2nd Amendment Right [with Bump Stocks] goes Viral on Social Media, the NRA will do the needful and lobby for Strict Gun Control on Semi-Automatics which will end the madness of Mass Killings.

Heck just the news that this is going to happen will cause panic in the White Supremacist Community and some action to protect Americans can be expected.