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Topic: Sneaking Artic Oil Drilling into the TAX BILL
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Node
Knowflake Posts: 3161
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 02, 2017 07:07 PM
  
Just another day in the life of our Representatives.
http://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/362625-dont-sneak-arctic-oil-drilling-into-tax-bill
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Node
Knowflake Posts: 3161
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 02, 2017 07:10 PM
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 89281
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 02, 2017 08:27 PM
These are the majority. They can vote on whatever they wish. We already knew President Trump was going to drill and release our rich oil reserves in the arctic, and we approve his message.IP: Logged |
iQ
Moderator Posts: 5394
From: Lyra
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2017 12:44 AM
Not cool. Majorities who did not accept Scientific Opinion in the past asserted that the Earth is Flat. Majorities enforced slavery and even established Fascism in Europe. Had the EPA been strengthened, and were to oversee any drilling, there was a chance that the Arctic Drilling would steadily work out but when GOP has allowed reckless fracking and now unregulated, unprotected drilling in the most sensitive Arctic Zone? That too passed in a Tax Cut Bill? This is CRIMINAL. A Criminal Decision taken by the Majority. Tomorrow, the Majority can ban LGBT, can disenfranchise people of color or in a very worst case scenario Force a Shariah Law of Christianity. Will that be acceptable? Democracy works with strong Institutions, Checks/Balances, Transparent Debating, Public Referendums and Consensus. Brute Majority Laws are nothing but Tyranny of the Ignorant. There will be terrible consequences for the future generations. We have learned nothing from the recent record Floods in Texas and Florida.
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Astrology Articles New Services and short readings IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 89281
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posted December 03, 2017 01:20 AM
Majority in that one party is in power. All checks and balances still remain.IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 3161
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2017 05:14 PM
Checks and balances?
Said in my best John McEnroe voice:
 Indeed iQ Criminal Tyranny of the ignorant. Next we will hear that Denali & Yellowstone will be mined for their resources as well. IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 3161
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
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posted December 03, 2017 05:45 PM
Fine drilling/fracking spaces.
http://serc.carleton.edu/NAGTWorkshops/health/case_studies/hydrofracking_w.html IP: Logged |
iQ
Moderator Posts: 5394
From: Lyra
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2017 02:45 AM
Drilling in the Arctic would not just be a crime against America but a crime against Humanity and Planet Earth. That is a billion years of pristine bio-diversity. In monetary terms, that is a 100 trillion dollars of Nature. It would be so much more easier to just patch up with Venezuela and buy their Crude, or just buy more Crude from friendly countries like Norway, Malaysia and Brunei.
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5528
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 04, 2017 12:41 PM
Shell recently abandoned the prospect of drilling the arctic due to high costs high risks and dubious gains. Whatever the feasibility this is not a tax item, was slipped in to get a vote indirectly, and is part of the high pork content you would be screaming about if the Dems were in power IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 89281
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posted December 04, 2017 12:49 PM
We elected President Trump to establish energy independence for America.IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5528
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 04, 2017 01:24 PM
Against the wishes of the majority who either didn't vote or voted for ANYONE but himAnd again, this has no place in a tax bill whatever your wishes IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 89281
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posted December 04, 2017 01:45 PM
Keep deluding yourself.IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 3161
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2017 02:19 PM
^?Who, what, when, where, why, and how? Another substantive reply~ furthering intelligent discussion. Thanks for your input. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5528
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 04, 2017 02:24 PM
Just fact Randall. The either/or world you live in exists only in propaganda. People will just believe you. You just tell them and they believe you,” I guess your Leader thinks he is smarter than Lincoln... at least in the gaslighting division IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 89281
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posted December 04, 2017 03:28 PM
We elect our Presidents via the the electoral college. Using that system, President Trump decidedly clobbered Hillary, with his states won 30 to her 20. The broken record mantra of "majority vote" is ridiculous, and the only reason she got more votes is because of the dense population of CA. We can't help who didn't vote, and so they chose not to have a voice. President Trump flipped 10 blue states red, and many Dems also voted for him.IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 11030
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2017 05:06 PM
Hey, don't look now leftist lunatics but ANWAR is not the unspoiled, pristine, snow covered Artic paradise leftist loons make it out to be.The so called Artic Reserve site is a rock and boulder strewn barren wasteland so desolate most Artic wildlife avoids it. Leftists are liars. They don't oppose drilling in ANWAR because of wildlife in the area. These tree hugging, anti-civilization troglodytes want a "Little House on the Prairie" existence for Americans. No sale!  By the way, who told you those pictures represent the area known as the Artic National Wildlife Refuge? IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 3161
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 05, 2017 06:06 PM
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By the way, who told you those pictures represent the area known as the Artic National Wildlife Refuge?
When did you last have your eye enhancement prescription checked? As I posted next Denali & Yellowstone! the pics are from those places...  It is criminal misfeasance to mine the Arctic  IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5528
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 05, 2017 06:18 PM
Whether or not you value that land as real estate it does not belong in a tax bill itsa pork.It is typical of the Environnent Haters to assume that because a place is not beautiful that it has no significance to the ecosystem or wildlife. Even supposedly environmentally conscious folk do this Hence vast solar farms in the "barren desert" which is actually a rich ecosystem of its own.. and the insistence that drilling in the Arctic is not disrupting anything. As with Bears Ears and other monuments the landgrabbers for profit pretend not to notice that people and wildlife (not to mention sacred land and treaties) actually do have other uses for them. IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 3161
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 05, 2017 06:41 PM
From cat: quote:
Whatever the feasibility this is not a tax item, was slipped in to get a vote indirectly, and is part of the high pork content you would be screaming about if the Dems were in power
I doubt screaming though, it is the environment/planet/future after all.  Issues that hold no traction for the aged representatives. IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 11030
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 05, 2017 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Node:
When did you last have your eye enhancement prescription checked?As I posted [b]next Denali & Yellowstone! the pics are from those places... It is criminal misfeasance to mine the Arctic [/B]
Why would you post pics of Yellowstone when this conversation is about drilling for oil in the Artic? It is neither misfeasance or malfeasance to drill or mine where the natural resources exist that this country needs to power our economy. Your headband must be too tight. IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 3161
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 05, 2017 07:34 PM
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Linda Jones
Knowflake Posts: 1932
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posted December 05, 2017 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by Node:
Hahahahahaha
Hilarious!
Thanks node, i needed that
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Linda Jones
Knowflake Posts: 1932
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posted December 05, 2017 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
We elect our Presidents via the the electoral college. Using that system, President Trump decidedly clobbered Hillary, with his states won 30 to her 20. The broken record mantra of "majority vote" is ridiculous, and the only reason she got more votes is because of the dense population of CA. We can't help who didn't vote, and so they chose not to have a voice. President Trump flipped 10 blue states red, and many Dems also voted for him.
Umm...gerrymandering played a HUGE role in his win...it is the reason democrats haven't had the majority for many years. Gerrymandering is dishonest, the GOP don't have the confidence to win on merit so they resort to underhanded schemes
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 89281
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posted December 05, 2017 10:44 PM
President Trump won because people were fed up with the status quo, and Hillary was the epitome of it. Hillary fell for her own hype and believed when the media claimed she had a 95% chance of winning, so didn't bother campaigning in key states. President Trump was going to two and three states a day. As usual, hard work pays off.IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
Knowflake Posts: 1932
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posted December 05, 2017 11:39 PM
Gerrymandering set the stage for him to win. That's why he won the electoral vote and she won the popular vote...pretty impressive even though she didn't go to 2 or 3 states a dayIP: Logged |
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