posted February 25, 2018 11:14 AM            

Read a piece by an attending physician in Parkland the other day. How many people do you think are praying that lawmakers will get some sense?
http://www.theatlanti c.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/?utm_source=fbb

posted February 25, 2018 12:14 PM            

The issue here is really the automatic assault rifle thing, rather than a complete ban on guns.

posted February 25, 2018 01:07 PM            

The AR-15 is not an assault rifle/weapon and neither is the AR-15 an automatic weapon.

Why do gun grabbers continue to be confused by facts?

"You are right of course, AR doesn't stand for assault rifle however there is no need for such weapon (in hunting it would destroy your prey)

What? DUH!

posted February 25, 2018 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Howe many victims of AR 15s have you tried to repair jwhop?
http://www.neoshodailynews.com/zz/news/20180224/how-ar-15-r ifle-used-in-florida-school-attack-causes-so-much-damage

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"R-15 rounds cause Soft Ball size exit wounds..."

Pure unadulterated horseshiite!

The AR-15 fires a .22 caliber bullet. If that size bullet...less than a quarter inch in diameter fully expanded to twice it's size, the exit wound would be less than a half inch.

posted February 25, 2018 11:33 PM            

But jwhops probly right. Soon there will be guns on campuses of schools banning protest about guns on campuses and in the hands of maniacs..

Like the guns on the Kent State campus in 1970.. in the hands of the brave National Guard.

posted February 26, 2018 09:59 AM            

Thus, ordinary handguns are enough for a School Marshall and for every Citizen as per 2nd Amendment.

posted February 26, 2018 12:08 PM            

You don't get to decide "what's enough gun" for American Citizens. Nor do you get to decide what the 2nd Amendment means.

Buzz off with your ignorant tripe.

Btw, the AR-15 is NOT a military weapon. It's suitable for punching holes in paper targets, hunting ground hogs and coyotes and not much else. It's short 16" barrel doesn't even get the most velocity to be had out of the pop-gun round, the 5.56/.223.

posted February 26, 2018 12:33 PM            

I remember the Orlando Pulse shooting here.
Shocking, and tragic.

I had a medical appointment on the same street and behind Pulse a week or so later.

I remember the GRIEF that came UP and OUT of me, as I approached that building. This sense of MOURNING overcame me. All that blood. All those innocent and Beautiful lives!

You NEVER know... what it 'feels' like, until it happens in YOUR community, to people YOU would care about.

ADD-- Let me bring back to mind-- the HURRICANE, and the 'sense of care' that WE here at LL, and in the GU forum, HAD for each other---- Jwhop (and I) COULD HAVE DIED.
Do you remember that RUSH of concern and Care???????

Everyone else, who can look upon others going through a BAD ordeal-- who are able to be STONE HEARTED, get all pickle-faced and crusty and hard, and NOT be able to think of *Others*??, has NOT had Death touch close-enough to their OWN personal door.

There's a thread in Astro2.0 called "He's gone."

In it, one of our LL members had a close associate commit suicide.

She is going through the stages of GRIEF right now, and shock. THAT IS called Humanity. That is called having a DIRECT EXPERIENCE with Death, and its throes. It throws the SURVIVOR.

You can go and just casually read through....
Or you can go there, and Understand WHAT it means to LOSE someone CLOSE to you.

Definitely, we live in dual realities.
Some Watch.
Some Partake.
Some, do Both....
It's called empathy.

Empathy.... happens if your Heart has broken.
Too many can't make the Bridge,
till it shockingly happens to YOU.

Blessings and Support for those children right now.

No matter how much you THINK you're ready for it? ...
nope
you're not.

EVEN when you KNOW someone is about to die (like a sick child, parent, friend), and EVEN if they've been sick for YEARS?

The POINT of Death is always humanly a shock, It's called "the sting" of Death-- The sting is for the people left behind.
A Transition that is FELT, because we SHARE in the Human Experience.

Prayers changing things?

Outside of believing in benevolent forces--

AN Attitude of PRAYER, or THOUGHT, means that you actually Care about what happened.

posted February 26, 2018 03:13 PM            

You need to snap out of the stupor in which you find yourself.

"Or perhaps you think the armed policemen didn't go in cause they thought no one would be hurt.. including themselves"

I don't know what those so called police officers thought...AND, neither do you.

I do know that school district and Sheriff's Dept had a hands off approach to student misconduct as well as criminal activity.

"Sundance's research into the political dynamics of Martin's Miami-Dade school system led him to expand his research into neighboring Broward County years before the Parkland shooting. We communicated the day after that shooting. We had a shared sense of what had gone wrong. I detailed some of this last week in an article on what one public interest magazine called the "Broward County solution." In Broward County, they call it more modestly the "PROMISE Program."

In November 2013, Sundance first reported that Broward County was "willing to jump on the diversionary bandwagon." As an attached Associated Press article noted, "One of the nation's largest school districts has reached an agreement with law enforcement agencies and the NAACP to reduce the number of students being charged with crimes for minor offenses." The goal, as the article explained, was to create an alternative to the zero-tolerance policies then in place by giving principals, not law enforcement, the authority to determine the nature of the offense."

"In a collaborative agreement among school officials and law enforcement, the presence of the NAACP might seem anomalous, but not in the Obama era, where considerations of race routinely shaped educational policy. "One of the first things I saw was a huge differential in minority students, black male students in particular, in terms of suspensions and arrests,"

"The spurious "same behavior" insinuation would put the onus on law enforcement to treat black students more gingerly than they would non-blacks. To make the issue seem less stark, authorities cloaked the black American crime disparity with EEOC boilerplate about "students of color" and other presumably marginalized individuals. Although nonsensical on the face of it – one is hard pressed to recall a crime spree by the disabled – this language opened the door for Nikolas de Jesus Cruz. An adopted son of the late Roger and Linda Cruz, the future school shooter had a name that fit the "metrics" of the collaborative agreement, regardless of his DNA."

"Over time the policy [in Miami-Dade] began to create outcomes where illegal behavior by students was essentially unchecked by law enforcement." Sundance was alerted to the problem during the investigation into Martin's death when six M-DSPD officers blew the whistle on their superiors, the most notable of them being Chief Hurley. The whistleblowers told of cases of burglary and robbery where officers had to hide the recovered evidence in order to avoid writing up the students for criminal behavior. "At first I didn't believe them," writes Sundance of the whistleblowers. "However, after getting information from detectives, cross referencing police reports, and looking at the 'found merchandise' I realized they were telling the truth."

One of those incidents involved Martin. Caught with a dozen pieces of stolen female jewelry and a burglary tool, Martin had his offense written off as entering an unauthorized area and writing graffiti on a locker. There could be no effort made to track the jewelry to its rightful owner, lest Martin's apprehension be elevated to the level of a crime. Instead, Martin was suspended, one of three suspensions that school year.".............
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/incompetence_wasnt_the_problem_in_broward_county.html

posted February 27, 2018 06:38 PM            

And Eisrnhower, a military man, warned about ther MIC.

posted March 02, 2018 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
The continued resistance on this issue comes from two directions, one from the gun lobbyists who value money over the slaughtered bodies of our innocent children. The other comes from rigid ideas about gun ownership based on the 2nd amendment, the second amendment says we have the right to bear arms, but that can be interpreted in many different ways. It does not guarantee a right to semi automatic weapons specifically, just "arms." I think everyone should be able to have swords and muskets. That's plenty.

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