posted February 24, 2019 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
So how long did your white community (I assume) was bullied and victimized to feel so afraid of the aggressive members of the other comunity ?

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I don't understand this. Would you rephrase?

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Do you think the black (as a comunity) are allowed to feel victimized ? Do you think some individuals are allowed to feel personally victimized, if you finf it acceptable for white who recently saw their social position endangered ?

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1)The Black community is not just allowed but is *encouraged* to embrace victimization. To their credit, some honest and reasonable Blacks (Burgess Owen, Jesse Lee Peterson, Thomas Sowell, +) have argued against this self defeatist approach, but they are generally sidelined by the establishment. In an interesting psychological turn of events, this claimed oppression is often balanced with Wakandaism. It's a curiously Jewish sort of mindset ie simultaneously The Chosen Ones and the Eternal Victim.

2) ofc any individual may claim the crown of victimhood if it pleases them. That's their business. I'm discussing cultural trends and political movements. Black victimhood hurts the black community, and this naturally extends to the US in its entirety. Stop and imagine if every Black American activist adopted the Hotep mindset, rather than the BLM. Very different country.

3) "social position endangered" is an interesting way to put it
I think most whites are either clueless or willing accomplices. Those more aware sorts are concerned with the vilification and outright destruction of their culture and heritage. This is not a petty complaint. It has been asked, "Can non Whites carry the torch of Western civilization?" Pire, you and I share a common ancestry of blood and history. We stand in the shade of protection our ancestors built for us - from the Greek Golden Age, to the Roman Republic, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment … our cultures are imbued with this history. The transmission is clear and we are the inheritors. A Somali or Algerian, for example, stands outside that transmission. That's not an insult, as they have their own transmission, it's just factual. Can they be, to use a Biblical phrase, grafted on? I do not know. Maybe. But I think the better, more pressing question is not *can* they take up the torch, but *will* they? For example multiple polls (and voting trends) tell us Middle Easterners, Blacks, and Hispanic immigrants by majority do not support our free speech laws. When the US white population becomes a voting minority, we will inevitably lose our Constitution. (far left groups such as Antifa are already calling for this) I think this is justifiable cause for concern, yes? Unless ofc you consider our Western tradition of Free Speech, which we trace back to the Agora, an archaic custom best done away with. Perhaps you do.

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I see both sides, and I would say that to french people who think france is not what it used to be.

some black people in the dom tom for example have been french for perhaps 10 generations or more.

Who can tell them they are not French ? And they should fit into the mold ? I would argue they are the mold too.

Btu can we have two molds ? That is the question nationalists must ask rhemselves

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well I don't know, pire, *are* they French? Precisely how many generations does it take to qualify? I recall Jefferson painstakingly calculating the percentage of white blood needed in a mulatto to expunge the black. When did my ancestors cease being English and begin being American? How many generations in did that change come about? Was it a difficult transformation? Was it complete? And what is this "French"? Is it citizenship alone? Is it language and customs? Is it blood? Surely it was blood once. France was a nation once, in the strictest sense - ie a tribe, a family, blood. What is it now? Can anyone be French? Can anyone be Japanese? Indian? Lakota?

posted February 24, 2019 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
This is specifically about british politics so some of it will be irrelevant but the title and the basic import oh so familiar..
http://youtu.be/-O2NsPioKBs

Separate but equal - part of the "good ole days", the reality of which has receded into the background.. remember Black Wall Street in Tulsa?

The left is far from alone in the "shock- outrage" over blackface etc.. 50 years after he left his little rural chapter of the KKK the conservative media and followers love to drag out "grand poobah" Robt Byrd to prove the" Dems are the real racists". .it was Hannity who "exposed" Kimmel for impersonating a black athlete in full body makeup...

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This man is as annoying as hell and I generally don't click when he comes up but centrism as "Thatcherism with diversity quotas" is fair and applies in the US as well. It's literally the worst of both worlds.

posted February 24, 2019 01:51 PM            

You portray the white culture as a something positive talking about greece, roman empire, renaissance and democracy.
We must also bear the heritage of colonialism, mass deportation of blacks and recently jews, genocides of the native american in north and south america, plus many many other ugly truth.
Religion wars between protestant and catholics, catolic church very oppressive ( very much like the isis nowadays) in the middle age until the 1950's or 1960's . Consider that Turkey gave the right to vote to woman before France, Benazir Bhutto prime minister of pakistan in 1988, a muslim country of 208 million people, Indira Gandhi prime minister of India in 1966 for 15 years, 1.3 billions people. In 1126, Averroes

posted February 24, 2019 03:33 PM            

Bussing, etc, created as many problems as it solved, if not more, short term, and gentrification has seen many lower income black neighborhoods overrun by deal seeking slightly higher income whites. And it's not just whites either. There is much tension between the black/ Hispanic/ Asian communities too

In the last couple of centuries even white European immigrants collected in separate communities, however they were able to integrate over time without being instantly identifiable as "other", still a huge problem for dark skinned peoples. In fact the white outsiders were also coopted by the establishment as LBJ famously summarized.

I agree that continuing victim mentality is counterproductive but put yourself in the position of a black parent.. or even white parent of a black child; do you warn them to be extra good and watchful in public for safety sake, or teach them that the policeman is their friend?

How scared was the establishment by Black Power? In most cases not nearly as militant as depicted, at a time when whites were a more solid majority, it was considered just as threatening or MORE as BLM/islam today. I recently saw the suggestion that gun control could be passed in a hot minute if black activists started heavily arming themselves again.. not far from truth!

If all were welcomed with open arms and not treated as invaders in a dog eat dog world, perhaps the culture issue would be seen in a more positive light. Im not talking about open borders but often the selection process is abused hence the heavy debate in how to enforce borders. White culture has borrowed heavily from all those it invaded. A native legend ascribes to the aggressive, exploring/ conquering white peoples the purpose of bringing all peoples together for a final unity on earth...

posted February 24, 2019 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You are very rational, AG. I'm glad to see you thinking for yourself instead of drinking the Kool-Aid.

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posted February 24, 2019 04:10 PM            

pire, you are echoing the Black victimization creed. Why?

posted February 24, 2019 04:20 PM            

The right are also supposedly victims of SJW's and "the left". Men are victims of feminists, etc, etc.

posted February 24, 2019 04:40 PM            

Perhaps if communities were more mixed you would know more mixed race in your immediate family.

posted February 24, 2019 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
The Kool-Aid is the far left agenda of hatred and attacking free speech by systematically going after all who disagree with their radical ideas of control.

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posted February 24, 2019 05:29 PM            

agreeing to agree
to disagree

posted February 24, 2019 05:37 PM            

giggling

posted February 24, 2019 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
We are supposedly victims of illegal immigrants. They take jobs that nobody else wants. Violence and crime wouldn't exist if we had THE wall.

The right are also supposedly victims of SJW's and "the left". Men are victims of feminists, etc, etc.

You're allowed to be a victim, if you're a man, or conservative, apparently.

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posted February 24, 2019 06:16 PM            

Keeping the order
Of the order
In order.

You know!?

posted February 24, 2019 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
I am not afraid Shura, I don’t entertain that type of fear. I would be proud to have a black/metis kid, and would not enjoy anyone treating him differently.

Perhaps if communities were more mixed you would know more mixed race in your immediate family.

Vive la France ! 🇫🇷🍷🥖😍

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Lol its nice that youre not afraid. Most Whites are not afraid, I'd say.
Fear is sometimes foolish and sometimes well founded. What is the French for "foolhardy"?

It is interesting that you say a black child should not be treated any "differently". This is the sort of thing a typical "privileged" white will say, and it is a stance often criticised among blacks. A black child *is* different and to suggest not is to erase that child's own heritage, his own ancestry, his own experience. It's an insult to say, "I don't see color." It erases identity. There are a few recovery type groups organized for Black and Asian children adopted by Whites exploring these subjects that you might look into.

posted February 24, 2019 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
This about explains the koolaid metaphor. All rot your gut 🤣😉
http://koolaidflavors.iba-ju.com/91-kool-aid-flavor/

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posted February 24, 2019 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
I cant speak for repubs or the average conservative but I would agree that there is too much whining on the Right. That said, victimhood is a qhole other matter and not a cultural trend among Whites. Possibly for the simple reason that it is not profitable.

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posted February 24, 2019 08:27 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
It's a trend when people want to complain about minorities or women getting supposed special treatment, when certain policies were put in place because they had no chance in the past. Or when men think they're being targeted and in trouble, because women have boundaries.

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1) no, it's not a trend. Show me the White advocacy groups serving this imaginary White victimhood. I want to see their media time, their public profile, their donation numbers etc. And I want it comparable to that of SPLC, ACLU, NAACP. You can't do that because they do not exist.

2) That's damn insulting to successful pre Civil Rights Blacks. Are you suggesting Blacks and women are incapable of success without the benefit of equal outcome policies??? Seriously? Damn, girl, that's hardcore alt right lol

3) Or when men think they're being targeted and in trouble, because women have boundaries.
I genuinely do not know what this means.

posted February 24, 2019 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
If black people are asked to be in peace ( if I get hotep right ) after a history of slavery, and around 11 millions shipped by europeans to America, then white people should not be listened to when complaining ( as a community, not individually ) about their fairly recent loss of social dominance (roughly the 60's)

You portray the white culture as a something positive talking about greece, roman empire, renaissance and democracy.
We must also bear the heritage of colonialism, mass deportation of blacks and recently jews, genocides of the native american in north and south america, plus many many other ugly truth.
Religion wars between protestant and catholics, catolic church very oppressive ( very much like the isis nowadays) in the middle age until the 1950's or 1960's . Consider that Turkey gave the right to vote to woman before France, Benazir Bhutto prime minister of pakistan in 1988, a muslim country of 208 million people, Indira Gandhi prime minister of India in 1966 for 15 years, 1.3 billions people. In 1126, Averroes

To compare, let's not have a prejudice

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posted February 24, 2019 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

You're allowed to be a victim, if you're a man, or conservative, apparently.

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And if there is an issue that affects both genders, the media always focuses on how the said issue affects women.

For example, I recall a college football coach getting blasted by the media because he admitted that he (partly) based his hiring decisions on the physical attractiveness of the candidates' wives or girlfriends when he was interviewing for new assistant coaches.

His reasoning was that the skills it took to get hot women were the skills one needed to be a successful football recruiter.

What was the media's whole angle on this? They ranted about how he was objectifying women, along with the other usual talking points.

Were their points valid in this case? Sure. He was without a doubt objectifying women in a sense. However, there was also a male side to the issue that nobody talked about.

The issue is he admitted to discriminating against men who weren't successful with women. Literally no media outlets discussed that angle. I didn't see any of them talking about qualified men being potentially passed over for jobs because women didn't find them attractive.

I also didn't hear any of them pointing out the absurdity of his claim to begin with. Nobody pointed out that success with women doesn't correlate to success in a job or vice versa. There are plenty of unemployed losers who can get hot babes and successful professionals who are perpetually dateless. But nobody talked about that.

Instead, they gave us the same b***sh** they spew ad nauseam.

Most mainstream conservative politicians dont really take up the banner of men's issues either.

Even churches have become gynocentric. I went to a Father's Day service a few years ago and the message was putting men down and basically telling us we suck. It was completely different in tone from Mother's Day services I have went to. Those were actually about honoring mothers.