posted April 30, 2019 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I am unaware of any of that--if it's even true, which I highly doubt. But what I did see was the baby killers in New York celebrating the late-term abortion bill with cheers. Might I suggest that Georgia baby killers move there? You're welcome.

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posted April 30, 2019 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I am unaware of any of that--if it's even true, which I highly doubt. But what I did see was the baby killers in New York celebrating the late-term abortion bill with cheers. Might I suggest that Georgia baby killers move there? You're welcome.

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posted April 30, 2019 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Please note that the above is the main point of my argument.

However, also note that I am overall supportive of the bill, after reviewing it a little closer. Women should not be utilizing abortion as a form of birth control, but certain exceptions which I felt were required were made with this bill.

So arguing about it is kind of a moot point at this time, now isn't it?

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My mother had an abortion, when she was pregnant with the baby of a sociopath who was driving her crazy. She had initially wanted the baby, but he had her barely able to take care of me and my sister. We were almost without a mother, because of him.

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I'm sorry, that's awful. I can understand why you feel the way that you do about abortion.

posted May 02, 2019 08:01 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Have we all forgotten Linda Goodman's Lexigram on Abortions?

NOT A SIN.

Maximum Theologians agree that the Soul enters the Foetus between 5th to 7th month.

Such rules are just to oppress women, and take away their productive lives for the mistakes of men who refuse protection.

Old Fashioned Patriarchy IMHO.

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That no one who claims to support this bill has come forward to also state they are willing to have their tax dollars going to social services to support the lives they saved tells me everything I need to know.

posted May 02, 2019 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:
He who does not work, does not eat.

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That might be the cruelest thing I've ever read on Lindaland. Are you honestly going to tell a hungry child or a disabled adult that?

posted May 02, 2019 01:20 PM            

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That might be the cruelest thing I've ever read on Lindaland. Are you honestly going to tell a hungry child or a disabled adult that?

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that might be the most ignorant thing I've ever read on Lindaland. And let me tell you, it has some tough competition.

This is Captain John Smith, leader of the Jamestown Virginia colony ...

"You must obey this now for a law, that he that will not work shall not eat (except by sickness he be disabled). For the labors of thirty or forty honest and industrious men shall not be consumed to maintain a hundred and fifty idle loitere"

Perhaps difficult to wrap our heads around the notion now, but this community minded work ethic was once considered an ideological foundation stone of the US. Crazy, huh?

Smith was citing a quote from St Paul's Thessalonians ...

"In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

St Paul was referencing an older Jewish proverb.

Also, interesting to note that "He who does not work …." was a favorite saying of Lenin.

posted May 02, 2019 02:38 PM            

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that might be the most ignorant thing I've ever read on Lindaland. And let me tell you, it has some tough competition.

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Compassion is not a trait of ignorance.

posted May 02, 2019 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I have no problem with my tax dollars being spent to help babies. We already fund the killing of babies. And we send billions to countries that despise us. We should keep that money at home.

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posted May 02, 2019 08:13 PM            

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Compassion is not a trait of ignorance.

And there is a reason that we no longer live in the same society that existed during colonization. We have evolved as a society - both Democrats and Republicans. I'm not interested in promoting outdated notions from that time.

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posted May 02, 2019 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
That no one who claims to support this bill has come forward to also state they are willing to have their tax dollars going to social services to support the lives they saved tells me everything I need to know.

Concern for life only when it's encased in a woman's womb is patriarchy run amok. And I say that as someone who actually enjoys many aspects of patriarchy.

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posted May 02, 2019 08:16 PM            

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that might be the most ignorant thing I've ever read on Lindaland. And let me tell you, it has some tough competition.

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posted May 03, 2019 12:05 AM            

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mhmmm. right. Hard work. Community. Combined effort. Liberty. Self actualization and self responsibility. Such archaic notions! What we have in the current year is surely an improvement. I love living in a civilization on the downswing, dont you?

Ignorance of the past and self righteous pseudo compassion are killing us.

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Well considering we no longer burn witches at the stake for practicing magic, I think we're on the upswing, actually.

With a sense of community and combined effort is this idea of taking care of your neighbors. Not sure what type of community you live in, but in mine we take food to the sick and the elderly. We definitely don't go knock on their door and tell them that if they don't work, they won't eat. Reasonable people might call that compassion, taking care of our own, and not leaving someone behind just because they cannot contribute in the traditional sense.

I would also call banning abortion an act of compassion for unborn children. Keep in mind that methods to abort pregnancies have existed since before the times of colonization...should we hold on to that one, too?

posted May 03, 2019 12:45 AM            

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I have no problem with my tax dollars being spent to help babies.

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I am glad to hear that.

posted May 03, 2019 04:37 PM            

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Well considering we no longer burn witches at the stake for practicing magic, I think we're on the upswing, actually.

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This tired trope? That's your litmus test? Good grief. yeah lets drag out notes from day one Women's History 101 class. Meanwhile our governments torture and maim and kill in secret, under, at best, sham courts that would make Cotton Mather blush.

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With a sense of community and combined effort is this idea of taking care of your neighbors. Not sure what type of community you live in, but in mine we take food to the sick and the elderly. We definitely don't go knock on their door and tell them that if they don't work, they won't eat. Reasonable people might call that compassion, taking care of our own, and not leaving someone behind just because they cannot contribute in the traditional sense.

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Hold up for a minute on the virtue signalling and reread the quote you didnt recognize.

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I would also call banning abortion an act of compassion for unborn children. Keep in mind that methods to abort pregnancies have existed since before the times of colonization...should we hold on to that one, too?

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Abortion has always existed and likely always will. Glamorizing abortion is a modern phenomenon. Here is the decay. How are you blind to this sea change?

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Like I said, there's a reason we live in a different society now. Yes, we still have things that need to be improved and fixed. But overall, our quality of life is 1000% times better than it was back then. We have kept the good parts and discarded the bad, for the most part. If a person really thinks that things were better back during colonization or that we should still live as if we were alive during that time, then they may not have a read a US history book at any point during the last 50 years. They might also live under a rock.

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oof. If you suggest the Godless degenerate nihilistic society we live in, with its skyrocketing suicides, addictions, and mental illness, with its plummeting birthrates and vanishing middle class, where pedophilia and porn are normalized, where women flaunt their abortions, where neglected children left to an uncaring nanny state become aimless, rootless adults, where the vulgar, dumbed down masses gorge on pop culture and vicarious violence, removed from and ignorant of any semblance of natural order - if all this is an improvement, or even acceptable, in your eyes, because, hey, there's netflix night and uber eats and cheap flights to Disney, I will question your sanity and your conscience.
And so Rome fell.

posted May 05, 2019 09:07 PM            

Also, my reference to the Salem Witch trials had nothing to do with women's lib. It was a reference to the puritan, savage belief system of your treasured time period.