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Topic: Alabama Tells Georgia: "Hold My Beer."
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 1973
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 28, 2019 08:59 AM
  
I think the very convenient point made by this case is that women can be prosecuted for child abuse/neglect/endangerment of their unborn child as they would a born child. ie your baby is born with fetal alchohol syndrome. Your obgyn, a mandated reporter, alerts police who then arrest you for child abuse.Obviously this woman is a complete piece of shiiit, but was it determined she knowingly put her baby in danger? You might be thinking well duh, but look at her. She is not operating at full capacity. There are cultural differences to consider as well.
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6674
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 03, 2019 10:09 PM
Not sure why it is obvious to you that she is a piece of **** - a single photograph and claims that she started an argument while pregnant? - but the case has been dropped by the prosecutors. In what world does a pregnant woman need to live to meet your standard of motherhood? Stay indoors knitting for nine months so as not to upset anyone enough to shoot you? Perhaps she should just move to a better neighborhood? Pffft!The fact is you don't know much about the facts do you?; but getting into an argument is not intentional murder of a fetus. Apparently even in Alabama that is a step too far. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
Knowflake Posts: 2718
From: Welcome to Mercury
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted July 04, 2019 08:37 AM
Being held responsible for your actions is called being accountable. Nobody expects a pregnant woman to stay indoors for 9 months. But when you go looking for trouble (like starting a fight) you shouldn't be a surprise when trouble comes to find you - and I'm not talking about the shooting, but the fact some law enforcement, somewhere, saw her actions for what they were.It just seems to me that if it were me, I wouldn't want to risk harming my baby all for an argument that could obviously escalate to something much worse. But you know, common sense is hard to come by these days. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 1973
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 04, 2019 10:41 AM
Cat the live and let live hippie bs is really old now.IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 118079
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 04, 2019 02:38 PM
Since she started the fight, she is the proximate cause of the harm to her child ("but for" her starting the fight, her baby would not have died), so the charge was within the law in ANY state. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6674
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 05, 2019 04:59 PM
And it - all charges - have been dropped. Maybe what was reported was not the full story? But feel free to cast your verdict of course!🙃 not that any self respecting court would allow jurors who say things like " obviously she's a piece of $hit" -and agree that arguing with a rival while pregnant is intentional murder of her baby. It is most important to have An Opinion!IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 118079
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 05, 2019 07:31 PM
The charges being dropped doesn't mean that they weren't legitimately based upon the law. The prosecutor probably thought a jury wouldn't convict. Locally, a clerk at a convenience store was robbed. The clerk then grabbed his gun and chased the robber into an alley and shot him dead near a dumpster and never reported the incident. That's murder. But he was never charged, because no jury would have convicted the clerk. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 1973
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 07, 2019 01:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
And it - all charges - have been dropped. Maybe what was reported was not the full story? But feel free to cast your verdict of course!🙃 not that any self respecting court would allow jurors who say things like " obviously she's a piece of $hit" -and agree that arguing with a rival while pregnant is [b]intentional murder of her baby. It is most important to have An Opinion![/B]
Yes indeed cat it is important to have an opinion. *Your own* opinion. Born from *your* experience, *your* antipathies and sympathies, *your* nature. An opinion is a reflection of self. Refine opinion and refine self. The alternative is we allow the authorities to handle these messy situations without interference, we allow propaganda to form our thoughts. Be a good slave, cat. You dont need an opinion. I wouldn't have convicted the piece of shiiit for murder. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
Knowflake Posts: 2718
From: Welcome to Mercury
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted July 07, 2019 05:03 PM
It may not have been intentional, but it was definitely negligent.IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6674
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 08, 2019 11:44 AM
Nothing wrong with opinions, shura, it just helps to know something before forming them. For instance, those who knock the media hardest tend to think "their" media is somehow different, and judge the subjects of media loops without demanding actual facts beyond he said she said. The need to be seen to have an opinion is more important than discerning what that opinion is based on, that is true slavery. And no worries, you would not have been chosen as a juror by any decent prosecutor or defense. You have closed the case before hearing it. Congrats IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 12844
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 08, 2019 01:26 PM
Amazing, and just what I expected, but still jaw-dropping, which is why I only just clicked back here. Cat.  IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 12844
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 08, 2019 01:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Being held responsible for your actions is called being accountable. Nobody expects a pregnant woman to stay indoors for 9 months. But when you go looking for trouble (like starting a fight) you shouldn't be a surprise when trouble comes to find you - and I'm not talking about the shooting, but the fact some law enforcement, somewhere, saw her actions for what they were.It just seems to me that if it were me, I wouldn't want to risk harming my baby all for an argument that could obviously escalate to something much worse. But you know, common sense is hard to come by these days.
Are you serious? quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
And it - all charges - have been dropped. Maybe what was reported was not the full story? But feel free to cast your verdict of course!🙃 not that any self respecting court would allow jurors who say things like " obviously she's a piece of $hit" -and agree that arguing with a rival while pregnant is [b]intentional murder of her baby. It is most important to have An Opinion![/B]
Yep, all charges were dropped. Some common sense is prevailing with this, and Ohio law, where the heartbeat bill was blocked by the courts. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 1973
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 08, 2019 09:10 PM
I would ruthlessly question anyone invested in "their" media. Further, the notion that facts may be demanded and received is sort of endearing but also archaic. World doesn't work like that anymore, cat. However, you may successfully demand a narrative.I'm thrilled to see "discerning" in your post. But can we follow that trail? IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
Knowflake Posts: 2718
From: Welcome to Mercury
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted July 12, 2019 08:54 AM
@teaselI'm 100% serious. What about holding people responsible for their actions do you find jaw-dropping? IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
Knowflake Posts: 2718
From: Welcome to Mercury
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted July 12, 2019 09:03 AM
Actually, THIS is a fine example of where I disagree with the far left leaning part of my own party. There seems to be a huge group of Democrats who were somehow raised to believe that they can do illegal things and not have to deal with the consequences. Or that they won't have to deal with the consequences of their poor decision making. Sorry, that's not how the world works. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 118079
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2019 09:55 AM
quote:
Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Actually, THIS is a fine example of where I disagree with the far left leaning part of my own party. There seems to be a huge group of Democrats who were somehow raised to believe that they can do illegal things and not have to deal with the consequences. Or that they won't have to deal with the consequences of their poor decision making. Sorry, that's not how the world works.
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6674
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 12, 2019 11:30 AM
There's a little concept called due process, which seems totally irrelevant around here. As is the willingness to admit not knowing everything. Good night! Sweet dreams 😘IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 1973
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 12, 2019 11:46 AM
quote:
Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Actually, THIS is a fine example of where I disagree with the far left leaning part of my own party. There seems to be a huge group of Democrats who were somehow raised to believe that they can do illegal things and not have to deal with the consequences. Or that they won't have to deal with the consequences of their poor decision making. Sorry, that's not how the world works.
Oh they're more than fine with consequences. But those consequences are only for particular crimes and apply only to a particular group of people. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6674
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 12, 2019 12:02 PM
This story is very possibly apocryphal but succinctOnce, as I walked into the ladies’ room at a restaurant near my home, a woman came out of the single stall. We smiled at each other, and, as I closed the door, she began to sing and wash her hands. “What a lovely voice!” I thought. Then, as I heard her leave, I noticed that the toilet seat was dripping wet. “How could anyone be so rude?” I thought. “And how did she manage to pee all over the seat? Was she standing on it?” Then it came to me that she was a man - a transvestite, singing falsetto in the women’s restroom. It crossed my mind to go after her (him) and let him know what a mess he’d made. As I cleaned the toilet seat, I thought about everything I’d say to him. Then I flushed the toilet. The water shot up out of the bowl and flooded the seat. And I just stood there laughing.” IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
Knowflake Posts: 2718
From: Welcome to Mercury
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted July 12, 2019 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
Oh they're more than fine with consequences. But those consequences are only for particular crimes and apply only to a particular group of people.
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6674
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 17, 2019 01:48 PM
Hardly unique to Dems. After all, it's apparently perfectly ok for the Prez to suggest that duly elected congresspeople are out of order attempting to influence how the country is governed. Both sides dropped this ball!Anyone think it would be acceptable to tell Lindsey Graham or Mitch McConnell to go back to their "broken" country of origin? How about Donny, whose mother was a penniless immigrant herself? Azif! But it's perfectly ok to judge a person's character on an admittedly barebones news report. Edit. Oops! Almost forgot 🤣 IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 13564
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 17, 2019 02:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
Hardly unique to Dems. After all, it's apparently perfectly ok for the Prez to suggest that duly elected congresspeople are out of order attempting to influence how the country is governed. Both sides dropped this ball!Anyone think it would be acceptable to tell Lindsey Graham or Mitch McConnell to go back to their "broken" country of origin? How about Donny, whose mother was a penniless immigrant herself? Azif! But it's perfectly ok to judge a person's character on an admittedly barebones news report. Edit. Oops! Almost forgot 🤣
Get back to us when McConnell, Graham or Mrs. Trump starts spouting off about how unjust, impure, oppressive, racist and generally worthless America is. I'll be one of the first to tell them to pack their junk and move the hell out of America. For now, it's the America hating leftist loons who need to get the hell out and look for greener pastures. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6674
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 17, 2019 03:55 PM
No one said America was worthless. Elected lawmakers called for humane treatment and systemic change in detention camps. They criticized the president for singling them out as "foreign" because he' can't handle them criticizing his administration. It is highly likely that Grampa Trump was the object of similar invitations.. why do you think the family name was anglicized? If he can't handle lawmakers trying to influence legislation, or being criticized for parrotting one of the oldest ethnic insults on the books, perhaps he should go back to Germany or Scotland, places he is proud to claim roots in while criticizing their governments? IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6674
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 17, 2019 04:17 PM
Yeah, Twitter.Now there's a really credible source. Christian Sharia? Bullshiiite!
You people are embarrassing!
- jwhop
Twitter is perhaps the number one source for direct quotes from your Don.
Substitute "communists" for Christian sharia". Pot. Kettle. Black.
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 1973
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 17, 2019 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Hardly unique to Dems. After all, it's apparently perfectly ok for the Prez to suggest that duly elected congresspeople are out of order attempting to influence how the country is governed. Both sides dropped this ball!Anyone think it would be acceptable to tell Lindsey Graham or Mitch McConnell to go back to their "broken" country of origin? How about Donny, whose mother was a penniless immigrant herself? Azif! But it's perfectly ok to judge a person's character on an admittedly barebones news report. Edit. Oops! Almost forgot 🤣
Cat, you humorless old lady, did I say it was unique to Dems? No, I did not. Make the connection between Trump suggesting the Somali show a little gratitude and the Left's selective "morality" because I don't see it. Ok. Graham and McConnell are from where? Are their ethnic homelands failed atates comparable to Somalia? Are they insulting the foundation and threatening the safety of these United States? If so, they're no better than Omar and they can both pisss off. Are you new here? You cant possibly think I'm in a mood to defend rinos IP: Logged |
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