posted May 19, 2019 07:49 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
That sounds reasonable to me. I heard some states were considering abortion after birth which I don't agree with, unless they have determined the baby will die soon like you are saying and is suffering a lot but I would consider that euthanasia, not an abortion. I guess the language used is misleading then.

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NY did pass the law. It's legal in that state to perform abortion up until birth. One day after? Capital murder. One day prior? Legal. It's sickening. We have 2 extremes in this country. One being NY and the other Alabama. People try to justify the NY law because they dont understand the way it's written. It's the health of the mother OR if the baby isnt viable. So if you and your doctor agree you're unhealthy in any way, your doctor can perform a 3rd trimester abortion. Just as bad as Alabama imo. Not to mention now that abortion is stripped from the penal code, men who beat their partners and cause miscarriages cant be punished for the loss of the baby.

posted May 19, 2019 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Since this thread has moved away from Astrology, I'm moving it to GU.

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posted May 19, 2019 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
NY did pass the law. It's legal in that state to perform abortion up until birth. One day after? Capital murder. One day prior? Legal. It's sickening. We have 2 extremes in this country. One being NY and the other Alabama. People try to justify the NY law because they dont understand the way it's written. It's the health of the mother OR if the baby isnt viable. So if you and your doctor agree you're unhealthy in any way, your doctor can perform a 3rd trimester abortion. Just as bad as Alabama imo. Not to mention now that abortion is stripped from the penal code, men who beat their partners and cause miscarriages cant be punished for the loss of the baby.

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Men aren't being punished for it, anyway.

posted May 19, 2019 03:17 PM            

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Men aren't being punished for

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Man in WV was just last month charged with murder for beating a woman until she miscarried. Many other examples.

posted May 19, 2019 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Man in WV was just last month charged with murder for beating a woman until she miscarried. Many other examples.

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Where are their punishments for raping girls and women? Where are their punishments for dropping women off to get the abortions that women will be punished for? And have done in the past? I still remember that one woman who was raped and beaten by her husband, commenting that he kept her tied to him for years, by getting her pregnant, and she couldn't have an abortion. She finally got away from him - but spousal rape is legal in this State, and several others.

Where is the concern for the women who will die, when they have to try an alternative way to abort, rather than the safest way? There is no concern for their life.

posted May 19, 2019 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Where are their punishments for raping girls and women?

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WV man is also charged with kidnapping and sexual assault.

posted May 20, 2019 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

And once again, people aren't out looking to murder babies. They aren't happily waiting until the third trimester, to butcher a baby, or until it's born, so that they can watch it breathe by itself, cry, and then *wham* kill it. It's amazing what you will believe, or pretend to believe, just to push your own beliefs onto the rest of us - to push it into law.

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posted May 20, 2019 11:37 PM            

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Not only that but there has always been two sides to this argument. Everyone's focus is in the wrong place. Back in January, pro-lifers were flooding my social media. Now it's the pro-choicers. Do you think either of them care about the other's issues? They only care about fighting for their own cause. I swear I'm smarter than most people lol because I see the truth. It's all about division. My side is right and you're on the wrong side. No one is fighting for middle ground. In a perfect world, Congress would be that middle ground. That's where government is failing.

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posted May 20, 2019 11:39 PM            

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This has always been very misguided logic to me. That's like making murder legal because "no one will do it" 🤦🏻‍♀️. There are some extremely sick people out there and very selfish women. Abortion in the 3rd trimester should only be about saving the life of the mother or if the baby is nonviable/ will suffer. Otherwise why not emergency c-section? Abortion and emergency c-section are two completely different things, and I promise one does not take longer than the other (I've experienced both). There is no medical reason to kill a baby in the 3rd trimester therefore there is no reason it should be legal.

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posted May 21, 2019 06:25 AM            

It's a women's responsibility to
use birth control..if birth control
fails..then what?
Guess that child needs to be born..

No more death!

posted May 21, 2019 09:39 AM            

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You think a doctor, and/or a woman who has waited that long, would happily kill an actual baby? No, I don't see it. They would have to have a good reason for it.

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I see doctors write prescriptions every day to feed their patients habits. I've heard of women aborting babies because they didnt get the gender they desired. I watched the leaked video with the planned parenthood reps discussing how much money each aborted body part is worth. When money is involved, morality goes out the window. I know we would like to believe the world lives up to the same standards we do, but sadly, it's just not true.

The NY law is written in a way that's too subjective. "Woman's health" is too vague. Psychological? Physical? Emotional? So if let's say I'm overweight, that can be justified according to this law.

posted May 21, 2019 01:07 PM            

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When my ex husband was tested to see if he would be able to donate a piece of his liver to our six month old son who was rapidly declining, a large part of the process was psychological. Because if they felt that he was, in any way, reluctant to go through with the medical procedure that would save our son's life, he would be denied. He was given several opportunities to bow out of the process gracefully. If he had, they would have told me that he was not a viable match and would never have revealed that he simply didn't want to do it. Without his liver, my son would have died. He didn't have time to wait for a cadaveric donor. But, in this country, we don't force people to sacrifice their physical and mental well-being in order to save someone else's life. If no one was willing to donate, he would have passed away.
If a good Samaritan wants to donate a kidney or a piece of liver to someone, the process takes well over a month and includes a 30 day "cooling off" period in case they filled out the paperwork in a fit of passion and then had second thoughts later on. Even if the intended recipient only has two weeks to live - they will simply not take the graft. They are beyond careful about even the slightest possibility that you may not be 100 percent on board with the sacrifice you are in the position to make.
To the best of my knowledge, the only residual effects my ex husband has from having donated a fifth of his liver is a 6 inch scar. The residual effects of my having had two babies is considerably more substantial. My body never completely recovered.
I don't care when life begins in your opinion. We don't force people to sacrifice their mental and/or physical well-being in order to save someone else.

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posted May 21, 2019 03:20 PM            

Abortion= termination of baby's life
C-section= emergency termination of pregnancy

What you referenced in your post was a choice to save or not save a child's life. Totally respectable, although as a parent I could never NOT try and save my child's life (but I recognize that's my own opinion) Not the same thing as purposefully ending a life= murder. A justified metaphor would be if the parents euthanized their baby because they couldn't handle the mental toll the baby's health problems were taking on them.

And on the subject of mental health- you don't think people use mental health as an excuse all the time? I have a friend who tells his doctor he can't focus just so he can maintain a prescription to Adderall. Then there's several more I can think of who say they're in pain because they're addicted to pain pills.

I'm pro-choice, but in following this topic, I have not once seen a doctor give a justifiable medical reason for termination of a baby's life in the third trimester vs emergency c-section. If mental health doesn't hold up in murder trials, then it shouldn't for abortion either.

On the subject of Republicans, I don't know why any party feels the way they do? Alabama is just as bad as NY imo. Both are too far swung in either direction. And I also think AL's heartbeat bill is a direct result of what NY accomplished.

posted May 21, 2019 03:49 PM            

..thus with a beating heart
and soul, that is a LIFE = FILE...

posted May 21, 2019 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
And once again, people aren't out looking to murder babies. They aren't happily waiting until the third trimester, to butcher a baby, or until it's born, so that they can watch it breathe by itself, cry, and then *wham* kill it. It's amazing what you will believe, or pretend to believe, just to push your own beliefs onto the rest of us - to push it into law.

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Some people are. Just because the majority may not be abusing the right to have an abortion, doesn't meant that all of them aren't. For example, I have known several women who utilize abortions as a form of BC. Then there's the women that have one because they don't like the gender of the baby or they had genetic tests (which aren't 100% accurate) and didn't want a disabled child.

The percentage of women who require an abortion because their baby isn't viable is tiny. Those are the exceptions - the woman who shows up to have her US and finds out that her baby has not developed an essential part of their anatomy (brain, heart, etc.) - which happens, but it is extremely rare.

posted May 21, 2019 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:

It's sad that we're at a place as a society that we require bills to be passed to tell us to do the right thing.

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Quite.

In my lifetime, we have gone from shameful abortions to regrettable abortions to abortions as a badge of honor.

posted May 21, 2019 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Some people are. Just because the majority may not be abusing the right to have an abortion, doesn't meant that all of them aren't. For example, I have known several women who utilize abortions as a form of BC. Then there's the women that have one because they don't like the gender of the baby or they had genetic tests (which aren't 100% accurate) and didn't want a disabled child.

The percentage of women who require an abortion because their baby isn't viable is tiny. Those are the exceptions - the woman who shows up to have her US and finds out that her baby has not developed an essential part of their anatomy (brain, heart, etc.) - which happens, but it is extremely rare.

It's sad that we're at a place as a society that we require bills to be passed to tell us to do the right thing.

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posted May 22, 2019 01:00 PM            

One thing is almost certain. In every abortion, someone dies.

NY Times: ‘Pregnancy Kills. Abortion Saves Lives’
THOMAS D. WILLIAMS, PH.D.
22 May 2019

The New York Times has launched a full-court press on behalf of the abortion industry with an op-ed titled: “Pregnancy Kills. Abortion Saves Lives.”

Written by Warren M. Hern, who specializes in performing late-term abortions, the article asserts that every pregnancy poses a “serious health risk” to the mother.
http://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/05/22/ny-times-pregnancy-kills-abortion-saves-lives/