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shura
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posted May 28, 2019 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
And this wasn't what PP was about.


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posted May 28, 2019 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"You know I'm not about killing babies, you sociopath. And this wasn't what PP was about"

You must be insane.

Killing babies is exactly what Planned Parenthood is about...and what PP was about in the past. Let me be more precise.

Killing babies for money and harvesting their body parts to sell is exactly what Planned Parenthood is about and always was about.


She's not about gassing Jews, jwhop. That's not what the National Socialists were all about. It's just that Jews weren't fully human yet, plus they were super inconvenient. Germans had a right to decide who lives within their own borders.

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Randall
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posted May 28, 2019 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Planned" Parenthood is aptly named for the organization that has its roots in genocide and has nothing to do with birth control or cancer screening but has everything to do with ripping the limbs off babies in the womb, because live body parts fetch more money and supports their baby killing quota.

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teasel
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posted May 29, 2019 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.salon.com/2019/05/29/clarence-thomas-makes-it-clear-the-right-is-coming-for-birth-control-next/

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ballerina
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posted May 29, 2019 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ballerina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enough..

Stem cell research..
Embryos in labs..do
you have any idea of
the big picture...

Abortion is murder, that
fetus feels that death!
How dare you!?

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teasel
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posted May 29, 2019 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ballerina:
Enough..

Stem cell research..
Embryos in labs..do
you have any idea of
the big picture...

Abortion is murder, that
fetus feels that death!
How dare you!?


Wrong, and how dare you?

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ballerina
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posted May 29, 2019 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ballerina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
..it was shone to me..
that human life feels it!!!

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All my love, with all my Heart
lotusheartone/Emeraldopal

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posted May 29, 2019 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ballerina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just an ant..stepped on..
as a tadpole used for bait..

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All my love, with all my Heart
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posted May 29, 2019 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ballerina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand there are
Exceptions..

..it must be done from
Higher Consciousness..
naturally..within the
Universal Laws...

Working with God Source...

P.S. remember..i had an
abortion when i was 19, i
have regretted ever since,
how selfish..a gift from
God. ...

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ballerina
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posted May 29, 2019 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ballerina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember LibraSparkle and
I talking about this issue..
she did not believe in abortion..killing a life..
She opted for the baby being
adopted..self sacrifice..for
that human gift of Life...
Adopted children..you just
have no idea how special you
are! You are Love!

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posted May 30, 2019 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
A child hated by his mother, that is a murder too, albeit a slower one than that.

They have so many options, other than abortion.

They can give it up for adoption.

They can drop the baby off at a fire station, no questions asked, in many states.

Or, perhaps, they can be more careful with their decisions to begin with. They can take BC, or obtain Plan B. Heck, you can order BC ONLINE these days. And they can always abstain.

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posted May 30, 2019 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
They have so many options, other than abortion.

They can give it up for adoption.

They can drop the baby off at a fire station, no questions asked, in many states.

Or, perhaps, they can be more careful with their decisions to begin with. They can take BC, or obtain Plan B. Heck, you can order BC ONLINE these days. And they can always abstain.


And what about the republicans wanting to get rid of birth control? What about when it doesn't work? My cousin got pregnant thanks to a broken condom.

I just keep thinking of my mother, and that I'm glad she didn't have to go through what women here are going to have to go through (and little girls), when she was already a mess and devastated. I will stand by her choice every time. Her right to that choice, too.

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posted May 30, 2019 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which Republicans want to get rid of birth control? Anyone who chooses to have sex with someone should ask themselves, "Would this person make a good parent?" No sex is safe sex. Abstinence is a valid choice.

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posted May 30, 2019 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Which Republicans want to get rid of birth control? Anyone who chooses to have sex with someone should ask themselves, "Would this person make a good parent?" No sex is safe sex. Abstinence is a valid choice.

Because sex is only about making babies?

There are Republicans out there who want to do away with birth control. There are people who also refuse to fulfill prescriptions for it, due to their beliefs. If you want to "should" all over something, you can add religious people who get into careers like that, and then refuse to follow through on doing their job.

Why don't republicans want anything other than abstinence to be taught in sex education?

Why are they hell-bent on destroying places like Planned Parenthood, where girls and women can get health care, and birth control, when they can't afford to get it anywhere else? A friend of mine found out that she had cancer, thanks to a visit to PP, when she was younger.

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posted May 30, 2019 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcch icago.com/news/local/Baby-Found-in-Dumpster-After-Pedestrian-Hears-Crying-CFD-509611451.html%3famp=y

Abortions are legal in Chicago. The so called Moses laws are in effect. ie A mother may abandon her baby at a fire station, police station, or hospital without fear of legal repercussion. As always, adoption is an option. Birth control is inexpensive and readily available. And yet, despite these legal alternatives, despite allowing women all the 'choice' she demands, we still see reluctant mothers quite literally throwing away their unwanted babies. This case isnt a one off ofc.

The issue is deeper than abortion alone.

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posted May 30, 2019 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or this lady, who threw her baby down a ravine, called police and told them that someone kidnapped her baby.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/asheville-baby-kidn apping-claim-unravels-police-say-mother-krista-madden-tossed-girl-down-ravine/

FYI abortions were legal in NC up until the 20 week mark. Just this past week, they lifted that limitation altogether. I hope they join Georgia and Alabama in their abortion bans.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article230814299.html

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posted May 31, 2019 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Anyone who chooses to have sex with someone should ask themselves, "Would this person make a good parent?" No sex is safe sex. Abstinence is a valid choice.

Yes, thank you!

Abortion is not and should not be a form of birth control. It's time for people to start asking themselves the common sense questions they should've been asking all along.

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posted May 31, 2019 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And in liberal Ashville of all places.

Again, I believe the root of the issue is deeper than the act of abortion. Similar to the root of the school shooting epidemic being deeper than gun control.

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posted May 31, 2019 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Yes, thank you!

Abortion is not and should not be a form of birth control. It's time for people to start asking themselves the common sense questions they should've been asking all along.


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posted May 31, 2019 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
And in liberal Ashville of all places.

Again, I believe the root of the issue is deeper than the act of abortion. Similar to the root of the school shooting epidemic being deeper than gun control.


Yeah, and the mother is a nurse anesthetist at the local hospital. The dad is a surgeon. So there has to be something much deeper happening here.

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posted May 03, 2022 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i think it's funny that people think overturning roe vs wade would just affect abortion rather than seeing the bigger picture and the effect it would have on privacy

the fine print there is what actually matters

edit: i don't care if chicks want abortions i dont think that should have anything to do with the government either, but the bigger issue with roe vs wade that people ignore is the rights to privacy that came with it that would be overturned along with abortion


I knew I had a thread about this, only I thought it was recent. Dumuzi, this is something that was discussed at the time, and is at the forefront of it all now. Has been for months. That this is bad enough (the erosion of these rights), but some republicans want to go after things like gay marriage - or any gay rights - and inter-racial marriage.

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posted May 03, 2022 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, where are all of the MY BODY MY CHOICE people now??? Wearing a mask is the worst thing ever, but forcing women into motherhood is just fine. Little girls, too. Even when they've been raped.

Y'allqaeda.

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posted May 03, 2022 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
Quite.

In my lifetime, we have gone from shameful abortions to regrettable abortions to abortions as a badge of honor.

Women were entrusted with a profound responsibility of far reaching consequences. Too many have shown themselves unable to bear it.


Interesting. I would see it as, if a woman chooses to have an abortion, she is accepting sole responsibility for the consequences of her actions by acknowledging that the alternative (ensuring the survival and development of a life other than your own, consciously, for decades) seems unbearable. Who could possibly be better equipped to make such a decision? Re: the history of Planned Parenthood and eugenics, and some of the worst-case scenarios you mentioned around the question of who decides who’s fit to be a parent, I was amazed to discover that in my state, it’s illegal for a doctor to perform a tubal ligation on a woman under the age of 32 unless she already has at least one child. Crazy, huh? That an 18-year-old can join the military, vote, or take out a loan for college, but in the eyes of the law it takes almost twice as long for a woman to be considered mature enough to decide that she doesn’t want to experience pregnancy?

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posted May 03, 2022 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 03, 2022 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chanterelle:
Interesting. I would see it as, if a woman chooses to have an abortion, she is accepting sole responsibility for the consequences of her actions by acknowledging that the alternative (ensuring the survival and development of a life other than your own, consciously, for decades) seems unbearable. Who could possibly be better equipped to make such a decision? Re: the history of Planned Parenthood and eugenics, and some of the worst-case scenarios you mentioned around the question of who decides who’s fit to be a parent, I was amazed to discover that in my state, it’s illegal for a doctor to perform a tubal ligation on a woman under the age of 32 unless she already has at least one child. Crazy, huh? That an 18-year-old can join the military, vote, or take out a loan for college, but in the eyes of the law it takes almost twice as long for a woman to be considered mature enough to decide that she doesn’t want to experience pregnancy?

The scenario you paint is pleasant but antiquated. Pregnancy is one of the more easily avoidable situations a woman might encounter. Hence, the first responsible act for those women who don't wish to be mothers is simply to not get yourself knocked up. This should be easy peasy but it isn't because too many women are selfish and/or irresponsible. So there's your first stumble.

Further, we have women who are choosing abortion not because motherhood is haaaaaaarrrrrd whimper whimper but because the phd or the upcoming trip to Thailand is their priority. Family, motherhood, childhood, homelife, etc have lost their inherent value. They're all easy throwaways.

which inevitably leads to the notorious, well known extended adolescence and immaturity of millennial women and men. I don't think we need to hash that out. Casual pregnancies and casual abortions are a product of that cultural shift.

Again, framing the choice to abort as some high-minded, soul-searching, keep a stiff upper lip type decision is ridiculous. I would urge you to spend some time in both the pro abortion activist circles and pre/post abortion communities.

Regarding the tubal ligation comment, I'm not aware of a legal age requirement in any US state. I am aware of age requirements for medical insurance coverage and consent form requirements. Do let me know if I'm wrong. Either way, although this is a fine topic of conversation, I don't see the relevance to the abortion debate.

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