posted June 30, 2022 06:52 PM              

No, I am not saying that it never happens, but that is rare and a last ditch effort and choice. Health wise, it is a huge risk and gamble and for that reason alone, most women wouldn't ever consider it unless absolutely necessary.

Also, keep in mind, I was specifically addressing the kind of ridiculous hypothetical of a woman getting an abortion a day before giving birth. How many times has this actually ever happened?

Ah two hearts and all that. Also relative. A fetus is considered not fully developed i.e. fully functioning and developed heart, and more so brain, nervous system, etc, until around the 37th week of pregnancy. The heart itself takes about 10 weeks or so to fully develop.

So, if the heart is not fully there, is it then ok to terminate the pregnancy? Scientific facts and all? What makes a human a human after all? Is it just chemicals and meat? Seriously, you believe that? You don't believe in the Soul? The Soul doesn't exist? Doesn't have any connection to this topic? So when a body dies, that's it, the complete end to it all? Please answer these questions directly and honestly.

I didn't bring "religion" into it at all. Spirituality yes, and considering we are conversing on what appears to be primarily a hybrid astrology-Linda Goodman site (so "scientific" btw, of which probably something like 98% of scientists would laugh at), is that so out of left field or uncalled for? And to compare the Bible to the Edgar Cayce readings is a pretty dang silly. Cayce was asked many questions by others that his conscious, personality mind had no clue to, but when he went in deep trance, he was scientifically, objectively PROVEN to be able answer accurately in a repeatable manner. He was specifically tested by a number of skeptics in his day, including the likes of Houdini the fraudulent medium busting extraordinaire, the head of Harvard Psych, various doctors, and heck, even priests (a priest friend of his one time, asked Cayce, what did I receive in this package that I haven't opened up yet, and Cayce gave the priest an accurate answer and freaked him out).

You don't seem to understand that the very heart of "science" is repeatable, demonstrable verification and evidence, of which Cayce provided time and time again, for nearly forty years and in thousands of individual readings in all sorts of subjects. The engineering whiz and prodigy T. Mitchell Hastings credits Cayce and the Cayce readings to helping him develop his theories and understanding of electromagnetic energy as related to crystals, radiowaves, etc.

We're not talking about some Madame Cleo off the street here. Jesus.

It's about as far from the "bible" and religion as horses are from Porsche's.

Why do you think that this person with chart ruler, the Sun in Capricorn widely conjunct Capricorn Mercury, and 4 points in Virgo, including the ruler of that Sun and Mercury (i.e. Saturn), like this source so much? Because it is so "unscientific", unproven, illogical, and ungrounded?

No, precisely because of the repeated proofs, evidence, verification and testing that it went through. And this is precisely why there are so many books written on this subject. Literally hundreds. In the Library of Congress, one of the most written about modern human figures and names. Again, literally hundreds of books that reference to the name, "Edgar Cayce", and multiple biographical works.

Heck, even the actor, director, etc John Cusack for a number of years was working on trying to get a biographical major movie made about the man and his life.

This work has touched/influenced millions of lives globally since the early 1900's.

But yeah, he was just another psychic, just another Madame Cleo off the street--probably conning people or the like. Ignorance be bliss and all that.

posted June 30, 2022 07:50 PM              

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There is a million dollar reward from the amazing Randi for proof of any psychic phenomena. He has debunked all of them who have tried as frauds. No true takers yet. So, I highly doubt Cayce has “proven” anything. The paranormal cannot be proven with science.

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Um, Cayce died in Jan. of 1945, kind of awhile before this whole challenge thing.

And the Amazing Randi is not an objective, scientific source. He is just as fervently religious and dogmatic in his skepticism of all things psychic, nonphysical, spiritual, etc as hard core religious people are about their belief in God, the bible, etc.

A truly scientific mind is an OPEN but skeptical mind--something that you are not practicing here at all. I've studied and researched Cayce and am speaking from direct experience and knowledge and you are not. You've "heard about" him. Maybe read a book or two which referenced him. Whoopi dodada, you're an expert now.

So what do you call it when a person who was woefully intellectually ignorant of many, many topics (an 8th grade drop out in a time when medical knowledge was jealously guarded and hard to obtain), could lie down, put himself in a deep trance, be asked questions of all sorts of nature, and repeatedly give accurate answers to those questions in literally hundreds of different subjects spanning from mostly medical to ancient history to probable futures, to advanced technology, to personal private information about peoples lives, etc, etc?

All 14, 300 so of these readings were rigorously and meticulously written down, copied, and stored (both in their original forms and in copies) for future generations to research, study, etc.

You are "debating" using circular logic. You are not addressing specifics. You have a need to believe that Cayce was not the real deal or generally call him into question, because his information contradicts your belief system. Same with Belage (except she is probably more truly/fully open minded in practice, in a general sense).

God forbid you actually question your beliefs and preconceptions.

Yeah, I get it. Abortion is murder, black and white, no questions asked. Oh, also apparently at all stages too, even though SCIENTIFICALLY speaking, a fetus is not even considered fully developed until around 37 weeks into a pregnancy. But so much for respecting and listening to the god of SCIENCE (ence ence ence)

But what really is and makes a human? Just a physical body? If you truly believe that, you live in a sad, myopic, narrow minded, little reality. And I am greatly confused why you own and run a Linda Goodman-Astrology forum? You don't actually believe in any of this spiritual, nonphysical, metaphysical stuff? Or, only when it is convenient for you to do so?

What we call science is and should be, changing all the time. That is the process of science. Science is not a set of belief systems written in stone. One day, science will actually understand and recognize the existence of things like nonphysical consciousness, other dimensions, etc, etc. What is holding science back from exploring and understanding these topics is small little minds of mostly men with superiority complexes who think they have the world and reality all figured out, when really, they much to learn.

They fear the unknown and the ego pang of potentially being wrong/inaccurate, and so they rebel against even trying to understand and research these topics.

But nonetheless, some scientists have researched the topic of psychism and have found statistical evidence for the veracity of same. Like Duke University's PEAR lab research. Or the fact that between a combination of the US military and DIA, these had black op remote viewing programs running for nearly 18 consecutive years. Each year, these programs would come up for review and to see if they would get refunded for another year of operation. Because, you know, the military and DIA are all woo woo and non evidence based.

Clearly, you are not very well read on these subjects though.

posted June 30, 2022 08:34 PM            

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No, I am not saying that it never happens, but that is rare and a last ditch effort and choice. Health wise, it is a huge risk and gamble and for that reason alone, most women wouldn't ever consider it unless absolutely necessary.

Also, keep in mind, I was specifically addressing the kind of ridiculous hypothetical of a woman getting an abortion a day before giving birth. How many times has this actually ever happened?

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You may call it ridiculous hypothetical, but the Mayor of NY has taken the time to publicly say he was in full support of women aborting up to the delivery day... So please tell me again what constitutes a ridiculous hypothetical argument?

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

Ah two hearts and all that. Also relative. A fetus is considered not fully developed i.e. fully functioning and developed heart, and more so brain, nervous system, etc, until around the 37th week of pregnancy. The heart itself takes about 10 weeks or so to fully develop.

So, if the heart is not fully there, is it then ok to terminate the pregnancy? Scientific facts and all? What makes a human a human after all? Is it just chemicals and meat? Seriously, you believe that? You don't believe in the Soul? The Soul doesn't exist? Doesn't have any connection to this topic? So when a body dies, that's it, the complete end to it all? Please answer these questions directly and honestly.

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Are you arguing that because the heart and other organs are not fully developed until the 37th week of pregnancy, a fetus is less deserving of protection and life and its existence should be at the discretion and whim of the woman?

I did not say that it was just chemical and meat. I said, and I will repeat that in the instances being debated, we have 2 bodies with 2 distinct heartbeats, and that is an undisputed scientific fact...To that, you have responded and implied that because a fetus is not fully developed until 37th weeks it is not deserving of protection and life.

Regarding the soul. I am not going to argue about the Soul because no one has been able to prove scientifically when the soul enters the body. But we can scientifically prove when life begins and when life ends. The life of a human being begins at conception. And ends at death.

posted June 30, 2022 08:51 PM              

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Oh, and regarding Cayce, I have absolutely no desire to include him in this matter of fact discussion. His work is for occultists and devotees, and there is absolutely no scientific basis to it, if there were, he would be taught in science schools.

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As stated earlier to Randall:

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What we call science is and should be, changing all the time. That is the process of science. Science is not a set of belief systems written in stone. One day, science will actually understand and recognize the existence of things like nonphysical consciousness, other dimensions, etc, etc. What is holding science back from exploring and understanding these topics is small little minds of mostly men with superiority complexes who think they have the world and reality all figured out, when really, they much to learn.

They fear the unknown and the ego pang of potentially being wrong/inaccurate, and so they rebel against even trying to understand and research these topics.

But nonetheless, some scientists have researched the topic of psychism and have found statistical evidence for the veracity of same. Like Duke University's PEAR lab research. Or the fact that between a combination of the US military and DIA, these had black op remote viewing programs running for nearly 18 consecutive years. Each year, these programs would come up for review and to see if they would get refunded for another year of operation. Because, you know, the military and DIA are all woo woo and non evidence based.

Clearly, you are not very well read on these subjects though.

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posted June 30, 2022 09:24 PM              

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Remote viewing is absolute garbage. As I said, there isn’t a shred of solid evidence for psychic phenomena. You seem to get a lot of your information from pseudoscience, not science.

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Is it, then please explain why a combo of the US military and DIA consecutively refunded each year, for nearly 18 years, these black operation remote viewing programs if it was "complete garbage"? Seems a little illogical for them to spend that money on these programs for that long, if there was nothing to it and it was just complete garbage.

Or why the military paid Robert A. Monroe some 30, 000 dollars back in the 80's to have agents go down to The Monroe Institute to be trained in their consciousness altering techniques?

Many, many scientists believe and say that climate change is either mostly or completely human caused via greater output of CO2.

Yet, you question this and them? And you are not a scientist yourself, correct?

It seems your trust and respect of science is somewhat relative and changeable perhaps?

So science is completely correct in this one subject, but not in this other one?

Not too long ago, I learned that you "believed" that dark matter was an accepted and confirmed theory in science. You seemed "surprised" that I pointed out that it wasn't. Furthermore, I pointed out how many consistent fails that this theory has had (literally hundreds over many years), and how not only are more and more scientists starting to abandon this theory, but that because equipment and observation is getting better and better, and researchers are observing more dust, plasma, and charged magnetic fields out there in space and realizing "oh, this stuff is good at blocking our perception of matter" and putting two and two together... (hey, this matter isn't really "missing", its just being occluded from view).

Seems you may not be as scientifically literate as you may like to believe about yourself?

This is pretty basic stuff in my view, and yet you were completely unaware of and puzzled by it not that long ago.

Again, science is a process--it is not a set of beliefs written in stone. And it is and should be, constantly in the process of being revised, updated, etc as new information and facts come in.

As I said, science will eventually recognize and understand so called "woo woo" stuff like nonphysical consciousness, other dimensions, etc. Just because it doesn't now, doesn't mean that these things don't exist.

Again, why do you own and run a freakin Linda Goodman-Astrology forum if you don't actually believe in any of this stuff? Seems a little strange.

How do you think that most scientists would look upon Linda Goodman and astrology? Does that mean, that just because the majority of scientists would poo poo both Linda Goodman and astrology, that there is nothing to these?

Btw, I have noticed that you are very good at speaking in sweeping generalizations, but when it comes to addressing specifics and larger context, you seem to just completely gloss all of this over. The lazy man's approach to "debate" is what I would call it.

But yes, please, come back with some more sweeping generalizations about science, psychism, Edgar Cayce, etc despite your clear ignorance in many of these matters.

All because abortion is nothing but murder at all stages of fetus development. Even when that fetus doesn't even have a fully functioning brain. Real "scientific".

Sigh. I know this is going to come off as arrogant and pretentious (and sure enough, T. Jupiter in Aries is now square my Cap Merc), but I really am beginning to feel like I am "debating" with bratty, stubborn, willful children on this.

What a complete waste of time and energy. There is no nuance nor real debate to be had here. It is all simplistic, black and whites. "Because I said and believe so's" again, like children who can't and won't admit they may be wrong.

Btw, I don't actually happen to like nor condone the practice of abortions. I think it largely tends to be selfish decision. But, at the end of the day, I believe that a woman should be allowed to do with her own body what she wants.

And I know that until the Soul connects to that baby's body, that that body, is more of a hunk of unconscious flesh than anything else. I know that it is the soul which makes a human truly a human.

Souls btw, sometimes withdraw from babies at early stages and the baby's body dies. It is commonly called/known as SIDS.

Hey, maybe we should try to outlaw Souls trying to do this, because after all, it is a form of "suicide" and what right do these Souls have to kill their own bodies? We should also set up a nonphysical jail for these asshat Souls who don't respect the sacredness of physical flesh and matter, which should be put on the highest pedestal of all.

posted June 30, 2022 10:16 PM              

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I’ve never claimed to be scientifically literate. Not have I said what so do and don’t believe about psychic phenomena or the paranormal. I said none of it can be scientifically proven. If you fell for the climate change nonsense, then there’s not much else to say about your reasoning skills. That sums them up quite well. Many scientists refute the CO2 argument. They just don’t get press coverage. As far as abortion goes, I concur with Belage.

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Again, clearly you have not looked at Duke University's PEAR Lab research for just some starters. These scientific researchers have found statistical evidence for psychic reality/phenomena.

What is "proof" after all, but repeatable, above chance statistical data? If I run experiment A. 100 times and 70 out of the 100 times, there are way above chance hits that support psychic phenomena, chances are, there is likely something to do. And if other people repeat these experiments and find similar, this only strengthens same.

This is science 101. It doesn't matter what subject or area you apply it to. If it is repeatable and statistically significant, it lends credence to a theory.

Actually, I do not believe that climate change is solely nor even primarily caused by humans. I believe it is mostly a natural process. Yet, that doesn't change the fact that it is mainstream accepted science and that a majority of scientists are on that bandwagon. I am well aware that there is minority group of dissenting scientists that don't get the time and focus that they should.

I was trying to point out a general point about and issue with science that is twofold. Science is not a homogeneous glob of belief where everyone all agrees all the time, and that science and scientific truth is relative. What is true one day, is not necessarily true tomorrow.

Yelling "science" at me to support your claims in this subject doesn't mean much to me, since I am quite familiar with the history and process of science, and how scientific, mainstream beliefs tend to be flawed. One of the biggest flaws of mainstream science is not that of climate change is caused by humans, not dark matter, not big bang theory, etc, but the general focus on materialism and so called Newtowian, reductionist/mechanistic science. (Ironically labeled that, because Newton himself was a believer in the metaphysical and spiritual. Funny how that works eh?).

For example, not widely known is that many of the founding pioneers of quantum physics had various "woo woo" beliefs and perceptions previous to their experiments and mathematics in the quantum physics field. Many of them were actually expecting some of the odd and Newtonian breaking phenomena of quantum physics. Why, because some of them understood and perceived things like everything is interconnected. Here is an article related to this:
http://phys.org/news/2009-06-quantum-mysticism-forgotten.html

But back to the flaws and issues of science: Virtually every major, largely accepted paradigm in mainstream science right now, has major, major holes in same. Everything from Big Bang theory to Eve out of Africa. Not just Dark matter nor climate change being caused mostly or solely by humans.

In fact, I have made painfully long, detailed, holistic posts on this site about how and why mainstream science is wrong about climate change. One of the biggest goofs is how all the old, previous climate models only factored in Solar irradiance and not total Solar output and connectivity to the earth.

HUGE mistake. Turns out that from 1950 to 2000 or so, the Sun was in a larger cycle that some call a "Grand Solar maximum". Meaning that during this some 50 year period, the Sun was in a more hyper active state where it was producing more sunspots and solar storms than it had for a long time.

Ironically, Solar irradiance actually goes down during these Solar activities of Sun spots and Solar storms, despite that the Sun is actually pumping more energy into the Earth during these energetic events. After all, what is heat essentially at its core? It is energy. And "cold" is a lack of energy. In fact, cold doesn't exist objectively in and of itself. In physics and science, cold only exists in relative relationship to the amount/degree or lack thereof of energy.

Anyways, I have pointed out things like this multiple times on this forum.

So clearly, I am not a bandwagoner on this or any topic. Again, I do "group think" MUCH LESS than the huge majority of humans I have met or observed. Truly--I'm more like an ET/Alien than human in this respect. And I don't identify with the left nor the right. Both, and especially the polarization between these, are con games so obviously. Just another way for the plutocrats to divide and conquer us common, non super rich people, and yet you and your friends here fall for it hook, line, and sinker. "Oh the Right is always right and the left is always wrong" blah blah blah."

Both are frequently wrong and occasionally right. But more importantly, the people with the real power and control in this world, don't give two shites about these so called factions and beliefs of left and right. They also don't identify with either side. They fund and play both sides as is convenient to their plans and goals, which is always related to increased power and control.

Even their underlings, like Trump, have shown that they also don't care about or truly believe in any of this left right stuff. Trump himself was a registered democrat for many years and hobknobbed with the Clintons. He became a "republican" because it was convenient for him to do so, and because it afforded him a position of more power, status, and eventually increased wealth (via connections and perks).

posted June 30, 2022 10:36 PM              

It's actually pretty simple and relates to some Quantum physics observations and theorems.

Primarily quantum entanglement and Bell's theorem.

If one understands that on a fundamental level, everything is completely interconnected (which is what the combo of the above suggests very strongly), then one understands that one level of reality (or part of the Whole) can "mirror" and reflect another level of reality (or part of the Whole).

More specifically, astrology is nothing more than a giant, Jungian type synchronicity process and phenomena. There is no direct "cause" to astrology. There are no special rays being emitted by the Planets and imaginary lines in space called the Zodiac signs "influencing" us.

But rather, it is a synchronistic correlation based on the Oneness of the Whole. Which, the latter does sound kind of "woo woo" and yet the experiments and observations in quantum physics very strongly suggest this very same truth/reality.

How else can two particles be simultaneously affected in the same way at the same exact time, despite distance that contradicts the Einsteinian relativity law and supposed constraint of the speed of light?

The "secret" is that these two (and all particles and all waves) "particles" (i.e. packets of probable information/data) are completely interconnected and always in communication at a deeper level, so to speak. This IS Consciousness. This is part of what some call "God" i.e. that Oneness of the All/Whole.

posted June 30, 2022 10:47 PM              

It will never be perfectly statistically accurate because of that factor. It will never be completely and always reproducible because of that.

But literally, thank God for the factor of freewill, otherwise we would be nothing but automatons.

I like and respect science and the process of same, but science isn't, and will never be, my God. Which is why I can't and won't confine my debate to just "science" and materialism alone. Science is missing out on a huge amount of information/data in its materialistic and myopic search for objective truths.

posted December 29, 2023 07:09 PM            

She was sent home from the hospital to deliver a dead baby, of course with hospital apologies.

Thinking she was going to die she went to the salon so her mother wouldn’t have to deal with her hair for her funeral.

posted December 29, 2023 07:14 PM            

Republicans don’t care about that, until it comes to the people like the January 6th coup-assistants. So-called political prisoners.

Another black woman has been charged in Ohio, with abuse of a corpse, after she miscarried. She was told her fetus was non-viable, and sent home without additional care. It’s sick, she’s been charged because she ******* miscarried.