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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14058 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 28, 2019 11:21 PM
Bipartisan Senate Report: Obama Failed to Secure U.S. Election Systems, Trump Admin Making Progress http://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/07/28/bipartisan-senate-report-obama-failed-to-secure-u-s-election-systems-trump-admin-making-progress/ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 122474 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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todd Knowflake Posts: 3149 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 06, 2019 01:46 PM
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/0...m_medium=email 211 Haaretz: Israel Behind International Election Hacking MachineChristopher Wylie claims the controversial company engaged the services of Israeli private intelligence firm Black Cube and that his predecessor was likely poisoned in Kenya Editor’s note: Yesterday, we learned that dozens of agents came to the US to rig the presidential election. What we learned, not reported below, is that their job was to select sufficient precincts in 26 states that could be rigged through hacking or altering paper ballots to rig the election for Trump. The GOP and Federalist Society worked with them and hundreds of election workers were paid off in order to allow uploading malware to flip votes or stuff ballot boxes. The FBI still refuses to investigate. Haaretz: Cambridge Analytica whistleblower Christopher Wylie said on Tuesday to British MPs that “the company utilized the services of an Israeli private intelligence firm, Black Cube.” Black Cube, which was also implicated in the Harvey Weinstein scandal, was apparently hired to hack the personal data of Nigerian President Buhari prior to his election to get access to his medical records and private emails, reported multiple sources on Wylie’s testimony. He also testified that that his predecessor at Cambridge Analytica died mysteriously in a Kenyan hotel room – and may have been poisoned after a deal went “sour.” Black Cube denied Wylie’s claims, saying, “Whilst we are flattered that we are seemingly being connected with every international incident that occurs, we will state that Chris Wylie’s testimony is a flagrent lie.” The firm vowed to investigate the claim themselves to “reveal the truth and the motive behind Wylie’s defamatory lie” and to “launch a massive defamation claim against … Christopher Wylie, SCL or Cambridge Analytica for any pound they still have or don’t have.” Wylie also said that the Canadian company AggregateIQ worked on software called Ripon, which was used to identify Republican voters ahead of the 2016 U.S. presidential election. AggregateIQ did not immediately respond to request for comment on the remarks by Wylie. Wylie has previously disclosed how users’ data from Facebook was used by Cambridge Analytica to help elect U.S. President Donald Trump. Ripon, the town in which the Republican Party was founded in 1854, was the name given to a tool that allowed a campaign to manage its voter database, target specific voters, conduct canvassing, manage fundraising and carry out surveys. There’s now tangible proof in the public domain that AIQ actually built Ripon, which is the software that utilized the algorithms from the Facebook data,” Wylie told the British Parliament’s Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee. AggregateIQ told Reuters on March 24 that it had never been and is not a part of Cambridge Analytica nor ever entered into a contract with it. It said it works in full compliance within all legal and regulatory requirements and had never knowingly been involved in any illegal activity. Cambridge Analytica said on Tuesday that it had not shared any of the Facebook profile data procured by a Cambridge academic with AggregateIQ. It said it had not had any communication with AggregateIQ since December 2015. Facebook chief Mark Zuckerberg will not answer questions from British lawmakers over the Cambridge Analytica scandal, The Telegraph newspaper and the BBC reported. During Monday’s session low on the U.S. stock market, Facebook had lost $100 billion in market value since March 17, when newspapers first reported that Facebook member data was improperly used by consultants Cambridge Analytica to target U.S. and British voters in close-run elections
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BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 794 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2019 02:02 PM
Flagrant gas lighting. Blame Moscow Mitch and bloody trump. They’re the ones in power now. And do they do anything. Nope. Pointing fingers at past powers is useless. Learn to be an objective thinker and hold your current president to the flame. That’s what democracy is about. Obama failed a lot but he’s not our president. Move on. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 122474 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2019 05:14 PM
This happened under Obama's regime, and he chose to do nothing.IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 794 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2019 05:41 PM
Yeah and he failed and hes no longer president, whos president and senate leader now and doing nothing about it?I guess Trump is a god that can do no wrong? At least I can admit my elected officials have faults and aren't gods. It's not healthy to idealize other humans in this way. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 122474 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2019 05:51 PM
While the left was busy trying to frame President Trump, he has been pursuing sanctions against Russia.IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 794 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2019 06:42 PM
Please present these sanctions and his actions on election security IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 122474 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2019 06:48 PM
It's common knowledge that President Trump is putting economic pressure on Russia. Russia is not the only culprit. So is China and Iran. We are doing many things that are not common knowledge such as cyber security.IP: Logged |
todd Knowflake Posts: 3149 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 07, 2019 01:28 PM
Election Computors Rigged http://humansarefree.com/2016/03/com...nder.html#more Computer Programmer Testifies Under Oath He Coded Computers to Rig ElectionsOne thing in US history is consistent throughout every single election cycle — allegations of voter fraud. These allegations, however, are not the ramblings of a kook with tinfoil wrapped around his head, they are substantiated and reach as high as the Supreme Court. Don’t believe it? Ask Al Gore and George W. Bush In 2006, the documentary Hacking Democracy, exposed Diebold and their role in rigging elections with their electronic voting machines He tells the members how he was hired by Congressman Tom Feeney in 2000 to build a prototype software package that would secretly rig an election to sway the result 51 / 49 to a specified side. After watching the video, you’ll know why true change is hard to come by. http://humansarefree.com/2016/03/how...lave.html#mor How the Voting System is Used to Enslave You to ONE Private Corporation In the USA, many Americans are watching the 2016 Presidential Debate, so they can make an “inform” decision to vote for the candidate that they believe is the best to lead their country.
What most Americans do not realize is that all presidential candidates are “actors” applying for a job of a corporation called the United States. The word franchise means “the right or license granted by a company to an individual or group to market its products or services in a specific territory”. But did you know that the word franchise can also mean “the right to vote”? Do you need evidence of this? Under title 28 U.S. Code § 3002 subsections 15 and 15(A), ““United States” means — (A) a Federal corporation.” It is right in their laws! Why do you think the United States has a president and a vice president? It has to do with corporate law. This is why every major corporation (i.e., Walmart, Target, McDonald’s) has a president and a vice president. Under corporate law, corporations are required to have a “president” and “vice president”. The Corporate United States is no exception. It is right in your FACE and hidden in plain sight! Because the United States is a corporation, it also has shareholders, which are the leaders of the New World Order. Some people like to refer to them as the Elites or the Banksters. The United States is controlled by the United Nations, an organization controlled by the New World Order (NWO).
Washington D.C. is also a privately owned foreign corporation. Washington D.C. is NOT part of the USA (the country), just like Vatican City is not part of Italy. http://humansarefree.com/2016/04/for...gged.html#more Former Congressman Exposes the Rigged Voting System For many years, I have been saying that the voting system here in the USA is rigged. Recently, former congressman Joe Scarborough said on live TV that the U.S. voting system is rigged. If you do not know who Joe Scarborough is, he works for MSNBC and is a regular contributor to Meet the Press. It is about time that someone has the courage to speak the truth on live TV. Here is an excerpt from JoeScarborough.com about Joe Scarborough: “Former Congressman Joe Scarborough (R-Fla.) is the host of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, a show Time Magazine calls 'revolutionary.' Along with co-host Mika Brzezinski, Morning Joe features interviews with top newsmakers and in-depth analysis of the day’s biggest stories. “The New York Times has ranked Morning Joe as one of today’s top morning news shows, and has praised Joe and Mika’s natural repartee and off-the-cuff commentary. “The New Yorker has described the show as 'appallingly entertaining.' Scarborough also serves as Senior Political Analyst for NBC News and is a regular contributor to Meet the Press.” Joe Scarborough Exposes Rigged Election System http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...d-3342525.html
OMG It’s all Fake! They Finally Admit American Elections Are Rigged! The U.S. Presidential election was rigged even before the first ballot was cast.The whole voting system is rigged by the Illuminati to keep their control of the People in so-called “democratic” societies. You MUST see the video below. VERY incriminating straight from the Mainstream Media!! Share this article everywhere http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...o-2814040.html Ron Paul: “US Elections Are Rigged, Voting Simply Used to Pacify the Public” (Video) Every day more Americans are finally waking up to the fact that what our education system taught them growing up about the United States (to the extent they were taught anything at all in some cases), hardly matches up with the reality in life. http://humansarefree.com/2016/11/ame...cted.html#more
America's Secret Government: Unaffected by Elections, Beyond the Reach of the Law “Today the path to total dictatorship in the U.S. can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. “We have operating within our government and political system … a well-organized political-action group in this country, determined to destroy our Constitution and establish a one-party state.... “The important point to remember about this group is not its ideology but its organization… It operates secretly, silently, continuously to transform our Government.... “This group ... is answerable neither to the President, the Congress, nor the courts. It is practically irremovable.” — Senator William Jenner, 1954 speech Unaffected by elections. Unaltered by populist movements. Beyond the reach of the law. Say hello to America’s shadow government. A corporatized, militarized, entrenched bureaucracy that is fully operational and staffed by unelected officials who are, in essence, running the country, this shadow government represents the hidden face of a government that has no respect for the freedom of its citizenry. No matter which candidate wins the presidential election, this shadow government is here to stay. Indeed, as recent documents by the FBI reveal, this shadow government — also referred to as “The 7th Floor Group” — may well have played a part in who will win the White House this year. To be precise, however, the future president will actually inherit not one but two shadow governments. The first shadow government, referred to as COG or Continuity of Government, is made up of unelected individuals who have been appointed to run the government in the event of a “catastrophe.” COG is a phantom menace waiting for the right circumstances — a terrorist attack, a natural disaster, an economic meltdown — to bring it out of the shadows, where it operates even now. When and if COG takes over, the police state will transition to martial law. Yet it is the second shadow government — also referred to as the Deep State — that poses the greater threat to freedom right now. Comprised of unelected government bureaucrats, corporations, contractors, paper-pushers, and button-pushers who are actually calling the shots behind the scenes, this government within a government is the real reason “we the people” have no real control over our government. The Deep State, which “operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power,” makes a mockery of elections and the entire concept of a representative government. So who or what is the Deep State? It’s the militarized police, which have joined forces with state and federal law enforcement agencies in order to establish themselves as a standing army. It’s the fusion centers and spy agencies that have created a surveillance state and turned all of us into suspects. It’s the courthouses and prisons that have allowed corporate profits to take precedence over due process and justice. It’s the military empire with its private contractors and defense industry that is bankrupting the nation. It’s the private sector with its 854,000 contract personnel with top-secret clearances, “a number greater than that of top-secret-cleared civilian employees of the government.” It’s what former congressional staffer Mike Lofgren refers to as “a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies”: the Department of Defense, the State Department, Homeland Security, the CIA, the Justice Department, the Treasury, the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, a handful of vital federal trial courts, and members of the defense and intelligence committees. It’s every facet of a government that is no longer friendly to freedom and is working overtime to trample the Constitution underfoot and render the citizenry powerless in the face of the government’s power grabs, corruption and abusive tactics. These are the key players that drive the shadow government. This is the hidden face of the American police state that will continue long past Election Day. Just consider some of the key programs and policies advanced by the shadow government that will continue no matter who occupies the Oval Office. Domestic surveillance No matter who wins the presidential popularity contest, the National Security Agency (NSA), with its $10.8 billion black ops annual budget, will continue to spy on every person in the United States who uses a computer or phone. Thus, on any given day, whether you’re walking through a store, driving your car, checking email, or talking to friends and family on the phone, you can be sure that some government agency, whether the NSA or some other entity, is listening in and tracking your behavior. Local police have been outfitted with a litany of surveillance gear, from license plate readers and cell phone tracking devices to biometric data recorders. Technology now makes it possible for the police to scan passersby in order to detect the contents of their pockets, purses, briefcases, etc. Full-body scanners, which perform virtual strip-searches of Americans traveling by plane, have gone mobile, with roving police vans that peer into vehicles and buildings alike — including homes. Coupled with the nation’s growing network of real-time surveillance cameras and facial recognition software, soon there really will be nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. Global spying The NSA’s massive surveillance network, what the Washington Post refers to as a $500 billion “espionage empire,” will continue to span the globe and target every single person on the planet who uses a phone or a computer. The NSA’s Echelon program intercepts and analyzes virtually every phone call, fax and email message sent anywhere in the world. In addition to carrying out domestic surveillance on peaceful political groups such as Amnesty International, Greenpeace and several religious groups, Echelon has also been a keystone in the government’s attempts at political and corporate espionage. Roving TSA searches The American taxpayer will continue to get ripped off by government agencies in the dubious name of national security. One of the greatest culprits when it comes to swindling taxpayers has been the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), with its questionable deployment of and complete mismanagement of millions of dollars’ worth of airport full-body X-ray scanners, punitive patdowns by TSA agents and thefts of travelers’ valuables. Considered essential to national security, TSA programs will continue in airports and at transportation hubs around the country. USA Patriot Act, NDAA America’s so-called war on terror, which it has relentlessly pursued since 9/11, will continue to chip away at our freedoms, unravel our Constitution and transform our nation into a battlefield, thanks in large part to such subversive legislation as the USA Patriot Act and National Defense Authorization Act. These laws completely circumvent the rule of law and the rights of American citizens. In so doing, they re-orient our legal landscape in such a way as to ensure that martial law, rather than the U.S. Constitution, is the map by which we navigate life in the United States. These laws will continue to be enforced no matter who gets elected. Militarized police state Thanks to federal grant programs allowing the Pentagon to transfer surplus military supplies and weapons to local law enforcement agencies without charge, police forces will continue to be transformed from peace officers into heavily armed extensions of the military, complete with jackboots, helmets, shields, batons, pepper-spray, stun guns, assault rifles, body armor, miniature tanks and weaponized drones. Having been given the green light to probe, poke, pinch, taser, search, seize, strip and generally manhandle anyone they see fit in almost any circumstance, all with the general blessing of the courts, America’s law enforcement officials, no longer mere servants of the people entrusted with keeping the peace, will continue to keep the masses corralled, controlled, and treated like suspects and enemies rather than citizens. SWAT team raids With more than 80,000 SWAT team raids carried out every year on unsuspecting Americans by local police for relatively routine police matters and federal agencies laying claim to their own law enforcement divisions, the incidence of botched raids and related casualties will continue to rise. Nationwide, SWAT teams will continue to be employed to address an astonishingly trivial array of criminal activity or mere community nuisances including angry dogs, domestic disputes, improper paperwork filed by an orchid farmer, and misdemeanor marijuana possession. Domestic drones The domestic use of drones will continue unabated. As mandated by Congress, there will be 30,000 drones crisscrossing the skies of America by 2020, all part of an industry that could be worth as much as $30 billion per year. These machines, which will be equipped with weapons, will be able to record all activities, using video feeds, heat sensors and radar. An Inspector General report revealed that the Dept. of Justice has already spent nearly $4 million on drones domestically, largely for use by the FBI, with grants for another $1.26 million so police departments and nonprofits can acquire their own drones. School-to-prison pipeline The paradigm of abject compliance to the state will continue to be taught by example in the schools, through school lockdowns where police and drug-sniffing dogs enter the classroom, and zero tolerance policies that punish all offenses equally and result in young people being expelled for childish behavior. School districts will continue to team up with law enforcement to create a “schoolhouse to jailhouse track” by imposing a “double dose” of punishment: suspension or expulsion from school, accompanied by an arrest by the police and a trip to juvenile court. Overcriminalization The government bureaucracy will continue to churn out laws, statutes, codes and regulations that reinforce its powers and value systems and those of the police state and its corporate allies, rendering the rest of us petty criminals. The average American now unknowingly commits three felonies a day, thanks to this overabundance of vague laws that render otherwise innocent activity illegal. Consequently, small farmers who dare to make unpasteurized goat cheese and share it with members of their community will continue to have their farms raided. Privatized Prisons States will continue to outsource prisons to private corporations, resulting in a cash cow whereby mega-corporations imprison Americans in private prisons in order to make a profit. In exchange for corporations buying and managing public prisons across the country at a supposed savings to the states, the states have to agree to maintain a 90% occupancy rate in the privately run prisons for at least 20 years. The Private Prisons Conspiracy: A Secret Meeting That Changed Rap Music Forever Endless wars America’s expanding military empire will continue to bleed the country dry at a rate of more than $15 billion a month (or $20 million an hour). The Pentagon spends more on war than all 50 states combined spend on health, education, welfare, and safety. Yet what most Americans fail to recognize is that these ongoing wars have little to do with keeping the country safe and everything to do with enriching the military industrial complex at taxpayer expense. Read: USA Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 'Victim Nations' Since World War II Are you getting the message yet? The next president, much like the current president and his predecessors, will be little more than a figurehead, a puppet to entertain and distract the populace from what’s really going on. As Lofgren reveals, this state within a state, “concealed behind the one that is visible at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue,” is a “hybrid entity of public and private institutions ruling the country according to consistent patterns in season and out, connected to, but only intermittently controlled by, the visible state whose leaders we choose.” The Deep State not only holds the nation’s capital in thrall, but it also controls Wall Street (“which supplies the cash that keeps the political machine quiescent and operating as a diversionary marionette theater”) and Silicon Valley. This is fascism in its most covert form, hiding behind public agencies and private companies to carry out its dirty deeds. It is a marriage between government bureaucrats and corporate fat cats. As Lofgren concludes: "[T]he Deep State is so heavily entrenched, so well protected by surveillance, firepower, money and its ability to co-opt resistance that it is almost impervious to change… "If there is anything the Deep State requires it is silent, uninterrupted cash flow and the confidence that things will go on as they have in the past. It is even willing to tolerate a degree of gridlock: Partisan mud wrestling over cultural issues may be a useful distraction from its agenda." In other words, as I point out in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, as long as government officials — elected and unelected alike — are allowed to operate beyond the reach of the Constitution, the courts and the citizenry, the threat to our freedoms remains undiminished. So the next time you find yourselves despondent over the 2016 presidential candidates, remember that it’s just a puppet show intended to distract you from the silent coup being carried out by America's shadow government. By John W. Whitehead — Constitutional attorney and author John W. Whitehead is founder and president of The Rutherford Institute. His new book Battlefield America: The War on the American People. Whitehead can be contacted at johnw@rutherford.org. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/11...a-red-herring/ By Ann Diener for Veterans Today The election was rigged. And the side claiming the rigging would happen, rigged it. No matter which candidate you voted for or wanted to win, it is important to examine the vote counts, exit polling and technical issues of the election. Perhaps the fear lies in perceptions of what to do about it, if true that the election was rigged? How would Donald Trump supporters react, if the Neocons were called on the rigging? Even if you voted for Trump, you should care. The rigging is clear and done with potential, purposeful intent. Interestingly enough, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats are not crying foul, probably out of fear and carefully managed perceptions, or is it also with intention? As Clinton potentially stole the Primary Election, is the rigging of the National Election permissible by the Neocons and seen as “fair?” So what to do about it? Over the course of last week, I spent hours putting together the attached sheets showing the vote count in 2016 vs. 2012 in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and North Carolina. There were large discrepancies. In Wisconsin, there was one county, Rock County, with 10,000 missing voters? Did people not show up in such large numbers in this one particular county, where they purged, or were their votes just removed using hacking? You can look at the sheets themselves Wisconsin, North Carolina and Pennsylvania Pennsylvania 2016 vs 2012 Wisconsin 2016 vs. 2012 North Carolina 2016 vs. 2012 With little analysis done about the actual numbers of the election, about the votes themselves, we are all left to wonder. In foreign countries, the very basis for election results is exit polling data, which determines if an election is rigged. Looking at the exit poll data in the states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Florida, what we see is something that would be considered a rigged election in any country that we monitor elections for. http://www.tdmsresearch.com/ put together a table showing the exit polling vs. vote count So why is it not questioned here in the US? Why are we so eager to believe the red herring himself and his cronies who so brazenly were accusing their opposition of rigging, while having plans such as Cross Check in place to purge voters by name only in different states and having security technology turned off in voting machines in states such as Ohio? ____________ https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/h...214720934.html Homeland Security tied to attempted hack of Georgia's election database: An attempted hack into Georgia's voter registration database was traced back to the Department of Homeland Security, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. A third-party security firm working for the state detected the unsuccessful breach and linked it to an IP address associated with DHS, the report said. Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp reportedly sent a letter to Homeland Security asking the department to confirm whether an attempt was made Reply With Quote __________________
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/1...serious-risks/
Hackers warn voting machines in the US pose security “serious risks”
Makers of the M650 system, Election Systems & Software (ES&S), told the Wall Street Journal that since voting machine uses paper ballots, votes can be audited Voting machines pose “serious risks” to US security, hackers are warning. A report outlines major flaws in voting hardware, weeks before US mid-term elections. One ballot machine, used in 23 US states, carries a cybersecurity flaw that was reported over a decade ago, the hackers claim. An expert warned that lessons would need to be learned if the UK adopts electronic voting systems. In August, the Def Con conference in Las Vegas ran a “Voting Village”, where participants were encouraged to uncover flaws in US election infrastructure by hacking into various computer systems. The organizers of the conference released a 50-page report on their findings. They describe the number and severity of flaws in voting equipment as “staggering”. “The problems outlined in this report are not simply election administration flaws that need to be fixed for efficiency’s sake, but rather serious risks to our critical infrastructure and thus national security,” the report claims. More than 30 voting machines and other pieces of equipment were made available to attendees of the conference, including the M650 electronic ballot scanner, which is currently used by 23 US states. The report says vulnerabilities mean the M650 can be remotely hacked. A design flaw reported as far back as 2007 was also found in the model tested during the conference. The organizers of the conference argue that because the unit is designed to process a high volume of ballots, hacking one of the machines could enable an attacker to “flip the electoral college and determine the outcome of a presidential election”. The makers of the M650 system, Election Systems & Software (ES&S), told the Wall Street Journal that because the voting machine uses paper ballots, votes can be audited. The company also said “the security protections on the M650 are strong enough to make it extraordinarily difficult to hack in a real-world environment”. In August, four US Senators signed a letter to ES&S, which said they were “disheartened” that the company had chosen to dismiss the hacker’s demonstrations. ES&S responded, saying forums open to anonymous hackers “may be a green light for foreign intelligence operatives” and should be viewed with caution. Other machines tested include the AccuVote TSx, currently used by 18 US states. The system includes a smart card reader for users to cast votes, which the report says can be easily disconnected to “disrupt the election” process. Attendees of the conference were also able to reprogram voting smart cards wirelessly, using mobile phones. “Over 15 years we have studied numerous election systems and voting machines across the world, and every single one has been found to have severe vulnerabilities,” Harri Hursti, one of the authors of the report, told the BBC. On Tuesday, Republican Senator James Lankford said an election security bill, known as the Secure Elections Act, would not be passed by Congress ahead of the mid-term elections in November. Earlier this year, an amendment for US$ 250m to increase spending on election security measures was blocked by Republican senators. “There is a history of disclosed vulnerabilities taking years to properly mitigate, and seemingly no great appetite for a national security standard for voting machines,” security expert Davey Winder said. “We need to be learning lessons here so that when, rather than if, the UK adopts electronic voting systems, we are ready to make sure the implementation is a secure one.”
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posted August 15, 2019 02:04 PM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/0...m_medium=email 211 Haaretz: Israel Behind International Election Hacking MachineChristopher Wylie claims the controversial company engaged the services of Israeli private intelligence firm Black Cube and that his predecessor was likely poisoned in Kenya Editor’s note: Yesterday, we learned that dozens of agents came to the US to rig the presidential election. What we learned, not reported below, is that their job was to select sufficient precincts in 26 states that could be rigged through hacking or altering paper ballots to rig the election for Trump. The GOP and Federalist Society worked with them and hundreds of election workers were paid off in order to allow uploading malware to flip votes or stuff ballot boxes. The FBI still refuses to investigate. Haaretz: Cambridge Analytica whistleblower Christopher Wylie said on Tuesday to British MPs that “the company utilized the services of an Israeli private intelligence firm, Black Cube.” Black Cube, which was also implicated in the Harvey Weinstein scandal, was apparently hired to hack the personal data of Nigerian President Buhari prior to his election to get access to his medical records and private emails, reported multiple sources on Wylie’s testimony. He also testified that that his predecessor at Cambridge Analytica died mysteriously in a Kenyan hotel room – and may have been poisoned after a deal went “sour.” Black Cube denied Wylie’s claims, saying, “Whilst we are flattered that we are seemingly being connected with every international incident that occurs, we will state that Chris Wylie’s testimony is a flagrent lie.” The firm vowed to investigate the claim themselves to “reveal the truth and the motive behind Wylie’s defamatory lie” and to “launch a massive defamation claim against … Christopher Wylie, SCL or Cambridge Analytica for any pound they still have or don’t have.” Wylie also said that the Canadian company AggregateIQ worked on software called Ripon, which was used to identify Republican voters ahead of the 2016 U.S. presidential election. AggregateIQ did not immediately respond to request for comment on the remarks by Wylie. Wylie has previously disclosed how users’ data from Facebook was used by Cambridge Analytica to help elect U.S. President Donald Trump. Ripon, the town in which the Republican Party was founded in 1854, was the name given to a tool that allowed a campaign to manage its voter database, target specific voters, conduct canvassing, manage fundraising and carry out surveys. There’s now tangible proof in the public domain that AIQ actually built Ripon, which is the software that utilized the algorithms from the Facebook data,” Wylie told the British Parliament’s Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee. AggregateIQ told Reuters on March 24 that it had never been and is not a part of Cambridge Analytica nor ever entered into a contract with it. It said it works in full compliance within all legal and regulatory requirements and had never knowingly been involved in any illegal activity. Cambridge Analytica said on Tuesday that it had not shared any of the Facebook profile data procured by a Cambridge academic with AggregateIQ. It said it had not had any communication with AggregateIQ since December 2015. Facebook chief Mark Zuckerberg will not answer questions from British lawmakers over the Cambridge Analytica scandal, The Telegraph newspaper and the BBC reported. During Monday’s session low on the U.S. stock market, Facebook had lost $100 billion in market value since March 17, when newspapers first reported that Facebook member data was improperly used by consultants Cambridge Analytica to target U.S. and British voters in close-run elections. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/06/05/wikistrat-mueller-now-cites-mossad-backed-firm-for-rigging-election/ WikiStrat: Mueller Now Cites Mossad/8200 Backed Firm for Rigging Election Wikistrat bills itself as a ‘crowdsourced’ analysis agency based in Washington. But interviews with current and former employees and documents tell a very different story. “According to internal Wikistrat documents marked “highly confidential and sensitive material,” 74 percent of the firm’s revenue came from clients that were foreign governments.” (Intelligence agencies of Israel, the UAE and Saudi Arabia, Trump’s primary beneficiaries) Editor’s note: When Donald Jr. met with this loosely described foreign intelligence agency front operating on laundered funds to rig the election, he crossed so many lines that pardoning him might well be unthinkable. It is not. As we now move closer to the core of Trump, Kosher Nostra stooge and capo, we find firm after firm, all Israeli, all Mossad/8200 fronts, all engaged in espionage against the US. Crowd-funded hardly, this is an Israeli firm running on “donations” from the military intelligence budget of the UAE specifically to “influence” American elections. By “influence,” we mean creating software, black propaganda, even organizing events including fake stories but quite possibly terror events as well. Dupe
There are NO lines they haven’t crossed. When you hire professional killers to “consult” on issues, well what are the issues here? How can America’s military and nuclear capability be used to bully Russia, crush NATO independence, start trade wars, aid ISIS and al Qaeda and keep the media busy tracking down school shooters and terrorists from the “MK Ultra” stockpile built up during the 1970s and beyond? Worse still, men like Mike Hayden, former CIA and NSA director, put themselves up as front men for the Mossad to hide behind. It is like Hayden had put on his stupid-hat again, suckered into a nightmare because his tenure in DC had made him hungry, lazy and willing to do anything to get a seat at the table. We don’t hate Hayden, there are far worse people in the world. We do hate that he allowed himself to become a useful idiot, part of a criminal conspiracy against the United States… Gordon * In the fall of 2016, Donald Trump Jr. and other key aides to the future president reportedly met in Trump Tower with Joel Zamel, the founder of a company called Wikistrat. Wikistrat bills itself as a “crowdsourced” geopolitical analysis firm based in Washington, D.C. But interviews with current and former employees and documents reviewed by The Daily Beast tell a different story: that the vast majority of Wikistrat’s clients were foreign governments; that Wikistrat is, for all intents and purposes, an Israeli firm; and that the company’s work was not just limited to analysis. It also engaged in intelligence collection. Robert Mueller’s office is investigating Wikistrat and Zamel, according to The Wall Street Journal, as the special counsel’s probe expands into Middle Eastern (governments’ attempts to influence American politics. Although Wikistrat’s clients were overwhelmingly foreign governments, the company boasted incredible access to top U.S. military and intelligence officials. The firm’s advisory council lists former CIA and National Security Agency director Michael Hayden, former national security adviser James L. Jones, former deputy director of the National Security Council Elliott Abrams, and former acting director of the Defense Intelligence Agency David Shedd, among others.
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http://www.jimstone.is/maliciousintent.html On August 14, 2004 at 9 PM, Israeli television station, Channel Ten, broke all convention and exposed the ugliest secret of Israel's Labor Zionist founders; the deliberate mass radiation poisoning of nearly all Sephardic youths. The expose began with the presentation of a documentary film called, 100, 000 Radiations, and concluded with a panel discussion moderated by TV host Dan Margalit, surprising because he is infamous for toeing the establishment line. In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr. Chaim Sheba flew to America and returned with 7 x-ray machines, supplied to him by the American army. They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire generation of Sephardic youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every Sephardic child was to be given 35, 000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300, 000 Israeli liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60, 000 liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today. To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6, 000 of the children died shortly after their doses were given, the many of the rest developed cancers that killed them over time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic headaches and psychosis. Yes, that is the subject of the documentary in cold terms. It is another matter to see the victims on the screen. ie. To watch the Moroccan lady describe what getting 35, 000 times the dose of allowable x-rays in her head feels like. "I screamed make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. But it never went away." To watch the bearded man walk hunched down the street. " I'm in my fifties and everyone thinks I'm in my seventies. I have to stoop when I walk so I won't fall over. They took my youth away with those x-rays." To watch the old lady who administered the doses to thousands of children. "They brought them in lines. First their heads were shaved and smeared in burning gel. Then a ball was put between their legs and the children were ordered not to drop it, so they wouldn't move. The children weren't protected over the rest of their bodies. There were no lead vests for them. I was told I was doing good by helping to remove ringworm. If I knew what dangers the children were facing, I would never have cooperated. Never!" Because the whole body was exposed to the rays, the genetic makeup of the children was often altered, affecting the next generation. We watch the woman with the distorted face explain, "All three of my children have the same cancers my family suffered. Are you going to tell me that's a coincidence?" Everyone notices that Sephardic women in their fifties today, often have sparse patchy hair, which they try to cover with henna. Most of us assumed it was just a characteristic of Sephardic women. We watch the woman on the screen wearing a baseball-style hat. She places a picture of a lovely young teenager with flowing black hair opposite the lens. "That was me before my treatment. Now look at me." She removes her hat. Even the red henna can't cover the horrifying scarred bald spots. The film made it perfectly plain that this operation was no accident. The dangers of x-rays had been known for over forty years. We read the official guidelines for x-ray treatment in 1952. The maximum dose to be given a child in Israel was .5 rad. There was no mistake made. The children were deliberately poisoned. David Deri, makes the point that only Sephardic children received the x- rays. "I was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They asked our names. The Ashkenazi children were told to return to their seats. The dark children were put on the bus." The Moroccan lady is back on the screen. "It was a Holocaust, a Sephardic Holocaust. And what I want to know is why no one stood up to stop it." The Ashkenazi Jews proved with this event that they will target perfectly innocent children for destruction just because they are a "lesser race". If the Sephardic Jews, who are still Jews could be the target of the Ashkenazi, what do you think Ashkenazi Jewry thinks of any children that are not Jewish at all? 1. First of all, with the 100, 000 radiations, it is stated that it was all done as a "medical procedure".2. It is stated that thousands of children died outright, yet the parents of these children simply accepted it. 3. It is stated that tens of thousands of children were severely damaged, a fact that was known all through the process of destroying the children, yet the parents still allowed the children to be rounded up and blasted in the head, just because it was a state sponsored "medical procedure 4. It is stated that it was obvious an entire generation of Sephardic children were being destroyed, . The media, which is virtually 100 PERCENT Ashkenazi owned, is also not uttering a peep, just like they did not utter a peep about the 100, 000 radiations until 50 years after they happened. 5. It is stated that the workers who did this horrific act to all of those children did not know what they were doing, WE HAVE OUR PRECEDENT WHICH PROVES THE ASHKENAZI JEWS WILL OPENLY DESTROY CHILDREN ON PURPOSE. The amount of radiation used stands as undeniable proof of malicious intent. When the "100,000 radiations" were done to the Sephardic children, the measure of cumulative dose was the now outdated rad. There are approximately 100 rads to the modern day Sievert. If your entire body receives 600 rad within a short period of time, which equals approximately six sieverts, the outcome is typically fatal. This is because it kills enough cells across your entire body to poison the blood stream with dead tissue byproducts. However, localized doses can be much higher if the whole body is not involved, with typical cancer radiation therapy at around 8,000 rad. The brain is extremely resistant to radiation - more so than any other part of the body. So to do guaranteed damage, a dose of 35,000 rads (or 350 sieverts) was put through the heads of these children. That may seem like a high amount, but the brain is so resistant to radiation that it takes 5,000 rads to even begin to do brain damage, so to ensure brain damage, seven times that much was put through the children's heads. Since that is 58 times the whole body dose for a typical outcome of death, it cannot be denied that the Ashkenazi Jews, who had this done to the sephardic Jews, wanted them mentally destroyed. It is important to realize just how resistant the brain is to radiation because the amount of radiation used defies all conventional wisdom about what can be tolerated by the body, which will cause some people to look away from this if they do not realize how much the brain can take. It is also important to state how much radiation was used, because this alone shows the clear intentions of the Ashkenazi, in their push for ethnic superiority. So the children were arriving home, delirious, sick, and with severe burns to the heads, and because it happened in a state authorized procedure, none of their parents protested. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/0...m_medium=email Israeli chief rabbi calls black people ‘monkeys’ Amid Israel’s controversial policy of forcing African migrants back to the continent, one of the regime’s chief rabbis calls black people “monkeys.” Footage released by Israeli media shows Yitzhak Yosef used a derogatory Hebrew word to refer to black people and went on to call them “monkeys” during his weekly sermon. The racist comments drew sharp criticism from rights activists. New York-based Anti-Defamation League reacted in a tweet, saying the “racially charged comment made by Israeli Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, comparing people of color to ‘monkeys,’ is utterly unacceptable.” This is not the first time Yosef attracts controversy. Last May, he suggested that secular women behaved like “animals.’ In March 2016, he urged Israeli forces and illegal settlers to kill Palestinians, whom they suspect of planning attacks on Israelis. Yosef’s Saturday remarks came after Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a speech that migrants entering Israel were a bigger threat to the regime than terrorism. In this file photo taken on February 22, 2018 African migrants march against Israel’s policy of mass deportations. (By AFP) In January, Israel started implementing a plan to deport nearly 38,000 migrants, mainly Eritreans and Sudanese, threatening to detain those who refused to leave. The refugees say they have fled from danger at home.
PressTV-For African Jews, deportations reveal Israel’s racist face The deportations of the immigrants – almost all African Jews – are creating a religious controversy in Israel, and prompting an outcry from international rights groups. The plan, initially approved by the Israeli cabinet last November, has drawn concerns from the United Nations refugee agency, which has called it incoherent and unsafe. [http://humansarefree.com/2017/08/isr...lack.html#more 510
Israel's Rampant Racism Against Black Jews Continues to be Ignored (ANTIMEDIA) Tel Aviv, Israel — The state of Israel today receives contempt from some and is condoned by others for its apartheid structure and its brutal oppression of indigenous Palestinians. However, beyond this notorious conflict, there exists an underlying epidemic of racism within the State of Israel. Israel, with a population little over 8 million, has a minority of Ethiopians Jews which account for approximately 135,000 of its citizens. It is beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Ethiopian Black Jews in Israeli society are marginalized and treated much differently than the majority Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. A prominent member of Israel’s right wing Likud party, Miri Regev, called black immigrants a “cancer in our body.” Beyond the racist rhetoric, the facts exemplify the discrimination.
30% of those incarcerated under the age of 18 happen to be Ethiopians. 40% of all Ethiopians in the Israeli military (All men of age in Israel are conscripted by law) have served time in prison. In 1996, thousands of Ethiopian Jews protested and clashed with Police when they found out the blood they had donated was thrown out because of fear it was contaminated with AIDS. Even more heinous to note is the fact that it has been found that Ethiopian Jewish women have been administered Depo-Provera, a hormonal contraceptive WITHOUT their consent or knowledge, to prevent them from having children. Ethiopians immigrants, when interviewed by an investigative journalist, said they were intimidated and told the injections were just protocol vaccinations. Curiously, this sort of eugenic practice was mastered by none other than Nazi Germany Interestingly, not only have Israeli politicians remained quiet about these incidents, but even the left wing Israeli parties that claim to support civil rights for minorities have refused to utter a word. It is even more shocking to realize that the State of Israel bases its justification for existence on the historical discrimination the Jews faced as a minority in Europe, yet they don’t seem to have a problem with discrimination as long as they are the perpetrators. IP: Logged |
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"It is even more shocking to realize that the State of Israel bases its justification for existence on the historical discrimination the Jews faced as a minority in Europe"Such ignorance is intolerable. The people of Israel don't base their ownership of the land of Israel on a 'political declaration'. “And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.” “And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God” (Genesis 17:7-8).
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quote: Originally posted by jwhop: "It is even more shocking to realize that the State of Israel bases its justification for existence on the historical discrimination the Jews faced as a minority in Europe"Such ignorance is intolerable. The people of Israel don't base their ownership of the land of Israel on a 'political declaration'. [b]“And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.” “And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God” (Genesis 17:7-8).[/B]
I agree ignorance is intolerable. god gave the land on canaan to the Hebrew.... the Ashkenazi Jews are not Hebrew and are not semites at all. god did not give the Ashkenazi's anything.they are converts, they are not the original semites that god bestowed the land to. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/03/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars/ Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Jim Wald for the Times of Israel (Their VT…most probably a lame attempt at humor) (From March 2014) Jim Wald is Associate Professor and Director of the Center for the Book at Hampshire College Followers of Middle Eastern affairs know two things: always expect the unexpected, and never write off Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who has more political lives than the proverbial cat. Only yesterday came news that Syrian rebels plan to give Israel the Golan Heights in exchange for creation of a no-fly zone against the Assad regime. In an even bolder move, it is now revealed, Israel will withdraw its settlers from communities beyond the settlement blocs—and relocate them at least temporarily to Ukraine. Ukraine made this arrangement on the basis of historic ties and in exchange for desperately needed military assistance against Russia. This surprising turn of events had an even more surprising origin: genetics, a field in which Israeli scholars have long excelled. A Warlike Turkic People—and a Mystery It is well known that, sometime in the eighth to ninth centuries, the Khazars, a warlike Turkic people, converted to Judaism and ruled over a vast domain in what became southern Russia and Ukraine. What happened to them after the Russians destroyed that empire around the eleventh century has been a mystery. Many have speculated that the Khazars became the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews. Schnitzler1857.emp gg_044 The Khazar Empire, from M. J-H. Schnitzler’s map of The Empire of Charlemagne and that of the Arabs, (Strasbourg, 1857) Arabs have long cited the Khazar hypothesis in attempts to deny a Jewish historical claim to the land of Israel. During the UN debate over Palestine Partition, Chaim Weizmann responded, sarcastically: “lt is very strange. All my life I have been a Jew, felt like a Jew, and I now learn that I am a Khazar.” In a more folksy vein, Prime Minister Golda Meir famously said: “Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak.” Jim Wald for the Times of Israel (Their VT…most probably a lame attempt at humor) (From March 2014) Jim Wald is Associate Professor and Director of the Center for the Book at Hampshire College Followers of Middle Eastern affairs know two things: always expect the unexpected, and never write off Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who has more political lives than the proverbial cat. Only yesterday came news that Syrian rebels plan to give Israel the Golan Heights in exchange for creation of a no-fly zone against the Assad regime. In an even bolder move, it is now revealed, Israel will withdraw its settlers from communities beyond the settlement blocs—and relocate them at least temporarily to Ukraine. Ukraine made this arrangement on the basis of historic ties and in exchange for desperately needed military assistance against Russia. This surprising turn of events had an even more surprising origin: genetics, a field in which Israeli scholars have long excelled. A Warlike Turkic People—and a Mystery It is well known that, sometime in the eighth to ninth centuries, the Khazars, a warlike Turkic people, converted to Judaism and ruled over a vast domain in what became southern Russia and Ukraine. What happened to them after the Russians destroyed that empire around the eleventh century has been a mystery. Many have speculated that the Khazars became the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews. Schnitzler1857.emp gg_044 The Khazar Empire, from M. J-H. Schnitzler’s map of The Empire of Charlemagne and that of the Arabs, (Strasbourg, 1857) Arabs have long cited the Khazar hypothesis in attempts to deny a Jewish historical claim to the land of Israel. During the UN debate over Palestine Partition, Chaim Weizmann responded, sarcastically: “lt is very strange. All my life I have been a Jew, felt like a Jew, and I now learn that I am a Khazar.” In a more folksy vein, Prime Minister Golda Meir famously said: “Khazar, Schmazar. There is no Khazar people. I knew no Khazars In Kiev. Or Milwaukee. Show me these Khazars of whom you speak. ”Contrarian Hungarian ex-communist and scientist Arthur Koestler brought the Khazar hypothesis to a wider audience with The Thirteenth Tribe (1976), in the hope that disproving a common Jewish “racial” identity would end antisemitism. Clearly, that hope has not been fulfilled. Most recently, left-wing Israeli historian Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People took Koestler’s thesis in a direction he had not intended, arguing that because Jews were a religious community descended from converts they do not constitute a nation or need a state of their own. Scientists, however, dismissed the Khazar hypothesis because the genetic evidence did not add up. Until now. In 2012, Israeli researcher Eran Elhaik published a study claiming to prove that Khazar ancestry is the single largest element in the Ashkenazi gene pool. Sand declared himself vindicated, and progressive organs such as Haaretz and The Forward trumpeted the results. Genome Evolution of Jewish Population John Hopkins by Gordon Duff Israel seems finally to have thrown in the towel. A blue-ribbon team of scholars from leading research institutions and museums has just issued a secret report to the government, acknowledging that European Jews are in fact Khazars. (Whether this would result in yet another proposal to revise the words to “Hatikvah” remains to be seen.) At first sight, this would seem to be the worst possible news, given the Prime Minister’s relentless insistence on the need for Palestinian recognition of Israel as a “Jewish state” and the stagnation of the peace talks. But others have underestimated him at their peril. An aide quipped, when life hands you an etrog, you build a sukkah. Speaking off the record, he explained, “We first thought that admitting we are really Khazars was one way to get around Abbas’s insistence that no Jew can remain in a Palestinian state. Maybe we were grasping at straws. But when he refused to accept that, it forced us to think about more creative solutions. The Ukrainian invitation for the Jews to return was a godsend. Relocating all the settlers within Israel in a short time would be difficult for reasons of logistics and economics. We certainly don’t want another fashlan like the expulsion of the settlers in the Gaza Hitnatkut [disengagement]. “We’re not talking about all the Ashkenazi Jews going back to Ukraine. Obviously that is not practical.
Speaking on deep background, a well-placed source in intelligence circles said: “We’re not talking about all the Ashkenazi Jews going back to Ukraine. Obviously that is not practical. The press as usual exaggerates and sensationalizes; this is why we need military censorship.” Khazaria 2.0? All Jews who wish to return would be welcomed back without condition as citizens, the more so if they take part in the promised infusion of massive Israeli military assistance, including troops, equipment, and construction of new bases. If the initial transfer works, other West Bank settlers would be encouraged to relocate to Ukraine, as well. After Ukraine, bolstered by this support, reestablishes control over all its territory, the current Autonomous Republic of Crimea would once again become an autonomous Jewish domain. The small-scale successor to the medieval empire of Khazaria (as the peninsula, too, was once known) would be called, in Yiddish, Chazerai. SprunerCarl.det.1000 gg_046 the Khazar Empire, map of Europe in the Age of Charles the Great, from Karl von Spruner, _Historisch-geographischer Hand-Atlas_ (Gotha, 1854) the Khazars did not have to live within ‘Auschwitz borders.’”
“As you know,” the spokesman continued, “the Prime Minister has said time and again: we are a proud and ancient people whose history here goes back 4,000 years. The same is true of the Khazars: just back in Europe and not quite as long. But look at the map: the Khazars did not have to live within ‘Auschwitz borders.’” EmpCharlMonin.1841.500 gg_047 no “Auschwitz borders”: the great extent of the Khazar Empire (pink, at right) is readily apparent in this map of Europe circa 800, by Monin (Paris, 1841). Compare with Charlemagne’s empire (pink, at left) “As the Prime Minister has said, no one will tell Jews where they may or may not live on the historic territory of their existence as a sovereign people. He is willing to make painful sacrifices for peace, even if that means giving up part of our biblical homeland in Judea and Samaria. But then you have to expect us to exercise our historical rights somewhere else. We decided this will be on the shores of the Black Sea, where we were an autochthonous people for more than 2000 years. Even the great non-Zionist historian Simon Dubnow said we had the right to colonize Crimea. It’s in all the history books. You can look it up.” Old-New Land?
gg_048 Black Sea, showing Khazar presence in Crimea and coastal regions: Rigobert Bonne, Imperii Romani Distracta. Pars Orientalis, (Paris, 1780). Note Ukraine and Kiev at upper left. At right: Caspian Sea, also labeled, as was the custom, as the Khazar Sea Black Sea, showing Khazar presence in Crimea and coastal regions: Rigobert Bonne, Imperii Romani Distracta. Pars Orientalis, (Paris, 1780). Note Ukraine and Kiev at upper left. At right: Caspian Sea, also labeled, as was the custom, as the Khazar Sea “We’d like to think of it as sort of a homeland-away-from-home,” added the anonymous intelligence source. “Or the original one,” he said with a wink. “After all, Herzl wrote about the Old-New Land, didn’t he? And the transition shouldn’t be too difficult for the settlers because, you know, they’ll still get to feel as if they are pioneers: experience danger, construct new housing, carry weapons. The women can continue to wear scarves on their heads, and the food won’t be very different from what they already eat.” In retrospect, we should have seen this coming, said a venerable State Department Arabist, ticking off the signs on his fingers: a little-noticed report that Russia was cracking down on Israeli smuggling of Khazar artifacts, the decisions of both Spain and Portugal to give citizenship to descendants of their expelled Jews, as well as evidence that former IDF soldiers were already leading militias in support of the Ukrainian government. And now, also maybe the possibility that the missing Malaysian jet was diverted to Central Asia. A veteran Middle East journalist said: “It’s problematic, but in a perverse way, brilliant. In one fell swoop, Bibi has managed to confound friend and foe alike. He’s put the ball back in the Palestinians’ court and relieved the pressure from the Americans without actually making any real concessions. Meanwhile, by lining up with the Syrian rebels and Ukraine, as well as Georgia and Azerbaijan, he compensates for the loss of the Turkish alliance and puts pressure on both Assad and Iran. And the new Cypriot-Israeli gas deal props up Ukraine and weakens the economic leverage of both the Russians and the Gulf oil states. Just brilliant.” Reactions from around the world
Given the confluence of the weekend and the Purim and Saint Patrick’s Day holidays, reporters scrambled to get responses. Reactions from around the world trickled in. • Members of the YESHA Council of settlers, some of them evidently the worse for wear after too much festival slivovitz, were caught completely off-guard. Always wary of Netanyahu, whom they regard as a slick opportunist rather than reliable ideological ally, they refused to comment until they had further assessed the situation. Most of the hastily offered reactions fell into the predictable categories. • Right-wing antisemitic groups pounced on the story as vindication of their conspiracy theories, claiming that this was the culmination of the Jews’ centuries-old plan to avenge the defeat of Khazaria by the Russians in the Middle Ages, a reprise of Israel’s support for Georgia in 2008. “Jews have memories as long as their noses,” one declared. a continuum of conquest and cruelty?
• From Ramallah, a Fatah spokesman said the offer was a start but did not go nearly far enough toward satisfying Palestinian demands. Holding up an image of a Khazar warrior from an archaeological artifact, he explained: There is a continuum of conquest and cruelty. It’s very simple, genetics does not lie. We see the results today: the Zionist regime and brutal Occupation Forces are descended from warlike barbarians. Palestinians are descended from peaceful pastoralists, in fact, from the ancient Israelites that you have falsely claimed as your ancestors. By the way, it is not true, however, that your ancestors ever had a temple in Jerusalem. 475px-Khazar_1 gg_049 Then: Khazarian barbarian. Warrior with prisoner, image from archaeological object. [source: Wikimedia Commons] gg_050 Now: Israeli border policeman with Palestinian protester [source: Amnesty International] • The famously reliable unofficial intelligence website DAFTKAfile admitted: Boy, are our faces red. We were caught flat-footed and thought that the return to Spain and Portugal was the real story. Obviously, that was an impeccably planned and clever feint to distract attention from the coming revolution in Ukraine. Nicely played, Mossad. • Prolific blogger Richard Sliverstein, whose knowledge of Jewish culture and uncanny ability to ferret out military secrets regularly provoke astonishment even among his critics, commented: Frankly, I’m surprised that my Mossad sources did not get this story to me first. But I’ve been up against a deadline for an essay on the kabbalistic significance of sesame seeds, the main ingredient in hummus, so I haven’t caught up on my email. But, do I feel vindicated? Well, yes, but it’s scant satisfaction. I’ve been saying for years that the Jews are descended from Mongol-Tatar Khazars, but it has barely made a dent in the propaganda armor of these Zionist hasbaroid dolts. • An official of a leading human-rights NGO said: Evacuating illegal settlements must be a part of any peace deal, but first forcing settlers to leave Palestine and then resettling them in Ukraine may be a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. We’ll see what the ICC has to say about this. And if they think they can be even more trigger-happy in Ukraine than the West Bank, they have another thing coming. • Ultra-Ultra-Orthodox spokesman Menuchem Yontef (formerly of Inowraclaw) welcomed the news: We reject the Zionist state, which is illegitimate until Mashiach comes. We don’t care where we live as long as we can study the Torah and obey its commandments in full. However, we refuse to serve in the military there as well as here. And—we also want subsidies. That is G-d’s will. • The spokeswoman for a delegation of Episcopalian peace activists, reached after the Christ at the Checkpoint conference in Bethlehem, said, with tears in her eyes: We applaud this consistency of principle. If only all Jews would think like Menuchem Yontef—in fact, I’d like to call them “Menuchem Yontef Jews”: “M. Y. Jews,” for short—then antisemitism would disappear and members of all three Abrahamic faiths would again live together peacefully here as they did before the advent of Zionism. The nation-state is a relic of the nineteenth century, which has caused untold suffering. The most urgent task for world peace is the immediate creation of a free and sovereign Palestine. • Noted academic and theorist Judith Buntler mused: It may seem like a paradox to establish alterity or ‘interruption’ at the heart of ethical relations. But to know that we have first to consider what such terms mean. One might argue that the distinctive trait of Khazarian identity is that it is interrupted by alterity, that the relation to the gentile defines not only its diasporic situation, but one of its most fundamental ethical relations. Although such a statement may well be true (meaning that it belongs to a set of statements that are true), it manages to reserve alterity as a predicate of a prior subject. The relation to alterity becomes one predicate of ‘being Khazarian.’ It is quite another thing to understand that very relationship as challenging the idea of ‘Khazarian’ as a static sort of being, one that is adequately described as a subject. . . . coexistence projects can only begin with the dismantling of political Zionism. not the “two-state solution” they expected?
• Anti-Israel BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) leader Ali Abubinomial put it more simply. Pounding his desk, he fumed, “So, Israel and Khazaria? This is what the Zionists mean by a ‘two-state solution’?! Do the math! Has no one read my book?” • Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) called an emergency meeting to establish ties with the Pecheneg Liberation Organization (PLO), saying, “Pechenegs should not pay the price for European antisemitism.” The new solidarity group, “Students for Pechenegs in Ukraine” (SPUK), proclaimed as its motto: “From the Black to the Caspian Sea, We’re Gonna Find Somebody to Free!” • For his part, peace activist and former East Jerusalem administrator Myron Benvenuti responded with equanimity: “I’ve got nothing to worry about: I’m Sephardic and my family has lived here for centuries. Anyway, if I have to go somewhere else, it’s going to be Spain, not Ukraine: more sunshine, less gunfire.” The consensus of the broad majority of “Middle Israel,” which feels that Netanyahu is not doing enough for peace but also questions the sincerity of the Palestinians, is skeptical and despairing. One woman said, in frustration: We all long for an agreement but just cannot see how to achieve it. For now, all we can see is this Chazerai. * * * Update March 17: Latest reports, including Vladimir Putin’s recognition of Crimea as a “sovereign and independent state,” and the estimate that relocation of Israeli settlers in any peace agreement would cost $10 billion, confirm the details of the above story. Ed.
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The origins of some of those peoples is 'speculative'.Hardly something to throw out as fact. Perhaps you've heard of the 12 tribes of Israel? IP: Logged |
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posted August 18, 2019 03:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: The origins of some of those peoples is 'speculative'.Hardly something to throw out as fact. Perhaps you've heard of the 12 tribes of Israel?
The origins of some of those peoples is 'speculative'. Hardly something to throw out as fact. I agree again The Bible frequently refers to the twelve tribes of Israel. Which tribes constitute this list? Jacob had twelve sons, but Joseph's two sons each got a land inheritance and Levi got none. So do the twelve tribes refer to those who had territories (thus excluding Levi) or to the sons of Jacob (combining Manasseh and Ephraim)?
When the names of the tribes were written, for example Exodus 28:21, how would the list appear? Would Joseph be written in place of Manasseh and Ephraim or would Levi be omitted? From my brief research, it doesn't seem as though there is a unanimous opinion concerning what names were present on the breastplate. – user900 Mar 23 '13 at 7:34
- I haven't found one either. It seems more likely that Levi wasn't, but I can't find anything that states definitely one way or the other –
Jacob had twelve sons by four women. They are: •From Leah: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun •From Rachel: Joseph and Benjamin •From Bilhah (Rachel's maid): Dan and Naphtali •From Zilpah (Leah's maid): Gad and Asher Joseph, of course, had two sons - Manasseh and Ephraim. The tribe of Levi was not given an inheritance, as we see in Joshua 13:14: But to the tribe of Levi he gave no inheritance, since the offerings made by fire to the LORD, the God of Israel, are their inheritance, as he promised them.
We see the separation of the 'House of Joseph' into the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh in Joshua 14:4 (and a repetition of the Levite's inheritance) for the sons of Joseph had become two tribes--Manasseh and Ephraim. The Levites received no share of the land but only towns to live in, with pasturelands for their flocks and herds.
We can read in the rest of Joshua 13 the particular land each tribe was given (note that Manasseh actually became two half-tribes. One half was beyond the Jordan, and eventually disappeared from Israel). The basis for Ephraim and Manasseh being full tribes is given in Genesis 48:5-6, as Jacob adopts them as if they were his own sons (as Reuben and Simeon): And now your two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, who were born to you in the land of Egypt before I came to you in Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine. Your offspring whom you beget after them shall be yours; they will be called by the name of their brothers in their inheritance.
So the twelve tribes can be listed as: 1.Reuben 2.Simeon 3.Judah 4.Issachar 5.Zebulun 6.Ephraim 7.Manasseh 8.Benjamin 9.Dan 10.Naphtali 11.Gad 12.Asher We see this listing clearly in Numbers 1, and a final note on the separation of the Levites (v47-49): The ancestral tribe of the Levites, however, was not counted along with the others. The Lord had said to Moses: “You must not count the tribe of Levi or include them in the census of the other Israelites."
Please read the full question before answering. Why does the list you gave omit Levi? Obviously Levi would be considered one of the twelve tribes. So when the twelve names were written on monuments, etc. Which of the thirteen got omitted? – parap Mar 23 '13 at 4:24 Levi. The Levites, unlike all the other tribes, did not live in one place. They were dispersed throughout the land of Israel as priests. They were not given an inheritance (land) because they received a living from the rest of the tribes' offerings – I didn't ask whether they got an inheritance. I asked whether they were being referred to in the "twelve tribes." For instance, was there a stone for Levi on the breastplate? – 1 As for that, I can't find any confirmation. But the fact that they were not given an inheritance, that they were dispersed, points to why they were likely not considered a separate tribe, as they were most commonly the tribe omitted when a listing was given – Here is a response to this part of the question:
When the names of the tribes were written, for example Exodus 28:21, how would the list appear? Would Joseph be written in place of Manasseh and Ephraim or would Levi be omitted?
Here is Exodus 28:21 (NRSV): There shall be twelve stones with names corresponding to the names of the sons of Israel; they shall be like signets, each engraved with its name, for the twelve tribes.
There is no definitive answer as to which exact list of names was inscribed on the stones, and in which order. The Hebrew Bible provides no such list in connection with the stones of the breastplate, and the earliest surviving extra-biblical Jewish writings and commentaries come from a period long after the breastplate was lost. So we have no eyewitness accounts of the names and their order on the breastplate. However, the dominant tradition among Jewish scholars seems to be that the names inscribed on the stones were those of the original twelve sons of Jacob. Here is one image from Wikimedia Commons that is also reproduced on various Jewish websites: Names on the Breastplate of Aaron The names and order as they appear on this graphic are: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher This corresponds to the order in which they are listed in Genesis 35:23-26, which puts the six sons of Jacob's wife Leah first, then the two sons of Jacob's wife Rachel, then the two sons of Rachel's maid Bilhah, then the two sons of Leah's maid Zilpah. This listing occurs in the Bible text right after the birth of Jacob's youngest son, Benjamin, making it the first compact listing in the Bible of the twelve sons, or tribes, of Israel. The actual birth order (see Genesis 29:31-30:24; 35:16-18) is: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin According to this section of an article from the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia there are various opinions on the order in which the names were inscribed on the stones. One opinion from an early author is that "the order corresponded to that given in Ex. i. 2-4, except that Zebulun was followed by Dan, not by Benjamin, and that the last two names were Joseph and Benjamin." This rearrangement of the order given in Exodus 1:2-4 (which lists the 11 brothers that went down to Egypt; Joseph, as noted in Exodus 1:5, was already there) would yield this order: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Joseph, Benjamin In this order, the six sons of Leah come first, then the two sons of Bilhah, then the two sons of Zilpah, then the two sons of Rachel, so that the sons of Jacobs two wives bracket the sons of their two maids. See the above-linked article segment for other opinions. A fascinating answer to a similar question on the Judaism StackExchange states: Jacob had twelve sons, and on spiritual matters, we count those twelve. With Levi as one and Joseph as one. (That's for instance what you'd find on the High Priest's decision breastplate.)
On financial/land matters, however, Levi did his own thing, and Joseph got a double portion as his sons Ephraim and Menashe. . . . So: on spiritual matters: yes Levi, and Joseph=1, total =12. On monetary matters: no Levi, and Joseph=2, total=12. The answer does not give a source of this distinction, but it does seem to hold water based on the narrative of the Hebrew Bible and Jewish traditions and scholarship. NIV refers Manasseh and Ephraim as clans of Joseph. See Joshua 16:1 where the Ephraim families received allotments of Joseph's inheritance. Verse 4 states the distribution is clan by clan. Joshua 17:2 refers to Manasseh clans. They received inheritance due to the blessing of Jacob and his acceptance of them as true grand-sons. This was an honor to Joseph in Gen. 48:5. This blessing is overlooking the boys are not fully Hebrew or of Israel as their mother was Egyptian, Gen. 46:20. Other children of Joseph were excluded from the adoption but received inheritance from their brothers, Gen. 48:6. Confusion enters in Gen. 48:5 where the boys are erroneously equated to Reuben and Simeon. Gen. 49 lists the twelve tribes and does and does not mention Manasseh or Ephraim. Gen. 49:28 states "All these are the twelve tribes..." (NIV). I believe the confusion of tribes is due to choices of the translators in confusing the intent of the text by choosing "tribe" over "clan" or "family". Welcome to the site. We are glad you decided to participate. Here are some meta posts about this site to help you learn how we do it here: What Christianity.StackExchange is (and more importantly, what it isn't) and How we are different than other sites Please also take the tour and see the help center. I hope to see you post again soon. Please also keep in mind that I and other users are willing to help you, so ask us anything if you need help. –
Hi Fred. Thanks for your answer. I tried looking up your references in the Bible, but it wasn't clear exactly which passages you were referring to. Would you please check your Bible references and edit your answer to give the exact chapters and verses in the Bible you are referring to? Thanks. – My other answer to this question focuses specifically on the tribes engraved on the breastplate as mentioned in Exodus 28:21. This answer is on the more general question of which tribes were on the list of twelve tribes, since with Ephraim and Manasseh, there were thirteen tribes total. First, the Bible consistently refers to twelve tribes, never thirteen. This has less to do with history than it does with cultural patterns. Here is an explanation from Ancient Jewish History: The Twelve Tribes of Israel at the Jewish Virtual Library: The number twelve is neither fictitious nor the result of an actual genealogical development in patriarchal history. It is an institutionalized and conventionalized figure which is found among other tribes as well, such as the sons of Ishmael, of Nahor, of Joktan, and Esau. Similar organizational patterns built about groups of twelve, or even six, tribes, are known from Asia Minor, Greece and Italy. . . . [T]here can be little doubt that this pattern of twelve attributed to the Hebrew tribes is very real and historically rooted. Thus, if one tribe were to withdraw from the union or to be absorbed into another, the number twelve would be preserved, either by splitting one of the remaining tribes into two or by accepting a new tribe into the union. For example, when the tribe of Levi is considered among the twelve tribes, the Joseph tribes are counted as one. However, when Levi is not mentioned, the Joseph tribes are counted separately as Manasseh and Ephraim. For the same duodecimal considerations, Simeon is counted as a tribe even after having been absorbed into Judah, and Manasseh even after having split in two, is considered one.
In the Bible narrative this principle can be seen being established in the book of Joshua. In the course of Joshua chapters 13-19, where the tribal inheritances (lands) are delineated, Levi is still referred as a tribe (see Joshua 13:14, 33) along with all of the twelve tribes that received tribal inheritances. But after that point in the Bible narrative, Levi is no longer called "the tribe of Levi" but rather "the Levites." The one exception to this shows that Levi was still thought of as a tribe. In 1 Chronicles 23, which is inserted into the narrative at the time of David and Solomon, which is well after the tribal inheritances were established, in a genealogy of the Levites it says: As to Moses, the man of God, his sons are called after the tribe of Levi. (1 Chronicles 23:14)
Even though historically there were thirteen tribes due to the split of the tribe of Joseph into two tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, they were always called twelve tribes, and the various lists generally include twelve names--or if they do include thirteen, Levi is distinguished from the rest. So which tribes are on the list? (Note: the lists below are not exhaustive. For a fuller account of places in the Bible where the tribes are listed, including a visual chart, see: The Twelve Tribes of Israel, by Felix Just, S.J., Ph.D.) Here are some of lists in the Old Testament in which they are specifically referred to as "tribes." None of them is in birth order: •Genesis 49:1-28: Jacob blesses his sons: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph, Benjamin. This list includes the twelve original sons of Jacob. They are referred to as "the twelve tribes of Israel" in verse 28. •Numbers 1: The census taken a month after the Exodus from Egypt. This is a particularly interesting and relevant chapter in which all thirteen tribes are mentioned, and Joseph is included as well, as the father of Ephraim and Manasseh, but the list is still kept to twelve. There are two listings. The first is in Numbers 1:5-15: Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Ephraim, Manasseh, Benjamin, Dan, Asher, Gad, Naphtali. The second is in Numbers 1:20-43: Reuben, Simeon, Gad, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Ephraim, Manasseh, Benjamin, Dan, Asher, Naphtali. In both lists Ephraim and Manasseh are included as tribes, and Levi is not. •Numbers 2: A listing of the arrangement of the tribes when encamped around the Tabernacle in the desert, and their order of marching when on the move. This is another fascinating list that includes all thirteen names. However, Levi is called "the Levites" rather than "the tribe of Levi." (The head tribe of each division of three tribes is also not specifically called a "tribe" in this listing, however.) Here is the order, with all thirteen names: Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Reuben, Simeon, Gad, Levi, Ephraim, Manasseh, Benjamin, Dan, Asher, Naphtali. •Numbers 13:1-16: At the Lord's command, Moses sent a leader from each of the twelve tribes to explore the land of Canaan. The tribes represented were: Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Ephraim, Benjamin, Zebulun, Manasseh, Dan, Asher, Naphtali, Gad. This list does not include Levi, and instead of Joseph it includes his sons Ephraim and Manasseh. •Ezekiel 48:1-29: The division of the land into tribal inheritances, as told in Ezekiel. Here is the list: Dan, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Ephraim, Reuben, Judah, Benjamin, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun, Gad. In this listing, as in the listing in Numbers 2, Levi is included in the middle, but is called "the Levites" rather than being called a tribe. •Ezekiel 48:30-35: The gates of the city will be named after the tribes of Israel: Reuben, Judah, Levi, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun, Gad, Asher, Naphtali. In contrast to the previous listing, also in Ezekiel 48, this list includes the twelve original sons of Jacob. This does not include lists in the Old Testament where they are not referred to as "tribes" but rather as as "sons" (of Jacob, or Israel), such as: •Genesis 29:31-30:24; 35:16-18 (the original birth stories) •Genesis 35:23-26 (a compact list inserted right after the birth of Benjamin, the youngest son) •Exodus 1:2-5 (a list of the sons of Jacob who went to Egypt, plus Joseph, who was already in Egypt) Finally, here are two listings in the Old Testament that use neither the word "tribe" nor the word "son," though they are clearly referring to the people belonging to each tribe: •Deuteronomy 27:9-13: Blessings from Mt. Gerizim and curses from Mt. Ebal just before entering the Holy Land to conquer it. Here is the list: Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Joseph, Benjamin, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Zebulun, Dan, Naphtali. This list includes the original twelve sons of Jacob, and does not include Ephraim and Manasseh. •Deuteronomy 33: Moses blesses the Israelites before his death. The word "tribes" occurs in verse 5, but it is not specifically applied to the names. Here is the list: Reuben, Judah, Levi, Benjamin, Joseph, Zebulun, Issachar, Gad, Dan, Naphtali, Asher. This list includes only eleven names. It is based on the twelve original sons of Jacob, but Simeon is left out. Turning to the New Testament, there is one more list of the tribes that demonstrates the rule that there must always be twelve tribes. It does this by breaking the rule that the list will include either the tribes of Joseph and Levi or the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh, but still sticking to the number twelve: •Revelation 7:1-8: 144,000 sealed, 12,000 from each tribe: Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin. This list includes Manasseh, Levi, and Joseph, and does not include Dan and Ephraim. As you can see from these examples, though the number associated with the tribes is always twelve, there is much variety in which tribes are included in the list, and especially in the order in which they are listed, throughout the Bible. Whenever the subject is the tribal inheritances, the list of twelve always excludes Levi and Joseph and includes Ephraim and Manasseh. However, in other contexts, such as blessings, it is common to list the original twelve sons of Jacob, including Levi and Joseph. Joseph the son of Rachel had 2 sons during Jacob' (Israel) lifetime and in Genesis 48:5 ; 15-16; you will see where he told Joseph that Joseph's two sons were now his (Jacob) two sons making them half and half in the 12 tribes of Israel. Numbers 11-12 tells you the Levites didn't get and land inheritance but they did receive an inheritance. But they and their descendants have towns the Levites will be able to live in but never own. Read these scripture's Genesis 48: 5 ; 15, numbers 3: 5-9 ; numbers 3: 41. Joshua 13:14 tells the Levites inheritance. Hopefully after this everyone will have a better understanding of this.
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We know where the tribe 'Judah' went after the captivity and we know where the Levites went..with Judah, back to Israel.Since you don't know where the other..."Lost Tribes of Israel" went, it would be wise to not speculate about peoples not being descendants of ancient tribes of Israel. You know, like you did about the Ashkenazi. IP: Logged |
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quote: Originally posted by jwhop: We know where the tribe 'Judah' went after the captivity and we know where the Levites went..with Judah, back to Israel.Since you don't know where the other..."Lost Tribes of Israel" went, it would be wise to not speculate about peoples not being descendants of ancient tribes of Israel. You know, like you did about the Ashkenazi.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/05/12/new-genome-research-reveals-the-true-a ncient-israelites/ Eran Elhaik - "Did contemporary Jews descend from the ancient Israelites, as the primordialists claim? Or did they descend from people who converted to Judaism by geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik [ Editor’s Note: VT has known Israeli geneticist Eran Elhaik since 2013, when we spotted the Jewish genome work he was doing at Johns Hopkins. Eran Elhaik
We noted right away that he was another of the many academics who does not let ideology and politics influence his scientific research, which is always a breath of fresh air in the geopolitical sewer that VT has to swim in every day. His work was politically controversial but solid, and he was able to defend it from the shills that attempted to discredit it. In short, his work showed that Ashkenazic Jews have about as much “people of the land” DNA as some Europeans have Neanderthal DNA. But Europeans have never referred to themselves as ancient Neanderthals nor laid claim to Africa as the “ancient homeland”, other than the former colonialists, before conditions drove them into exile. Here is my first article I wrote on Elhaik’s work, New Genome Study Destroys Zionist Claims to Palestine, published in the Press TV Viewpoints commentary section in the heydays when VT writers were constantly in the top five read articles each week. In the past six years, new Neolithic remains discoveries in Israel and the advances in genetic sequencing have combined to support Elhaik’s 2013 work, that Ashkenazi Israelis tried to pull off what he aptly described as “shooting the arrow and then drawing a bullseye around it.” His work made a deep impression on Gordon and me, how this one man with his scientific integrity stood up to the fake Hollywood Ashkenazic Zionist claim to the ancient land. A year after that, five years ago, VT began writing about fake news, how it was being done on an industrial scale, not just a few bad apples. We were never attacked over our claims, but were ignored. And then magically, about two years ago, the term “fake news” began being widely used. Elhaik describes below that the Yemenis have the closest blood links to the ancient Israelis, while the Saudis, with support from Israel, have actually been doing a mini-genocide on these closest relatives of the Ancients. Do take a look at Elhaik’s new Primeval DNA test, which goes way beyond letting us know we are all descended from early Africans. Most of us are more interested in where our ancestors were a few thousand to 10K years ago, and his new project can compare your DNA to the pool of ancient remains that have had their DNA sequenced … Jim W. Dean ] * * Who is really a descendant of ancient Israel is now coming into focus, thanks to the huge breakthroughs in genetic sequencing
– First published … May 11, 2019 – Dr. Eran Elhaik is a population, medical, and evolutionary geneticist at the University of Sheffield, UK. http://www.eranelhaiklab.org/. Reprinted on VT by permission of author. The Vision of the Valley of Dry Bones prophecy is one of the most powerful prophecies of the prophet Ezekiel. In this vision, Ezekiel finds himself in a valley full of dry human bones of Israelite origins. He is asked to revive them, bring them hope, and lead them to the land of Israel. For the past decades, Paleogenomics, the field dealing with ancient genomes, has been fulfilling Ezekiel’s vision by extracting DNA from dry bones and telling their stories with increasing accuracy. As Ezekiel envisioned, only dry (and cold) bones can tell stories. Humidity and heat accelerate the degradation of the DNA beyond repair. At times, even the samples we can use are of poor quality, leading to an inability to put together all the pieces of the DNA and thus incomplete stories from the bones as if told by stuttering tongueless skeletons. These are only some of the challenges we face in our efforts to reconstruct the past. Ezekiel’s prophecies were written in the 6th century after several exiles of the Judeans to Babylon (601-582 BC). The importance of this vision to the debate on the continuity of the Jewish people became apparent very quickly. Already in the Talmud, two interpretations were offered. The first considered it a complete allegory. The second considered it a reality where the Babylonian exiles returned to Israel and continued the Judaean bloodline. Zionism, a secular movement that recruited the Bible to serve its needs whenever necessary, considered the State of Israel the ultimate fulfillment of Ezekiel prophecies and called to the ingathering of the exiles. The question of whether Ezekiel’s vision has been correctly interpreted is not anachronistic and has offshoots in history, archeology, linguistics, and genetics – the battlefields of the primordialists and constructivists. Did contemporary Jews descend from the ancient Israelites, as the primordialists claim? Or did they descend from people who converted to Judaism and only later on adopted nationalist ideas as the constructivist camp argues? Of course, one look at Ethiopian, Yemenite, Ashkenazic, and Russian Jews can lend credence to the constructivist view without digging up a single bone. However, the primordialist camp has ready-made answers to that question. It criticized the weak diasporas Jews who succumbed to assimilation and embraced the Jews who remained as authentic Israelites. It has always been clear that the only way to decide which Jewish communities represent the ancient Israelites most accurately, we should go back to the source – Israel. Therefore, in the late 19th century a search for the jüdische Typus, the “Jewish type” was launched. Anthropologists explored Palestine, studied the native inhabitants, and compare their anthropological measures to Jews. The results of these studies were incredibly disappointing, at least to the Ashkenazic Jews who carried out these studies and craved to see the jüdische Typus reflected in the mirror. As it turned out, Yemenite Jews held the greatest anthropological resemblance to the wandering Bedouins, the poster boys of the Patriarchs. Ashkenazic Jews, by contrast, resembled the Caucasian type more than anything else (Efron 1994). This was not what Zionist leaders wanted to hear amid the formation of their nationalistic movement that called Jews to return to their homeland, fight and, maybe, die for it. The research question had to be rephrased. Abandoning any desire to see a jüdische Typus specimen ever again, the new research paradigm focused on studying features common to all contemporary Jews and deriving the characteristics of the jüdische Typus from them (Elhaik 2016). Unfortunately, no biomarker for Jewishness was ever found in a way that excluded Jews from non-Jews. Yet the question remained: which of all the Jews who have nothing in common except religion, best represent the Ancient Israelites. The answer among the Ashkenazic Jewish researchers was almost unanimous – let us mould the jüdische Typus in our own image. To support these claims, geneticists began producing a large body of literature aimed to support and prove two things: 1) their genetic superiority and 2) their genetic ties to Israel, by showing their resemblance to Levantine populations (Falk 2017), whose own claims to the land were later dismissed on account of being “work migrants.” Kirsh (2003) demonstrated how human geneticists and physicians have consistently manipulated their results and emphasized the sociological and historical aspects of their research using their work as a vehicle for establishing a national identity and confirming the Zionist narrative. The mammoth in the room was the lack of any genetic evidence from the ancient Israelites that would allow testing the similarity of their DNA to that of modern-day Jews. Since no one imagined that mammoths would ever come to life, they avoided the problem completely. It was much easier to pretend that modern-day Jews and, Ashkenazic Jews, in particular, are living replicas of the ancient Israelites who not only were all related to one another but also resisted the gene flow from non-Jews all this time. One such enthusiastic advocate is Harry Ostrer (2012), who incidentally tipped his hand by explaining that, “The stakes in genetic analysis are high. It is more than an issue of who belongs in the family and can partake in Jewish life and Israeli citizenship. It touches on the heart of Zionist claims for a Jewish homeland in Israel. One can imagine future disputes about exactly how large the shared Middle Eastern ancestry of Jewish groups has to be to justify Zionist claims.” It seems that Ostrer, a resident of a former Native Indian land now known as New York, is so passionate to gain rights to more lands that he completely forgot that his recent 2010 study (Atzmon et al. 2010) ascribed only 50% of Middle Eastern ancestry to Jews compared to 56-59% of non-Jews. Ostrer’s proposal, thereby, grants non-Jews the largest proportion of the land although they represent only 25% of the general population. One has to assume that those 50% Middle Eastern ancestry of Jews must have experienced a mitosis between the two publications to avoid considering Dr. Ostrer suggestions as discriminatory toward the Jewish people. Despite of the imagined link between modern-day Jews and the ancient Israelites, the claims of the primordialist camp became well accepted in the direct-to-consumer industry. The myth of the “Cohen gene” (Skorecki et al. 1997) or “Four mitochondrial mothers” (Behar et al. 2004) produced by the members of this camp became the bedrock of the Genetic Judaism era, where one needs only to order a genetic test from the right company to receive a Jewishness certificate. Four mothers? We counted over 20 in Ashkenazic Jews alone. Figure 4 from (Das et al. 2016)
Paleogenomics changed all that. Thanks to advances in the field, it became possible to extract DNA from ancient people and identify their mictochondrial haplogroups and even autosomal DNA. This remarkable progress allowed the unthinkable: A semi-revival of the ancient Israeltes from their dry bones and the recovery of their stories. The DNA extracted from those bones can tell us who these people were, what they looked like, what they ate, and what diseases they carried (Nielsen et al. 2017; Prohaska et al. 2019). We can trace their migration routes to gain a deeper understanding of where we all came from. Yes, they can also tell us how similar those ancient Israelites were to modern-day people, and if modern-day Jews are not the lineal descendants of the ancient Israelites, we can find out who is. To answer some of these questions, I launched the Primeval DNA test. The test allows anyone to upload their autosomal DNA file obtained from any genetic company and compare themselves to ancient people from an initial set of seven populations: Ice Age Europeans, Stone Age Europeans, Medieval Vikings, Egyptian mummies, Roman Britons, Chumash Paleo-Indians, and Ancient Israelites. The dry bones from the Rakefet Cave (From Wikimedia)
The ancient Israelites were obtained from three regions Motza Tachtit at the territory of the tribe of Benjamin, Peqi’in (Naphtali), and Rakefet Cave (Manasseh), near the valley of the Rakefet river. The results can be discussed in our FB group. I also launched the Ancient DNA Hub as a source of knowledge on ancient cultures whose DNA has have been sequenced. The Primeval DNA test is the most potent genetic tool publicly available to test claims of ancient origins. It allows anyone to journey to their deep past, and explore for the first time their genetic similarity with ancient people. The bones still cannot speak, but in their own way, they have a lot to teach us and allow us to reevaluate our core beliefs. The answer to the question who is closer to the ancient Israelites rests in the DNA extracted from some 50 bones of ancient Israelites and Judaeans with many more to come. Are modern-Jews mostly Middle Easterns (or ancient Israelites) like Ostrer claims? Hardly. I ran the test on 80 Jews from various communities. Upon examining the results, I could not help noticing the irony considering how the progress in population genetics validated the findings of the 19th-century anthropologists who combed the Levant in an honest search for the jüdische Typus before the repercussions of their findings became clear and their results were deplored on every stage. The most similar Jews to the ancient Israelites who left their dry bones in the Rakefet Valley in Israel were Yemenite Jews, but that genetic similarity was less than 10%, on average, in agreement with our previous analyses ascribing less than 5% ancient Levantine ancestry to Ashkenazic Jews (Das et al. 2017) and in support of their potential relatedness to the Ashina tribe. Yet, these averages mask the high heterogeneity among all Jewish communities. Some people may share the highest similarity with Gal (named after Wonder Woman actress Gal Gadot), a young Neolithic women – only 6200 years old, and other people may find that they are close to Abraham, a Turkish man (E1b1) who led a group of Anatolians to what he must too have felt was the promised land. Example of results from the Ancient Israelites test of the Primeval DNA test.
Due to the many population replacements that the area experienced, we can see a diverse range of mitochondrial haplogroups that vary over time. Among the most common lineages are J2, K1a, and T. An analysis of Judaeans from the first century AD confirmed the prevalence of the T haplogroup (Matheson et al. 2009), found today in less than 10% of Ashkenazic Jews Unsurprisingly, not a single skeleton matches the alleged four Ashkenazic Jewish mothers, whose origin is in prehistoric Europe (Costa et al. 2013). As expected, an exact match with one of those mothers was found in Neolithoc Spain (Haak et al. 2015). Interestingly, the Y chromosomal haplotypes of the ancient Israelites are typically E1b1 and T1 haplotypes, commonly found today in Africa with lower frequencies in the Middle East and Europe. We can expect that future tests covering other regions of the world would be able to explain the remaining portion of the elusive Jewish ancestry. Only time will say if “Genetic Jewishness” will evolve onto “Primeval Jewishness” where people define their Jewishness based on their similarity to ancient Israelites and Jews rather than modern ones. Think about it the next time that your favorite genetic testing company tells you that you have some “Ashkenazic Jewish ancestry” or worse, that you are 100% Jews. I hope that future tests covering other regions of the world would be able to explain the remaining portion of the elusive Jewish ancestry. Will “Genetic Jewishness” evolve onto “Primeval Jewishness” where people define their Jewishness based on their similarity to ancient Israelites and Jews rather than modern ones. Only time will say. Dr. Eran Elhaik is a population, medical, and evolutionary geneticist at the University of Sheffield, UK. http://www.eranelhaiklab.org/. All the rights to the content of this article are reserved to the author. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/06/eran-elhaik-in-search-of-the-true-jewish-patriarchs/ [ Editor’s note: VT has known Israeli geneticist Eran Elhaik since 2013, when we spotted the Jewish genome work he was doing at Johns Hopkins. We noted right away that he was another of the many Jewish academics who does not let ideology and politics influence his scientific research, which is always a breath of fresh air in the geopolitical sewer that VT has to swim in every day. Eran Elhaik
The work was controversial but solid, and he was able to defend it from the shills that attempted to discredit it. In short, his work showed that Ashkenazi Jews have about as much “people of the land” DNA as Europeans have Neanderthal DNA. But Europeans have never referred to themselves as ancient Neanderthals or laid claim to Africa as the “ancient homeland” before conditions drove them into exile. Here is my first article I wrote on his work, New Genome Study Destroys Zionist Claims to Palestine, published in the Press TV Viewpoints commentary section in the heydays when VT writers were constantly in the top five read articles each week, sometimes three out of five. Eventually Viewpoints was shut down overnight without a word of explanation after a management change, despite the readership that VT had helped promote into the millions. It was a great partnership for both of us, but we suspected that the usual suspects had infiltrated Press TV to kill Viewpoints. The newsroom manager responsible was fired soon after in a public sex scandal with a staff member, and we have not seen hide or hair of him since. Eran Elhaik continues his research work in England now, and continues to publish his Jewish genome work at The Khazar DNA project. We highly recommend it, of course. In a day when everything seems fake, this is plain old-fashioned scientific research, where you follow the evidence to wherever it takes you, without the political or ideological filtering … Jim W. Dean ] Jim's Editor’s Notes are solely crowdfunded via PayPal Jim's work includes research, field trips, Heritage TV Legacy archiving & more. Thanks for helping. Click to donate >> – First published September 5, 2018 – … by Eran Elhaik Axis Russia, Turkey-Iran: Alliance or “Situational line?” – Veterans Today | Military Foreign Affairs Policy Journal for Clandestine Services
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The quest to trace the Jewish Patriarchs has been going on for millennia. According to mythology, the Judaeans descended from three Patriarchs—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—who are buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs (Cave of Machpelah) in Hebron along with Adam and Eve and the four Matriarchs—Sara, Rebecca, Leah, and Rachel.
The cave was never excavated, but on top of it is a relatively modern building, which Herod the Great built, likely to honor his Edomite ancestors. From the more scientific efforts in this quest, recent DNA analyses of Ashkenazic Jews revealed that their maternal line is European and that their autosomal DNA has only 3% ancient Levantines ancestry, similar to what Europeans share with Neanderthals. So if the remains in the cave are neither that of the Israelites’ nor modern-day Jews’ Patriarchs, where can we find the Jewish Patriarchs? During the 6th century, the Gok-Turkic tribe of Ashina were forced to migrate westwards toward the Caucasus. Thanks to their organizational and military skills, the Ashina united the Caucasus tribes and formed the Khazar Khaganate. Offering freedom of worship and taxing trade, the Khaganate quickly rose to power, threatening the Byzantine Empire and Umayyad Caliphate. As it turned out, uniting dozens of Eurasian tribes was a relatively small matter compared with matters beyond their borders. The Pagan Ashina realized very quickly that being situated on the Silk Roads means potentially high income but also tension with their monotheistic neighbors. At that time, most of the world’s Jews were in Iran. They were descendants of the refugee elite of the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles, the Jews of Habayeb, but mainly converts. The DNA of Iranian and Iraqi Jews look like the DNA of the local populations. The tolerance of the Persians encouraged the Jews to adopt Persian names, words, traditions, and religious practices, and climb up the social ladder gaining a monopoly on trade. To maintain their monopoly, they invented secret languages and converted populations along the Black Sea to expand their global network. DNA of Yiddish speakers could have originated from four ancient villages in northwest Turkey
Among these converts were the Alans, Greeks, and Slavs who resided along the south shores of the Black Sea. Upon conversion, they translated the Bible into Greek, built synagogues, and continued expanding the Jewish trade network. Their Judaism, however, was an anomaly in the Old World. These Jews enjoyed good relationships with the Romans, had female community leaders, and rejected circumcision. In these respects, the Jews of Asia Minor were pre-Reform. Living in the mythological land of Noah’s great-grandson and knowing the Biblical legends of their mighty Scythians neighbors, these Jews adopted the name Ashkenaz. The DNA of Ashkenazic Jews can be traced to “Ancient Ashkenaz,” an intersection of trade routes in Eastern Turkey, adjacent to four primordial villages whose name derived from the word “Ashkenaz.” The Ashkenazic Jews began migrating to central Europe and the Caucasus, where they were disappointed to learn that the political wisdom of the Ashina outshone their financial wisdom. Like their religion, the pre-capitalistic Jewish trade was strange to the Ashina, but they were convinced that Judaism was the solution to their problems. Indeed, following their Judaization, the Ashina (or Ansa) became legendarily rich and lived in relative peace with their neighbors. The Khazar Jews adopted Slavic practices and began developing Yiddish as a new secret language suitable to Slavic lands. At that time, Jews acquired the Y chromosomal haplogroups Q1b-L275 (Q-Y2200) and R1a-Z94 that likely originated from the Ashina elite and other core Khazar Clans. The R1a-Z94 haplogroup is found in Jew with the priestly surname “Levi,” perhaps indicating their Shaman origin. When the Jewish Empire began to collapse, by the 10th century, the Jews migrated to Ukraine and Italy. The global Jewish trade network collapsed, East separated from the West, and the Jews of Iran and Ashkenaz reunited only after a millennium. Yiddish became the lingua franca of Ashkenazic Jews and absorbed German words while maintaining the Slavic grammar. The global trade moved to the hands of the Italians, Dutch, and English, and the Jews were pushed aside. When asked to adopt surnames during the 17th and 18th centuries, many chose the surname Kohen, Khahan, Kogan, and their derivatives, which echoed their Khazarian origin and their Khagan ruler. The Ashina and core Khazar Clans were absorbed by the Ashkenazic Jews. Browsing through the Y haplogroup of prominent Jewish figures like the Gaon of Vilna and the Banker family Oppenheim reveals that these Clans continue to hold positions of spiritual and financial leadership. Interestingly, the Israeli Prime minister noted that he is a descendant of the Gaon of Vilna. This story could not be told without the use of genetic technology (like STRs, GPS Origins, Ancient GPS, and TPS) that track the past of modern-day people. Though they may not be able to pinpoint a burial site, these tools allow a new appreciation of the Ashina and Khazar Clans from which some of the real Jewish Patriarchs came from.
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"Khazar" study thoroughly debunked A year ago, scientifically illiterate media started reporting on a study by Eran Elhaik of Johns Hopkins University that claimed that it proved decisively that Ashkenazi Jews descended from Khazars, and not the Middle East. I showed then not only that Elhaik's paper was sloppy and that the methodology was problematic, but also that Elhaik was clearly painting the bullseye after shooting the arrow - he intended from the beginning to prove the bizarre Khazar theory before gathering data, the exact opposite of how a scientist is supposed to act. It turns out that the researchers who gathered the datasets that Elhaik cherry-picked to reach his foregone conclusions have demonstratively debunked Elhaik and his methods. From their paper, named "No Evidence from Genome-Wide Data of a Khazar Origin for the Ashkenazi Jews": Abstract. The origin and history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population have long been of great interest, and advances in high-throughput genetic analysis have recently provided a new approach for investigating these topics. We and others have argued on the basis of genome-wide data that the Ashkenazi Jewish population derives its ancestry from a combination of sources tracing to both Europe and the Middle East. It has been claimed, however, through a reanalysis of some of our data, that a large part of the ancestry of the Ashkenazi population originates with the Khazars, a Turkic-speaking group that lived to the north of the Caucasus region ~1,000 years ago. Because the Khazar population has left no obvious modern descendants that could enable a clear test for a contribution to Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, the Khazar hypothesis has been difficult to examine using genetics. Furthermore, because only limited genetic data have been available from the Caucasus region, and because these data have been concentrated in populations that are genetically close to populations from the Middle East, the attribution of any signal of Ashkenazi-Caucasus genetic similarity to Khazar ancestry rather than shared ancestral Middle Eastern ancestry has been problematic. Here, through integration of genotypes on newly collected samples with data from several of our past studies, we have assembled the largest data set available to date for assessment of Ashkenazi Jewish genetic origins. This data set contains genome-wide single-nucleotide polymorphisms in 1,774 samples from 106 Jewish and non-Jewish populations that span the possible regions of potential Ashkenazi ancestry: Europe, the Middle East, and the region historically associated with the Khazar Khaganate. The data set includes 261 samples from 15 populations from the Caucasus region and the region directly to its north, samples that have not previously been included alongside Ashkenazi Jewish samples in genomic studies. Employing a variety of standard techniques for the analysis of population-genetic structure, we find that Ashkenazi Jews share the greatest genetic ancestry with other Jewish populations, and among non-Jewish populations, with groups from Europe and the Middle East. No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews with populations from the Caucasus is evident, particularly with the populations that most closely represent the Khazar region. Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region. ...One recent study (Elhaik, 2013), making use of part of our data set (Behar and others, 2010), focused specifically on the Khazar hypothesis, arguing that it has strong genetic support. This claim was built on a series of analyses similar to those performed in our original study that initially reported the data. However, the reanalysis relied on the provocative assumption that the Armenians and Georgians of the South Caucasus region could serve as appropriate proxies for Khazar descendants (Elhaik, 2013). This assumption is problematic for a number of reasons. First, because of the great variety of populations in the Caucasus region and the fact that no specific population in the region is known to represent Khazar descendants, evidence for ancestry among Caucasus populations need not reflect Khazar ancestry. Second, even if it were allowed that Caucasus affinities could represent Khazar ancestry, the use of the Armenians and Georgians as Khazar proxies is particularly poor , as they represent the southern part of the Caucasus region, while the Khazar Khaganate was centered in the North Caucasus and further to the north. Furthermore, among populations of the Caucasus, Armenians and Georgians are geographically the closest to the Middle East, and are therefore expected a priori to show the greatest genetic similarity to Middle Eastern populations. Indeed, a rather high similarity of South Caucasus populations to Middle Eastern groups was observed at the level of the whole genome in a recent study (Yunusbayev and others, 2012). Thus, any genetic similarity between Ashkenazi Jews and Armenians and Georgians might merely reflect a common shared Middle Eastern ancestry component, actually providing further support to a Middle Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Jews, rather than a hint for a Khazar origin..... http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2014/02/khazar-study-thoroughly-debunked.html Rational people see right through the fraud perpetrated by those attempting to dispossess Israelites from their ancient homeland by fraudulent claims they're not descendants of ancient tribes of Israel. That's what this is really about. IP: Logged |
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populations with Ashkenazi Jews was relatively low. Since this is a scientific paper, they can't say that Elhaik was a hack, but it is clear that his methods - using data from these very researchers - prove how low people will stoop to buttress their biases. Of course, the media will never give this study (written last year) the same coverage that Elhaik's lies received. (h/t The Jewish Press) (the this researcher Elder of Ziyon doesn't have a dog in the fight . of course throw in a little ridicule to put some credence to your "unprejudiced viewpoint.. I followed the links given to see what scientific credentials he author or authors had and I couldn't find any information of the scientific credientials of the authors given?todd)
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: "Khazar" study thoroughly debunked A year ago, scientifically illiterate media started reporting on a study by [b]Eran Elhaik of Johns Hopkins University that claimed that it proved decisively that Ashkenazi Jews descended from Khazars, and not the Middle East. I showed then not only that Elhaik's paper was sloppy and that the methodology was problematic, but also that Elhaik was clearly painting the bullseye after shooting the arrow - he intended from the beginning to prove the bizarre Khazar theory before gathering data, the exact opposite of how a scientist is supposed to act. It turns out that the researchers who gathered the datasets that Elhaik cherry-picked to reach his foregone conclusions have demonstratively debunked Elhaik and his methods. From their paper, named "No Evidence from Genome-Wide Data of a Khazar Origin for the Ashkenazi Jews": Abstract. The origin and history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population have long been of great interest, and advances in high-throughput genetic analysis have recently provided a new approach for investigating these topics. We and others have argued on the basis of genome-wide data that the Ashkenazi Jewish population derives its ancestry from a combination of sources tracing to both Europe and the Middle East. It has been claimed, however, through a reanalysis of some of our data, that a large part of the ancestry of the Ashkenazi population originates with the Khazars, a Turkic-speaking group that lived to the north of the Caucasus region ~1,000 years ago. Because the Khazar population has left no obvious modern descendants that could enable a clear test for a contribution to Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, the Khazar hypothesis has been difficult to examine using genetics. Furthermore, because only limited genetic data have been available from the Caucasus region, and because these data have been concentrated in populations that are genetically close to populations from the Middle East, the attribution of any signal of Ashkenazi-Caucasus genetic similarity to Khazar ancestry rather than shared ancestral Middle Eastern ancestry has been problematic. Here, through integration of genotypes on newly collected samples with data from several of our past studies, we have assembled the largest data set available to date for assessment of Ashkenazi Jewish genetic origins. This data set contains genome-wide single-nucleotide polymorphisms in 1,774 samples from 106 Jewish and non-Jewish populations that span the possible regions of potential Ashkenazi ancestry: Europe, the Middle East, and the region historically associated with the Khazar Khaganate. The data set includes 261 samples from 15 populations from the Caucasus region and the region directly to its north, samples that have not previously been included alongside Ashkenazi Jewish samples in genomic studies. Employing a variety of standard techniques for the analysis of population-genetic structure, we find that Ashkenazi Jews share the greatest genetic ancestry with other Jewish populations, and among non-Jewish populations, with groups from Europe and the Middle East. No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews with populations from the Caucasus is evident, particularly with the populations that most closely represent the Khazar region. Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region. ...One recent study (Elhaik, 2013), making use of part of our data set (Behar and others, 2010), focused specifically on the Khazar hypothesis, arguing that it has strong genetic support. This claim was built on a series of analyses similar to those performed in our original study that initially reported the data. However, the reanalysis relied on the provocative assumption that the Armenians and Georgians of the South Caucasus region could serve as appropriate proxies for Khazar descendants (Elhaik, 2013). This assumption is problematic for a number of reasons. First, because of the great variety of populations in the Caucasus region and the fact that no specific population in the region is known to represent Khazar descendants, evidence for ancestry among Caucasus populations need not reflect Khazar ancestry. Second, even if it were allowed that Caucasus affinities could represent Khazar ancestry, the use of the Armenians and Georgians as Khazar proxies is particularly poor , as they represent the southern part of the Caucasus region, while the Khazar Khaganate was centered in the North Caucasus and further to the north. Furthermore, among populations of the Caucasus, Armenians and Georgians are geographically the closest to the Middle East, and are therefore expected a priori to show the greatest genetic similarity to Middle Eastern populations. Indeed, a rather high similarity of South Caucasus populations to Middle Eastern groups was observed at the level of the whole genome in a recent study (Yunusbayev and others, 2012). Thus, any genetic similarity between Ashkenazi Jews and Armenians and Georgians might merely reflect a common shared Middle Eastern ancestry component, actually providing further support to a Middle Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Jews, rather than a hint for a Khazar origin..... http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2014/02/khazar-study-thoroughly-debunked.html Rational people see right through the fraud perpetrated by those attempting to dispossess Israelites from their ancient homeland by fraudulent claims they're not descendants of ancient tribes of Israel. That's what this is really about.[/B]
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"However, the reanalysis relied on the provocative assumption that the Armenians and Georgians of the South Caucasus region could serve as appropriate proxies for Khazar descendants (Elhaik, 2013)The stench of academic fraud. We don't got no Khazar's for genetic testing...so, we'll just substitute some Armenians and Georgians! Well, let's see...I'm doing a lab experiment and I don't have any sulfuric acid so, I'll substitute some Hydrochloric Acid with a dash of Nitric Acid. That shouldn't change the results! IP: Logged |
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(my best friend at UCLSA was Sephardim. one has to be blind not to see the striking difference between the dsrk features sepahrdim and the pasty white completion of most Ashkenazis.clearly they are of difference racial stock.the Sephardim can be traced directly to Palestine while the Ashkenazi appears first in Germany...Ashkenazi translate as Germany leaving no doubt their origin todd) Dr. Eran Elhaik is a population, medical, and evolutionary geneticist at the University of Sheffield, UK. http://www.eranelhaiklab.org/. All the rights to the content of this article are reserved to the author. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/06/eran-elhaik-in-search-of-the-true-jewish-patriarchs/ [ Editor’s note: VT has known Israeli geneticist Eran Elhaik since 2013, when we spotted the Jewish genome work he was doing at Johns Hopkins. We noted right away that he was another of the many Jewish academics who does not let ideology and politics influence his scientific research, which is always a breath of fresh air in the geopolitical sewer that VT has to swim in every day. Eran Elhaik
The work was controversial but solid, and he was able to defend it from the shills that attempted to discredit it. In short, his work showed that Ashkenazi Jews have about as much “people of the land” DNA as Europeans have Neanderthal DNA. But Europeans have never referred to themselves as ancient Neanderthals or laid claim to Africa as the “ancient homeland” before conditions drove them into exile. Here is my first article I wrote on his work, New Genome Study Destroys Zionist Claims to Palestine, published in the Press TV Viewpoints commentary section in the heydays when VT writers were constantly in the top five read articles each week, sometimes three out of five. Eventually Viewpoints was shut down overnight without a word of explanation after a management change, despite the readership that VT had helped promote into the millions. Dr. Eran Elhaik is a population, medical, and evolutionary geneticist at the University of Sheffield, UK. http://www.eranelhaiklab.org/. All the rights to the content of this article are reserved to the author.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/06/eran-elhaik-in-search-of-the-true-jewish-patriarchs/ [ Editor’s note: VT has known Israeli geneticist Eran Elhaik since 2013, when we spotted the Jewish genome work he was doing at Johns Hopkins. We noted right away that he was another of the many Jewish academics who does not let ideology and politics influence his scientific research, which is always a breath of fresh air in the geopolitical sewer that VT has to swim in every day. Eran Elhaik
The work was controversial but solid, and he was able to defend it from the shills that attempted to discredit it. In short, his work showed that Ashkenazi Jews have about as much “people of the land” DNA as Europeans have Neanderthal DNA. But Europeans have never referred to themselves as ancient Neanderthals or laid claim to Africa as the “ancient homeland” before conditions drove them into exile. Here is my first article I wrote on his work, New Genome Study Destroys Zionist Claims to Palestine, published in the Press TV Viewpoints commentary section in the heydays when VT writers were constantly in the top five read articles each week, sometimes three out of five. Eventually Viewpoints was shut down overnight without a word of explanation after a management change, despite the readership that VT had helped promote into the millions. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/06/eran-elhaik-in-search-of-the-true-jewish-patriarchs/ Eran Elhaik – In Search of The True Jewish Patriarchs ( I'll take the side of a scientist over a raving fanatic anyday todd) First published September 5, 2018 – … by Eran Elhaik The quest to trace the Jewish Patriarchs has been going on for millennia. According to mythology, the Judaeans descended from three Patriarchs—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—who are buried in the Cave of the Patriarchs (Cave of Machpelah) in Hebron along with Adam and Eve and the four Matriarchs—Sara, Rebecca, Leah, and Rachel.
The cave was never excavated, but on top of it is a relatively modern building, which Herod the Great built, likely to honor his Edomite ancestors. From the more scientific efforts in this quest, recent DNA analyses of Ashkenazic Jews revealed that their maternal line is European and that their autosomal DNA has only 3% ancient Levantines ancestry, similar to what Europeans share with Neanderthals. So if the remains in the cave are neither that of the Israelites’ nor modern-day Jews’ Patriarchs, where can we find the Jewish Patriarchs? During the 6th century, the Gok-Turkic tribe of Ashina were forced to migrate westwards toward the Caucasus. Thanks to their organizational and military skills, the Ashina united the Caucasus tribes and formed the Khazar Khaganate. Offering freedom of worship and taxing trade, the Khaganate quickly rose to power, threatening the Byzantine Empire and Umayyad Caliphate. As it turned out, uniting dozens of Eurasian tribes was a relatively small matter compared with matters beyond their borders. The Pagan Ashina realized very quickly that being situated on the Silk Roads means potentially high income but also tension with their monotheistic neighbors. At that time, most of the world’s Jews were in Iran. They were descendants of the refugee elite of the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles, the Jews of Habayeb, but mainly converts. The DNA of Iranian and Iraqi Jews look like the DNA of the local populations. The tolerance of the Persians encouraged the Jews to adopt Persian names, words, traditions, and religious practices, and climb up the social ladder gaining a monopoly on trade. To maintain their monopoly, they invented secret languages and converted populations along the Black Sea to expand their global network. DNA of Yiddish speakers could have originated from four ancient villages in northwest Turkey
Among these converts were the Alans, Greeks, and Slavs who resided along the south shores of the Black Sea. Upon conversion, they translated the Bible into Greek, built synagogues, and continued expanding the Jewish trade network. Their Judaism, however, was an anomaly in the Old World. These Jews enjoyed good relationships with the Romans, had female community leaders, and rejected circumcision. In these respects, the Jews of Asia Minor were pre-Reform. Living in the mythological land of Noah’s great-grandson and knowing the Biblical legends of their mighty Scythians neighbors, these Jews adopted the name Ashkenaz. The DNA of Ashkenazic Jews can be traced to “Ancient Ashkenaz,” an intersection of trade routes in Eastern Turkey, adjacent to four primordial villages whose name derived from the word “Ashkenaz.” The Ashkenazic Jews began migrating to central Europe and the Caucasus, where they were disappointed to learn that the political wisdom of the Ashina outshone their financial wisdom. Like their religion, the pre-capitalistic Jewish trade was strange to the Ashina, but they were convinced that Judaism was the solution to their problems. Indeed, following their Judaization, the Ashina (or Ansa) became legendarily rich and lived in relative peace with their neighbors. The Khazar Jews adopted Slavic practices and began developing Yiddish as a new secret language suitable to Slavic lands. At that time, Jews acquired the Y chromosomal haplogroups Q1b-L275 (Q-Y2200) and R1a-Z94 that likely originated from the Ashina elite and other core Khazar Clans. The R1a-Z94 haplogroup is found in Jew with the priestly surname “Levi,” perhaps indicating their Shaman origin. When the Jewish Empire began to collapse, by the 10th century, the Jews migrated to Ukraine and Italy. The global Jewish trade network collapsed, East separated from the West, and the Jews of Iran and Ashkenaz reunited only after a millennium. Yiddish became the lingua franca of Ashkenazic Jews and absorbed German words while maintaining the Slavic grammar. The global trade moved to the hands of the Italians, Dutch, and English, and the Jews were pushed aside. When asked to adopt surnames during the 17th and 18th centuries, many chose the surname Kohen, Khahan, Kogan, and their derivatives, which echoed their Khazarian origin and their Khagan ruler. The Ashina and core Khazar Clans were absorbed by the Ashkenazic Jews. Browsing through the Y haplogroup of prominent Jewish figures like the Gaon of Vilna and the Banker family Oppenheim reveals that these Clans continue to hold positions of spiritual and financial leadership. Interestingly, the Israeli Prime minister noted that he is a descendant of the Gaon of Vilna. This story could not be told without the use of genetic technology (like STRs, GPS Origins, Ancient GPS, and TPS) that track the past of modern-day people. Though they may not be able to pinpoint a burial site, these tools allow a new appreciation of the Ashina and Khazar Clans from which some of the real Jewish Patriarchs came from. IP: Logged |
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http://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/watch-voting-machine-automatically-changes-selection-of-ms-governor-candidate-to-his-opponent/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1270 WATCH: Voting machine automatically changes selection of MS governor candidate to his opponent In a video posted to Facebook this Tuesday morning, a Mississippi voter showed what appeared to be a glitch in a voting machine being used for the state’s GOP governor primary runoff, the Clarion Ledger reports. In the video posted by Sally Kate Walker, the voting machine’s touch screen changed the selection from Republican candidate Bill Waller Jr. to his opponent and fellow Republican Tate Reeves. The two are in a GOP primary run-off to face Democratic Attorney General Jim Hood in the November general election.
According to the Clarion Ledger, Reeves currently leads Waller by 16 percentage points.
As the video shows, as the voter clicks Waller’s name on the touch screen, the selection automatically changes to Reeves.
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posted February 06, 2020 06:03 PM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/02/06/duff-was-right-kosher-nostra-rigs-iowa-vote-count-for-butt-kis Duff was right. Kosher Nostra rigs Iowa vote count for “Butt-Kiss” Iowa disaster redux: DNC demands recanvass as more sordid details emerge about Shadow app’s backers …from Russia Today, Moscow [ Editor’s Note: As VT has editorialized, rigging elections has been an industry, worldwide one, for some time. As far as we know, ex-Israeli Intel geeks, now election consultants, are still voting cemetery lists in Africa. And I am not saying its a black thing. It continued in the American South until someone in a Georgia Democratic primary submitted the list alphabetically, which stood out a bit more and the gig was up. None other than Jeff Davis himself filled me in on that before he died a decade ago. When electronic voting machines came on we knew it would be the wild wild west where the programmers would be the fastest guns. What is missing in the story below is no mention of the FBI already beginning to collect information for a federal investigation. That is because the FBI does not initiate investigations. They go through political screening first before being assigned to agents. I will let you guess why. One of the first acts that Trump did was fire the NY US attorney that had been leading the prosecutions against him, and it didn’t dull Trump’s shine at all, going over the often distracted voters heads. But they did not know then that Trump would be the gift that keeps on giving, or bumbling as the case may be. The Democrat’s blatant rigging of their last primary against Bernie is now carved in stone, and the same rigging players are already set to do a repeat at the convention, as you will read below. I will try to not say something unkind (a military term) about people and organizations being to stupid to breathe. This is a huge scandal, but one that will probably go nowhere. Those in the rigging business have the brains and the money to know that mistakes will happened and investigations needed to be run into the “inconclusive” closet. Welcome to American democracy, the best that money can buy… Jim W Dean ] “No need to vacuum up any votes buddy, we already hoovered them up electronically”
– First published … February 06, 2020 – Increasingly glaring irregularities in the Iowa caucus have forced DNC chair Tom Perez to call for a recanvass, as new revelations about those who funded the fiasco suggest a campaign to steal not just the election, but the party. Just when it looked like the Iowa caucus nightmare was over, with 97 percent of precincts reporting and so many “inconsistencies” glossed over to reach that point that the most corrupt banana republic would raise an eyebrow, Perez has called for a do-over. “In light of the problems that have emerged” and “to assure public confidence in the results,” the party leader ordered its Iowa chapter to “immediately begin a recanvass” on Thursday, adding that a recanvass is not a recount per se but “a review of the worksheets from each caucus site. South Bend, Indiana mayor Pete Buttigieg’s brazen caucus-night declaration of victory had been hanging by a thread – Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, clearly the favorite by the popular vote, was gaining on his younger rival in delegate count as well before Perez suggested they restart the process. Shell-shocked voters had sat patiently through three days of revelations that the corruption and malfeasance infecting the party made 2016’s efforts to rig the primary for Hillary Clinton look like milk and cookies. And now they had to do it again? The straw that broke the camel’s back might have been the Iowa Democrats’ sheepish walk-back of a set of phony results for Black Hawk County on Wednesday night, which had mysteriously handed a large chunk of Sanders votes to billionaire Tom Steyer and former Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick. When the county supervisor published the actual results, the party dutifully updated their totals to reflect reality after promising a “minor correction.” But this nonchalant correction of yet another supposedly innocent mistake – all of which, some noticed, had penalized Sanders – wasn’t enough for voters who had lost patience with the process. “How many other counties are having their results falsely reported by the IDP?” one group tweeted, giving voice to the suspicions shared by many. Nor did Perez’s call for a recanvass pacify the angry mob. Instead, it merely sparked calls for him to resign. The establishment stalwart has been in the crosshairs of the party’s progressive wing since last week’s announcement that the 2020 convention would be packed to the brim with corporate lobbyists. They would include Clinton and Obama administration alumni, and former Clinton campaign director John Podesta himself – whose hacked emails, along with those of the DNC itself, revealed the extent of the primary-rigging scheme against Sanders in 2016. Monday’s caucus was marred almost immediately by a glitch in the app precincts were supposed to use to report vote totals. When the nature of the glitch became public – vote totals input one way came out differently – angry voters began looking into how and why the Iowa Democrats had used an untested app built by supposedly well-meaning but technologically-inept former Clinton staffers (at a company absurdly called Shadow). Warnings the app didn’t work had been ignored for over a week. The Buttigieg campaign had donated $40,000 to Shadow, whose app seemed to be handing him first place in spite of polls, and Shadow’s parent company Acronym’s founder Tara McGowan was married to a Buttigieg staffer herself. Despite MSM attempts to blame Trump supporters for flooding the hotline set up to report caucus vote totals in the event of a software malfunction, CNN caught line operators deliberately hanging up on precinct supervisors, indicating the problem went far beyond a simple software glitch. Acronym has now been traced to another notorious figure in Democratic election-meddling circles. Reid Hoffman, the billionaire LinkedIn founder who bankrolled the Shadow-like New Knowledge’s rigging of the 2017 Alabama Senate race using fake “Russian bots” and social media disinformation campaigns, also provided the seed money for Acronym. CEO McGowan personally credited Hoffman for setting her up with the startup capital for her company, which in addition to Shadow runs fake news pages on Facebook remarkably similar to some of New Knowledge’s Alabama propaganda. Acronym also gave rise to a lucrative political action committee that has sucked up millions of dollars in donations from hardline right-wing Jewish lobbyists, including Times of Israel founder Seth Klarman, who somehow came around from backing Trump and neocon Florida Senator Marco Rubio to embracing Buttigieg and a handful of other centrist Democrats. Klarman financed the Israel Project, which until it closed last year operated fake news pages on Facebook exactly like those run by New Knowledge and Shadow. A pattern appears to be emerging here… Nor do Acronym’s ambitions end with the 2020 election. Shadow alone is involved in building a system called Lightrail, which will reportedly “help” the Democratic Party centralize its data – and hand the dodgy firm the levers of power within the party. Sanders, meanwhile, appears to have decided not to wait for the recanvass, claiming victory with a 6,000-vote margin over Buttigieg, though he acknowledged that there was still mathematical correction to be done. IP: Logged | |