posted August 05, 2019 07:47 PM            

Hes unfit for office, and hes worthy of hatred, although hatred never solves anything.

posted August 05, 2019 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Right. Either Warren and Trump are both responsible or neither are reaponsible. Only the dishonest will accuse one but not the other.

I wont outright dismiss the getting laid theory - history and plain common sense support it. But is it perhaps more than this? Purpose, social cohesion, some measure of traditional spirituality/religious practice, family centered communities, etc ...

Nihilism and consumerism aren't working. Can we acknowledge this? Further, can we admit that both the "right" and the "left" have brought us here?

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i think getting laid would help them honestly in the sense that a lot of them are lonely and lack any kind of self worth and confidence, so these views and these shootings and essentially martyring themselves for their cause gives them purpose

it's definitely related to nihilistic attitudes in society, because it's people who feel like their lives have no meaning who are committing these crimes

they're isolated and they're angry at the state of the world around them looking for scapegoats for conditions that are created by both the left and right, and of course they're going to find them they create them

the reality is a good deal of people are isolated from each other and real one on one contact too, which is adding to it

there's so many different social issues that are creating the problem that it's not as simple as just blaming one person or one thing and taking away guns isn't going to fix the nihilism and isolation these people are experiencing

and these are people who will go out and make their own weapons, these are people who share information on all kinds of **** like that and will spend hours researching, planning, writing manifestos etc to create that

and it's a left and right issue because there's shooters on both sides now, and of course there are because division has been pushed through media and the political system here for a long ******* time

if you look back on news reports from years ago that underlying idea of civil war was being pushed here and there just starting out with just a sentence here and there until it creates a larger effect

it's no different than the ideas behind the occult manifestation of will, you put something out there with intent and at first it's small just to create a ripple and as it goes it picks up steam and becomes something else (butterfly effect essentially)

the ideas were put out there subtly at first and given time to build and manifest and now people are starting to act on it

to not acknowledge the fault of both parties, the media, the federal government overall makes no sense because all of that aids in the creation of the culture and society we have right now where this sort of thing is thriving

and it's not just the people committing these acts at all but the environment that's creating them because in other circumstances with less isolation, less hopelessness etc these same people might not have gotten to that place

it's likely to escalate though, if i had to bet money on it i'd definitely say this will get worse

and it's sort of interesting isn't it, how easily acts of civil war will make it for the government to start taking away our constitutional rights

posted August 05, 2019 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
I love how "hating" president trump is thrown around as the ultimate problem, like the worst thing one could do.

Hes unfit for office, and hes worthy of hatred, although hatred never solves anything.

Hes not a friggin messiah hes an unhinged narcissist. Find someone else to worship.

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the hate for him doesn't belong in a thread about an anti-trump elizabeth warren supporting extreme leftist shooter

if you want to complain about trump and how you think he incited a shooting you can argue that point in the el paso thread

i think you'd be wrong because racial tensions have gone on far longer than he's been in office and have only been building more and more and immigration on the level it's at has been an increasing issue for americans well before him

but let's suspend that reality and pretend you can point fingers at him, this still isn't the place to do it

posted August 05, 2019 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
I blame pochahontas for everything

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posted August 05, 2019 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
How about appropriate background checks and evaluations. Ie the same governemnt red tape thatse required to get a car, etc

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posted August 05, 2019 11:12 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Jwhop, please tell me you're not on board with the red flag bs. Please tell me you wont fall for this.

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Ok, if you insist. I'm not on board with the red flag bs.

posted August 05, 2019 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Of course, everything posted on Facebook must be believed.

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posted August 05, 2019 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
personally i feel like i could probably thrive in some sort of road warrior-esque dystopian hell like libya (but in america because i'm way too pale to be in libya)

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Mad Max, maybe?

posted August 05, 2019 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Raise your hand if you miss mental asylums! ✋

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They still exist in my state. What kind of universe do you all live in?

posted August 06, 2019 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Mad Max, maybe?

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posted August 06, 2019 03:41 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
They still exist in my state. What kind of universe do you all live in?

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yk what exists in my state? Deinstitutionalisation. It exists in your state too. In 1950, half a million patients were in long term psychiatric hospitals. How many now?

posted August 06, 2019 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i think getting laid would help them honestly in the sense that a lot of them are lonely and lack any kind of self worth and confidence, so these views and these shootings and essentially martyring themselves for their cause gives them purpose

it's definitely related to nihilistic attitudes in society, because it's people who feel like their lives have no meaning who are committing these crimes

they're isolated and they're angry at the state of the world around them looking for scapegoats for conditions that are created by both the left and right, and of course they're going to find them they create them

the reality is a good deal of people are isolated from each other and real one on one contact too, which is adding to it

there's so many different social issues that are creating the problem that it's not as simple as just blaming one person or one thing and taking away guns isn't going to fix the nihilism and isolation these people are experiencing

and these are people who will go out and make their own weapons, these are people who share information on all kinds of **** like that and will spend hours researching, planning, writing manifestos etc to create that

and it's a left and right issue because there's shooters on both sides now, and of course there are because division has been pushed through media and the political system here for a long ******* time

if you look back on news reports from years ago that underlying idea of civil war was being pushed here and there just starting out with just a sentence here and there until it creates a larger effect

it's no different than the ideas behind the occult manifestation of will, you put something out there with intent and at first it's small just to create a ripple and as it goes it picks up steam and becomes something else (butterfly effect essentially)

the ideas were put out there subtly at first and given time to build and manifest and now people are starting to act on it

to not acknowledge the fault of both parties, the media, the federal government overall makes no sense because all of that aids in the creation of the culture and society we have right now where this sort of thing is thriving

and it's not just the people committing these acts at all but the environment that's creating them because in other circumstances with less isolation, less hopelessness etc these same people might not have gotten to that place

it's likely to escalate though, if i had to bet money on it i'd definitely say this will get worse

and it's sort of interesting isn't it, how easily acts of civil war will make it for the government to start taking away our constitutional rights

2nd amendment, 1st amendment, 4th amendment likely in that order will be the first to go

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Yes on that order.

It will escalate for sure. Even here, in this little bubble, within multiple threads we have endless handwringing over what to do about guns but only you and I are touching on the root cause of our problem. No one with the power to do so will be fixing this on a mass scale. Individually, most of us are too lazy or too invested in our politics to fix things for ourselves.

Currently, the ****** off, disaffected, and mentally disturbed aren't (sincere apology for pun) shooting straight. We can argue over which extremist ideology is pushing people over the edge all day but these shooters arent near as political as they (we) like to think they are. They're unfocused, theyre accomplishing nothing but a further loss of liberty. Eventually, someone willing and able to will begin hitting legitimate targets. That is another class of people altogether. Getting laid alone wont solve that problem. I'm not convinced it should be solved.

posted August 06, 2019 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Ok, if you insist. I'm not on board with the red flag bs.

Now, how about you tell me about your solution to nut jobs possessing firearms.

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Well thank the good lord. Its 4 am and now I can finally sleep.

I will be genuinely sad the day you go full on Vichy

posted August 06, 2019 10:35 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:

Yes on that order.

It will escalate for sure. Even here, in this little bubble, within multiple threads we have endless handwringing over what to do about guns but only you and I are touching on the root cause of our problem. No one with the power to do so will be fixing this on a mass scale. Individually, most of us are too lazy or too invested in our politics to fix things for ourselves.

Currently, the ****** off, disaffected, and mentally disturbed, aren't (sincere apology for pun) shooting straight. We can argue over which extremist ideology is pushing people over the edge all day but theae shooters are near as political as they (we) like to think they are. They're unfocused, theyre accomplishing nothing but a further loss of liberty. Eventually, someone willing and able to will begin hitting legitimate targets. That is another class of people altogether. Getting laid alone wont solve that problem. I'm not convinced it should be solved.

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agreed, if they were more concerned with their politics they would be picking better targets and be more coordinated

they're essentially just flailing and taking people out with them while they do it because they have no idea what they're actually doing

it's cries for attention and in a twisted way (given that these shooters rarely survive and know that going in) cries for help too

not quite help for themselves, but help for how many people are being swallowed up by everything going on in the world around them and getting lost in the process

as things escalate though (and they will) i think you're right and people who actually are less desperate and more strategic will start to come out of the cracks

my ex fiancee and i used to argue about this often because i told her all of the attacks present day weren't impressive when you look at them from the standpoint of a revolution or even a civil war, and that even the "organized" groups aren't really doing much of anything of value or notice on a larger scale that would affect anything

i told her they were essentially cannon fodder at best and that maybe when things start to get bad a handful of the participants might change in ways where they can be of "value" to their cause or even a cause

she told me i was an ******* and that they were actually doing more than they were (getting some attention, light ineffectual displays of civil unrest) but she's also a communist who told me people like me would need to be killed "after the revolution" so that's where her head was

but i agree with you, the actual attacks are coming, but only after the current wave of desperation shootings escalate and the government begins to crack down on innocent citizens

that's going to draw an entirely new sort of people out who have been waiting for the climate these people will inevitably create

and i agree those people aren't going to be in it because of loneliness or anything like that, they're going to be the people who have strong convictions and were paying attention, they'll be the ones who go for actual targets and employ real strategies

i think the problem won't be solved before it hits a tipping point and then runs on sheer momentum

personally i'm all for just sitting back and watching it hit that point because solving the issue will crush all potential for actual change

but in a thread where we're supposed to be discussing ways to solve the problem then it's clearly dealing with the social issues and isolation these shooters are dealing with because they're not the real thing yet

posted August 06, 2019 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Ofc I wouldn't vouch for the aunthwnticity of this. But interesting nontheless.

I dont mean to malign the under 25 group exclusively (though I will malign their rootless Godless self indulgent lifestyle) after all, the Antifa Tacoma terrorist was an elderly man. The issues we have cross age and race barriers. But the case could be made that the young are more symptomatic.
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i can't really fault anyone for a self indulgent lifestyle personally, i spent a good chunk of my life partying and using drugs heavily etc all kinds of **** (also have done the polyamory thing like what's mentioned in this article though i've done it differently too sharing the other third person etc)

not godless technically though, but for me it's been occult (not initially by choice, life circumstance has sort of forced my hand there) rather than abrahamic faiths (which i actually believe instill complacent values in people and i find that negative, though as a whole where the the common points with other spiritual texts lie i find value because then you're essentially getting all the same **** )

there's a surprising amount of younger people however who aren't at all self indulgent and are radicalized against that sort of thing clinging to the faiths they were raised with because they feel helpless otherwise

they generally have heavily fascist views so there's a pretty deep division there and on both sides there's that tendency towards idolizing mass shooters and whatnot

i think it's a bit of a "root for the underdog" kind of mentality in all honesty, they identify with the shooters (on either side) because of their own hopelessness and see that as a way to gain fame and power and make a mark

the morality,spirituality, and lifestyle might color which way they lean as far as their views go but the end result is the same ultimately

posted August 06, 2019 01:41 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
yk what exists in my state? Deinstitutionalisation. It exists in your state too. In 1950, half a million patients were in long term psychiatric hospitals. How many now?

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